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AvtomatKalashnikova
09-18-2002, 02:57 PM
Just minutes ago the UPS guy surprised me at the door, and that's not the only surprise! FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, an item via UPS survived to here completely intact, not only that, no bending, tearing, or anything! The long package looks like in its pre-ship condition. Credit to SOG actually, they used a nice new heavy cardboard box to ship it. It was also well packed, there's newpaper stuffing both ends, the Mauser sat tightly inside, probably didnt' even touch the box's sides on the way.

But started I pulling it out, I was so disappointed at first! WHERE'S THE FRICKING BOLT?!?!?! The stock is abit cracked near the receiver, extending from the stock bolt screw. But there's no bolt! I pulled it complete out, and it looks okay, then at long last I saw the newspaper stuffing wrapped around the muzzle. I felt inside..hmm, heavy stuff, must be metal...I then hastily unwrapped it.....it's a bolt! Whew! :p

Okay let's grade:
Wood is in one piece, nothing falling off. There's little finish left, whatever it was on before. It looks very dry, abit splotchy in places, but I do not see any scratches, dents or gouges. In fact its in better "surface" condition than the $99 Yugo SKS I got from Century. The stock is suppose to have "repariable" cracks, and SOG got it right this time. There are about 3 visible cracks. 1 running from left stock bolt toward upper edge, about 3" long. There's a slight gap, but no wood is missing thanfully. I could probably glue it back with something securing the 2 sides. This one will take some work to make it look decent. There are 2 cracks running from right side stock bolt horizontally toward the back, 2.5" and 4" repectively. These are smaller hairline type cracks, should be a cinch to fix. There is also a very small crack from the front handguard running just about 1" long. It's not from any stress points so it must have been a natural crack...easy fix again. Overall I am very pleased with the wood, it'd say other than the 1 bigger crack, it's in G or even VG conditin, definitely better than I had expected all in all.

Metal is pretty okay, probably 30% bluing at best. There's little finish on the barrel or receiver body, or magazine bottom. Overall the the surface is in good shape, no scratches denting, etc, also no visible rusting that I can see. The stock cap is abit rough with some metal scratches. Those aren't major, just messy, like someone rubbed 60grid sandpaper on the metal. Rifling is very strong, I'm actually surprised the bore appears quite bright, may even get better once I clean it thoroughly. This particular T38 Mauser was made in 1945 judging by stamping, below the Turkish Crescent. Serial is 201XXX, but bolt doesn't match serial. Speaking of the bolt, it's in better condition than the receiver metal. It's quite shiney, no scraches, but with a few surface rust spots. Those may have developed when rain drops got on it long ago. It came with a cleaning rod, slightly bend, nothing too bad, with little bluing left. There's no other accessories, I would've like to have ordered the T38 bayo, but SOG ran out of those at the time.

This is my first Mauser so I have no idea if I'm missing any parts, but it looks like everything's there. I haven't tried to put the bolt in yet, I would like to finish reading the bolt disassebly guide posted in Mauser/Turkish Forum (thanks, Shuetzenman and Redstar! :)) One quick question, I can't see firing pin sticking out of the bolt face, but there appears to be a metal rod inside the bolt, is it suppose to be recessed in this state? There appears to be a little protrusion sticking out end of the bolt, just like PolyTech AK springloaded firingpin/bolt end, but I can't push it forward with my finger. Either there's a very heavy spring, in the retraced position, or it's stuck in there good.

All in all, I am very happy with this one. For $27.95 + $8 shipping + $0.50 CC charge, this is a bargain if you dont' already have a Turkish Mauser. I just wish I had gotten a bayo for it! Ugh! When I ordered, I made sure to tell the SOG lady that I wanted a "complete" and "repairable" T38 like their ads said! And that's exactly what I got! Unlike the Century "U-Fix-em" deals, I think there's a very good chance you get one in fixable and complete conditions! In fact I was hoping for more cracks as I enjoyed fixing my Yugo SKS cracks so much! :D As you know I don't have a digital cam, but I'll try to take an image with scanner later today. Just like the $88 Romanian SKS, I dont' think there are many left. When I ordered SOG said they're running low, they already ran out of the original $27.95 Grade 3 craked ones, and bumped these Grade 2 cracked down to that price. Now don't you all run to the phone at once, but I would seriously consider getting one if you don't already have one, or don't have the skills/parts to take on a U-Fix-Em.

GOOD CONDITION - with small, repairable crack stocks
ORDER #SLG-T38G2 $27.95 Each
http://www.southernohiogun.com/images/slg-t38sm.jpg

CETME
09-18-2002, 03:01 PM
http://www.shooterstore.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=111&CATID=600&ObjectGroup_ID=1946

click on that link. JGSALES has new stocks for the 38 Turk. Might be a sweet investment to top that rifle off. Not a bad price either!

Guinny_Ire
09-18-2002, 03:18 PM
LOL. Legally, you're not allowed to ship a gun with a bolt assembled to the weapon. SOG does remove them where I've received them from both AIM and Century locked in. Good to hear might order one come Friday at 10:01am

Schuetzenman
09-18-2002, 03:23 PM
The firing pin won't stick out unless the cockin piece is not retracted. They cock on opening so you won't see the firing pin sticking out if you remove the bolt. You want to know if it has a firing pin in it that still works do this. Drop a platic stick pen down the barrel back end first with the cap removed. With the bolt already cocked by the way. Tip up rifle, hear pen land on bolt face. Pull trigger. Pen shoots out of barrel, your firing pin is ok. Pen just lays there and does not move, your firing pin is broken off. Mucho easy!

