Innocents killed in Ft. Worth massacre.

[sumo]

Here we go again. I was just telling my wife a few weeks ago that it's been quiet since Columbine, so I was expecting something to happen real soon. She looked at my crazy until I explained to her the pattern of shootings in Britian and similar circumstances in Australia. I believe certain tactics are in play and since American Patriots are the stubborn bunch in the world collective that extreme measures by our gun control government wasn't out of the question. I've heard of some mind control stuff on the net that peaks my interest. I wonder how it seems that the recent attackers had suseptabilities that could have been subject to certain mind control influences. Is this hypothesis nuts or what? If my memory serves me correctly, Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto suggested that to implement your will concerning a certain idea, cause a problem, aggravate the circumstances and then offer a solution. With your devices in control of course. Is mind control part of the NWO plan? If Karl Marx only new how much he is living through this world.

[Destroyer]

I've heard that most of these people (the killers) had in their possession Satanic literature... Don't know if it's true but if it is... Well that's pretty interesting...

[RRK]

There's no doubt were holding up the one worlder's plans by not wanting to give our
weapons.

[Necron99]

You'll also notice that many of the people involved in mass shootings are on Prozac or a similiar drug, I'd say the figure is somewhere around 80% of the ones I've payed attention to. They give this stuff out like candy. I know a couple people that have been on this stuff and have said they experienced intense feelings of paranoia and hatred while under the influence of this drug. These feelings left when they stopped taking the drug. No one really knows how these drugs affect different people, more research should have been done before these drugs were allowed on the market (or maybe there was research results that we are not aware of but someone else knows about?). The CIA also did experiments in the 50's and 60's with hypnosis combined with psychotropic and psychodelic drugs. One of their goals was to create an assassin that wouldn't remember the suggestion that they were to carry out. They succeeded, the Manchurian Candidate is based on this CIA program. If anyone is interested in the subject of government manipulation I can recommend an excellent book that is very thorough and objective, it doesn't go off on wild unfounded speculations but sticks to reasonable conclusions from hard evidence and eyewitness testimony. The book is "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics Of Terror" it is written by David Hoffman with a foreword by Oklahoma Representative Charles Key. It was published by Feral House, copyright 1998.

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[Drake]

I know the politicians will see this shooting as another reason to take guns away from its citizens. I see it as a reason for citizens to carry guns. Even though church may seem as an inapropriate place to have a weapon if someone had been armed they could of saved some lives.

[wayne]

Has anyone noticed the articles on this guy?
All of his neighbors were afraid of him. They did not want to complain about him to authorities fearing reprisals.What does that tell you about those people.

[WAREAGLE]

Well, I'm a clinical psychology grad student and a Christian (seems like an Oxymoron doesn' it http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/smile.gif). Destroyer is on to the REAL issue. When you fool around with stuff that's beyond human knowledge and control, things get out of hand. But to keep from turning this into a religious debate....

From what I've seen on the news, this guy was psychotic. I don't have my degree yet and even if I did I couldn't make a post humous diagnosis without knowing more, but from the way they talked (i.e. he talked to himself in the presence of others, his toilet was filled with concrete, he was a "loner", and his father and sole support had recently died) he was probably on the fringe to begin with and his father's death brought on an eventual psychotic break. No ammount of gun control in the world is going to be able to predict and control someone with psychosis.

As far as prozac, paxil, zoloft, luvox (the drug Eric Harris, the Columbine killer was on), or any of the other anti-depressants go, they have NOTHING to do with what happened. The fact that most of these guys were on psychotropic medication at the time of the rampage just tells us they were having mental problems to BEGIN with, BEFORE the medication. This stuff is not like taking aspirin for a headache (take it, the problem goes away), it's more for symptom relief so that the person can get straigtened out. Admittedly, they have different side effects for different people but so do every other drug on the market. Taking psychotropic medication causes one to be crazy like taking weight loss drugs causes one to be fat!

[56s]

PRE-EXISTING CONDITION!

Thank-you WAREAGLE!

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[sumo]

Drake's right. If someone had a gun, fewer people would be dead.

Almost without exception, every gun store I've ever been in had employees and owners who packed open and concealed. I wonder if anyone ever thought to rob or rampage these places?

Just food for thought...

[Destroyer]

Actually, Sumo, people have treid to rob gunshops in our very own state! They did, of course, end up very dead. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/wink.gif

[Billrube]

My dad was stationed at Dugway proving ground in Utah...40 odd years ago. He was a medical assistant and witnessed many Gov'mt experiments with hypnotism. I always thought hypnotism was a load of crap and told him so. He it was real. He went on to tell me that he had seen it done so much he could put somebody under himself..which he said he did ONCE. His exact words were "what happened afterward scared me so bad I never done it again."
He never would tell what the exact nature of the experiments were. He took that to his grave with him.
Conspiracy? Possible? What are we to believe?
I don't know about a conspiracy,(it wouldn't surprise me-just ask JFK) but I do know that our rights as citizens are going down the tubes at the speed of sound. If we allow our 2nd Amend. Rights to be taken away, then Freedom of religion and free speech will be right behind...
just my 2 cents.

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[sumo]

LOL

Redefining the word "stupid".

[celticjedi]

Over here in the Kali, in San Jose we had a guy who did not try to rob a gun store, but sadly he decided to try and rob a gun range. Thats all i have to say.

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[Destroyer]

They aught to bestow him with the "Darwin Award"!

[Packrat]

Near Gainesville (Micanopy) in Florida there was (is) a gun store. In the years I've been here, the store has been robbed at least twice, maybe more. The last time there were 5 robbers against the owner, who must be in his 70's. The press tried to villify him by pointing out that one of the robbers he shot was helpless -- he had both arms full of guns. (He killed one, wounded two of the five, as I remember. The cops, who buy from him a lot anyway, refuse to arrest him. They say that trying to rob Harry is committing suicide.) He's still running the store.

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[sumo]

Harry's a helluva guy!

There's one punk who won't bother anyone anymore, and four more who'll think twice about 1) robbing a store, 2) robbing a gun store, and 3) robbing a gun store run by Harry.

Don't tread on me.

[S. Brady]

Florida can be a good State. With the influx of people from the North, there are now many problems with what is now known as Constitutional Terrorists. This is were the courts force one, or attempt to force one, to remove or turn over their firearms, even though they have not commited a crime. They will even go so far as to use HRS which is = to child abuse in this state. I am starting a webpage to address these issues. Please email me with any info you have on such matters.

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Give me Liberty or give me Death !!