A call to arms...

[sumo]

Brothers, it’s time to take action. Unfortunately, most of us have relied on politicians, gun clubs and the NRA to be our voice. And that level of debate is fine, but what we have to do is interact with fellow citizens at our level instead leaving them to form their opinions based on what the "higher-ups" of both sides have to say.

Most people these days are confused about current issues. Rightfully, they have a general distrust about what big business and big government will tell them. Especially about gun control. What influences most people are nothing more than political propaganda machines.

I am the benefactor of several converts, both men and women, and more are on the way. Call me a fanatic. I read the paper every morning and with all the bad news, I constantly rant, tactfully of course, of today’s woes. These issues lead through business, government, and the world and always ends at our Constitutional responsibilities and our only deterrent, guns.

Most opinions against guns are very shallow and easy to turn around. Let’s face facts, we need guns to protect ourselves. This is easy to convey in hundreds of situations. And invariably, most people see the logic in the need, if you’ll only take the time to talk.

The next step in the process is overcoming their apprehension about guns. This is simply the fear of the unknown. We’ve all had butterflies when we took our first shot. People need a strong and capable tutor to build a respect and appreciation for guns to overcome their fears and biases.

At this point, let them handle a weapon. Take them through the basics and then take them to the range. Even if you have to pick them up and pay for it. I’ve helped others overcome their ambivalence about firearms and have built more meaningful relationships this way.

It’s more than our right and heritage. It’s our responsibility. As I will never disavow the blood of Jesus Christ, so to will I not the blood of our forefathers.

Take action, Brothers. This is still OUR America.

[Floyd]

Sumo,

I agree with your statement- "Unfortunately, most of us have relied on politicians, gun clubs and the NRA to be our voice." Though it's commendable to join the NRA, if you're not writing/calling/emailing/faxing your Congresspersons, you're only attacking the problem from one side. I would also suggest writing letters to editors whenever the opportunity arises. If your paper runs an anti-gun article or editorial, reference it in your rebuttal. I've had my letters published doing this many times. Always keep it polite and stick to facts people can identify with. I may not turn someone into a gun nut, but at least they'll be more sympathetic to our cause.

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[This message has been edited by Floyd (edited September 19, 1999).]

[This message has been edited by Floyd (edited September 19, 1999).]

[sumo]

We're beating a dead horse with this conventional wisdom. Any political effort on the part of gun advocates to further our cause will be overwhelmingly countered by gun control forces, politicians and the media. We can't beat it in the White House, the Congress or on TV. We have to beat it in the community, with people like you and me. We have to influence those in our circle and let the power of numbers at our level solidify the need for firearms.

The inevitable fact is that they are too strong and will eventually ban guns. This is not a fatalist view, this is a realistic one. When the time comes, we have to have as many people on our side as possible.

I would never suggest not writing and calling our elected officials and holding them responsible. I would never suggest not holding rallies for our cause. I will suggest that all it will do in the end is to prolong, and only for a short time, the end of our 2nd amendment right. And when that happens, I don't want wishy-washy, media-influenced ordinary citizens, who are wondering what to do, watching my back. I want those who I have personally interacted with so I can look them in the eye and say I told you so. NOW, are you ready to take action?

Brothers, this may not be a popular position and I can accept if you disagree, but remember, WTSHTS, agree or disagree, I'll be standing at your side, AK in hand, ready for anything.

[This message has been edited by sumo (edited September 21, 1999).]

[Tekkaman]

Well I cool with this. It's about time we take our United States of America BACK! I would help in the call to arms but I am just a teenager who is knows he wants to some day own a gun(or 50 hay I can dream can't I!). I know I am new posting on this board but I have been reading this board and site and other sites like it for months geting sick of what is happening to my nation. I can not help with this but you have my support. I think it is a little late because this needed to happen years ago before it got this bad. Do what needs to be done.

[David Speight]

Having dealt with politicians I urge you to write, call, fax, e-mail or visit you representatives.
The standard is that they consider every letter, call, etc. to represent 50 constituents that feel the same way, but where not motivated to write, call, etc.
When the number of letter, calls, etc. multiplied by 50 becomes a noticeable percent, they start listening. They want to keep their jobs.
Let them know that any more infringements on our right to bear arms is unacceptable.
Remember, it's the squeeky wheel that gets the oil. We must be as vocal as those who oppose us.