AvtomatKalashnikova
09-18-2002, 03:28 PM
thanks Don, appreciate the insight. is dry firing a T38 mauser okay thing to do?

Schuetzenman
09-18-2002, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by AvtomatKalashnikova
thanks Don, appreciate the insight. is dry firing a T38 mauser okay thing to do?

Well with the pen in there there is something to absorb the firing pin energy a bit. Dry firing is ok if done once in a while. Don't make a steady habit of it or you may see your fining pin tip go zipping out and ping off the wall.

If you want to dry fire, keep a spent case to put in the chamber or get a snap cap dummy bullet. Brownell's has these.

NC_Rebel
09-18-2002, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Schuetzenman
The firing pin won't stick out unless the cockin piece is not retracted. They cock on opening so you won't see the firing pin sticking out if you remove the bolt. Yeah here is the distinctly inferior cock-on-opening design of the Mauser, clearly defined. SUPERIOR, real manly rifles cock when closing the bolt. Muahahaha!! ;)

Pretty neat score, Avtomat. Congrats! And once you repair the stock, let's see some pics. :cool:

Ezra Coli
09-18-2002, 06:36 PM
Congrats~!

Turks sometimes have headspace issues, so you might want to check that out before firing. Sounds like a great bargain, and Turks are fun to shoot!

Cheers!

dewing
09-18-2002, 06:47 PM
Glad to hear you got a good one. I ordered two on Monday, should get them next week. I'll report on mine once they are in my grubby little hands! :D

Dew

survivor99
09-19-2002, 06:53 AM
AvtomatKalashnikova,

Sounds like you got a nice rifle. I love these Turks. I have a 1903 and a 1938 Turk. Good, solid rifles with great prices too. You just can't beat that.

survivor99

neilwest
09-19-2002, 06:56 AM
1. Good purchase, Congrats.:D

AvtomatKalashnikova
09-19-2002, 12:58 PM
Thanks for all the compliments my friends. I wiped her down with acetone today, then cleaned with alcohol to remove some surface dirt. I plan to strip the stock this weekend and maybe work on the bluing with Oxyphoblue. After cleaning the metal bluing looks pretty good, abit faint but intact in a lot of places. I also found that all numbers match, except for the bolt. Here are some pictures I took with my scanner.

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/avtomatkalash/83_p4115.jpg
Here's the bolt that I thought was missing. It's already very shiny after cleaning up. I will remove the surface rust spots with Flix and some steel wool. Dremel brush is also very useful in bringing back the luster.

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/avtomatkalash/83_p4117.jpg
This is the left side of the receiver/stock. As you can see it's one big crack with some gap. I also discovered a very faint crack below that, about 4" long, but it's a "hairline" fracture, I can probably get by using a dab of wood glue.

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/avtomatkalash/83_p4118.jpg
This is a shot of the right side. There are 2 cracks, both pretty long but not as bad as the left one. These should be easy fixes. I think the key will be reinforcing that area as the cross bolt will be understress during firing, it could cause further cracking, or fracturing the area surrounding "old wounds".

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/avtomatkalash/83_p4112.jpg
And finally here is a full view of my M1938 Turkish Mauser 8mm, brought to you by the magic of Photoshop. I stitched together 5 scans to show the T38 in all her glory. Who needs a digital camera? :D There's pretty good wood grain showing, it would be even better with some TLC. I found an extra crack under the "hole" (whatever that is) in the stock. It's about 1" long, but it shouldn't affect function. In the picture there appears to be a large dent near that hole as well, but it's actually just wood grain. Overall she really doesn't look bad at all. :)

smittylite
09-19-2002, 01:10 PM
Looks great, congrats on a good purchase. Check the headspace before shooting though.

Guinny_Ire
09-19-2002, 01:12 PM
She's not pretty but she's my kind of not pretty! Look forward to seeing your cleaned up version.

AvtomatKalashnikova
09-20-2002, 10:58 AM
She's my turkish beauty....behind a veil. :D

I forgot to scan the markings...here it is. It's made in 1945.....that 5 is almost like an afterthought, I wonder if they're all like this. Does anyone have any ideas what "T C", "AS FA", or "K. Kale" mean?

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/avtomatkalash/83_p4133.jpg

survivor99
09-20-2002, 11:22 AM
AvtomatKalashnikova,

Those are the same markings I have on my T38 Turk, except that mine was made in 1943. My 1903 Turk was made in 1932 and does not have the "K. Kale" marking on it. I believe this is an arsenal stamp.

She's your Turkish beauty? Several of the guys have a complete HAREM of dark and lusty Turkish ladies..... LOL

survivor99

zouavexx
09-20-2002, 12:30 PM
Looks good AvtomatKalashnikova! :)

I don't have a harem, but here are my Turks...

http://album.gunsnet.net/data/zouave/49_p162.jpg

lpspinner
09-20-2002, 12:38 PM
AvtomatKalashnikova,

They look like keepers all right. They also look like they'll provide you with a few hours of quality time and fun to restore. That is about the only thing I like about SOG.



Zouave,

Only 3? Neilwest has more then that. ;)

And so do I :D

zouavexx
09-20-2002, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by lpspinner
Zouave,

Only 3? Neilwest has more then that. ;)

And so do I :D


LOL! :D

I am not getting involved in an arms race with you guys! :p