Revolution in the US--what would happen?

[General Ourumov]

Say the government suddenly annouces that it will confiscate all privately owned guns in the US. Something similar to Kosovo, where armed troops and APCs and tanks go door to door to search for weapons. How do you think people would react? Do you think most would just surrender their guns or most would fight? If they do fight, what kind of fighting would you expect--lone snipers with hunting rifles, or everyone would get together and carry out huge gunfights?

[56s]

Great topic but first, where would the US goverment get the number of troops to carry out such a mission?

I don't beleive that it will happen that way.

Take care, OUT

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56s

[BIGWINR69]

IF OUR AMERICAN TROOPS WON'T FIGHT ...THEN GUESS WHAT IT BECOMES A STATE INBALANCE AND THEN THE PRESIDENT WOULD CALL ON ANOTHER GROUP THAT WILL HAVE NO EMOTIONAL WEIGHT ON DOING ANYTHING AND THAT IS NATO!

[JeepBear]

Why just NATO? It's not like we don't already have UN troops doing 'training excercises' on US soil.
Besides, I think McSniper is right. The American populous is too heavily armed for them to use force. If it does happen, it will be many years, dozens of laws and hundereds of Buy Back programs from now.

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---JeepBear Out---
This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they
shall grow weary of the existing government,they can exercise their constitutional right
of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.
Abraham Lincoln - 1st Inaugural Address, 4 March 1861

[Packrat]

56s, they wouldn't need a lot of troops, because they would hit one area at a time. There would be a softening up period in which the sheeple were warned about the "terrorists" who were stockpiling guns and ammo for domestic terrorism. Then there would be a series of raids on individuals known to have stockpiles, which would be publicized to show the danger really exists. Anyone resisting would have their own mini-Waco, with no attempt to talk them out. They would be killed as extremists who were a danger to the people (and the children). After the known stockpiles were cleaned up this way, the house-to-house search would start in limited areas.
They might also be searching for drugs, and only collecting guns incidentally. It is a well-known fact that anyone with more than 3 guns, and "assault weapons", or more than a box of ammo for each gun is a dangerous person and the guns must be taken until the person can prove that he is not a danger. Of course, the guns will be confiscated, regardless of the danger of the person.

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Packrat

[Reds]

Why fight? Right now Federal law enforcement's knowledge of what guns you have is pretty limited. Toss em a few & keep the rest stashed. What everyone needs to think about is what they know and what they don't. For instance If they are monitoring and archiving sites like this one they may knock on my door expecting an AK. But how many? One? Ten? What we are seeing now and what everyone needs to pay attention to is the massive increases in cataloging of information on sales, registrations, etc. Hell my local gunshop now even has to record the sale of a tin of black powder. Don't give up any information you don't have to and be aware of that you already have provided. BTW if any of us had a real fear of this scenario happening anytime soon would we even be posting here?

[Necron99]

The more realistic scenario is Amerika will become increasingly lawless as the government tries to squeeze the turnip dry with more overregulation, taxes, and burdensome laws. A gun grab or mandatory nationwide registration program would just excelerate the process, no big revolution would happen though. We are currently in the Pax Romana stage (post cold war) of Amerika's history. Once the giant real estate and stock market bubble collapses and government revenues fall, which will lead to massive increases in the deficit, increases in taxes on the productive elements of society that haven't bought off the politicians, then sh*t will start happening. The dollar will get demolished, when the foreigners who hold so many of them want to cash them in for real goods and services. Massive trade deficits and loose monetary policy can only last for so long, even when your currency is the reserve currency of the world. We will have two increasingly distinct classes of citizens those who work within the system (corporate wage slaves, government employees and milkers of the ailing "social safety net"), and those that ignore most of the laws and work to one degree or another in the shadow economy. There will be small secessionist movements and other independence movements and an increase in organized crime and government corruption. It's already started. I would look at recent Ireland under British rule for a model of what the USA will be like. We might also get a nationalistic China that kicks everyone's @ss in Asia and seizes all those multinational corporate assets that have been setup to take advantage of Asia's dirt cheap labor pool. Boy that would piss off some CEO's and stockholders. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif

[dissident1776]

I don't know what would happen, but I can just say I'd die killing as many communist as possible. That's all I know.



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* "Congress has taxed income, NOT COMPENSATION." Conner v. US 303 F
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* "... one does not derive income by rendering services and charging
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* "The income tax: is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an
excise tax ..." House Congressional Record, 3-27-43, page 2580.

* "...our nation's voluntary tax system." Report by the Comptroller
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* "Let me point this out now. This is where the structure of the income
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100% voluntary and your liquor tax is a 100% enforced tax. Now the
situation is as different as night and day. consequently, your same
rules simply will not apply." February 3, 1953, page 13, Congressional
Record, Dwight E. Avis, Director of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms,
Investigation of the Internal Revenue Service and It's laws, House,
Ways & Means Committee

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nor of the object of the revenue laws." Economy Plumbing and Heating v.
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819.

* "the right to receive earnings is a right belonging to every person,
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337 S.W.2d 453, 456 (Tenn. 1960).

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* "It's (the income tax) a voluntary system." March 5, 1997, USA
Today, United States Senator Bob Kerry

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* "Our system of taxation is based upon voluntary assessment and
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[Jayreb1]

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