[mrak1289x]

in the bible jesus says "if you don't own a weapon then sell some property and go buy one" the weapon of that day was a sword, the weapon of our day is mr-ak. buy one or two and never let go no matter what. we will soon need one to stop tyranny.

[sumo]

Tekkaman, do you know Destroyer. He's also a student in Gainesville. He's also coming to the meet/shoot I'm organizing in Ocala. They have an AK friendly range. We did a recon last Saturday. Check out the "FL recon" post in regional gatherings.

Many people echo you sentiments. The time for action is approaching. Gather your weapons, both physical and spiritual. The coming battle will require both skills honed to a razor edge.

We don't need to live by the sword but we do need to have one ready at all times.

Touche, mrak1289. I'm right next to you, Brother.

IHN, sumo.

[Viking]

I agree with you, mrak1289. I'm a student so money is always an issue for me. I am always trying to save money, but there are times when a just have to splurge and buy stuff to "get prepared". I buy accessories for my SLR as a comfort: whenever I hear discussions about guns on TV or from enlightened, open-minded students at school (I'm being sarcastic if you can't tell). What I get now will eventually be banned or become prohibitively expensive, so why not? Anyway, I'm new to the board and I just have to say it's great to find people who have the same interests and opinions as me. Believe me, there are only arrogant close-minded "sheep people" at my college.

[celticjedi]

Hey I am another Student/Athleet/Right Wing Ak nut. I know your pain about saving money I am trying to get parts for my jeep, and buy more ammo, plus a second AK, talk about no money at all crap. Hey tek, If your father is a cool guy the he could by the Ak for you and have legal ownership of it but you paid for it, and when you turn 18 or 21 (depending on your state) he can transfer the rifle to you, thats what I did. Also We need a bummper sticker & t-shirts to I dentify our loyalty to "our evil Assualt wepons" Like I saw this round sticker at my work place (HP & Agilent Tech. in Santa Clara, CA) It had a Pink Triangle in the middle with the words "Safe Place" writen in green and really pissed me off, we should have some thing similar with an AK in the middle, "Safe Place" at the top and "Duh" at the bottom or somthing to that efect.

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[WAREAGLE]

Hey there's no law saying someone under 18 can't own a long gun (except maybe in PRK). They just can't buy it. I got my Colt Sporter and 1K of ammo for Christmas when I was a junior in HS.

[Tekkaman]

PRK?

[gopher29]

sumo is absolutely right!

5 months ago I new very little about gun control and its ramifications, and I didn't really care because I had never owned a gun before. But because a friend of mine, just 5 months ago, took me to a shooting range for the first time in my life and introduced me to the finer points of gun safety...Today I own seven guns, including 3 AKs, regularly attend gun shows, and am a member of the NRA. That may not sound like a lot to many of you who have been collecting guns, enjoying the shooting sports, and lobbying politicians for less gun guntrol for many years now, but I think it is a pretty impressive turn around for one day of shooting at a local range.

-gopher

[Viking]

Hey that's a cool idea celticjedi,
I think it would be great to see strangers on the street walking around with some kind of an emblem that id'd them as AK nuts like me. I think the time will soon be up for the intellectual elite that has taken over this country. I meet a few people in school who have the same opinions as me. The only problem we all face is that society has ostracized us. I can't go out and say I own guns because then people look at you like you're a murderer. This has got to change.

This is because society has been brainwashed by the press. Still, my friends and I are in college so--though we don't have any real voice now--we will once we graduate and start working our way up. That is if everything stays "normal" like it is now. If it gets any worse I have my SLR, 15 mags an 1000 rds and my Blackhawk gear at the ready. I only wish I could afford more stuff.

[WAREAGLE]

Tekkaman,
PRK is an accronym for Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. Sarchasm. http://www.ak-47.net/akcgi/wink.gif

[Bryant]

Most people where I go to college think that gun owners are bad in fact the college invited guest speakers to talk against gun ownership. But I am not alone, I had a whole bar one time discussing this and so many people started to see the light-"get rid of guns and you will lose your freedom of speach, the the 2nd amendment protects the first."

[celticjedi]

Some one who can draw, should come up with a T-shirt Idea, also we need little pins and crap like that just like the masons. I have to bitch about something, In PRK we all know the Ak's are bad, so bad that at a Sporting good/Gun Shop I was just at not half an hour ago, is only selling Winchester 7.62x39, one box of 20 costs about $10 and the ammo is crap, of course they are selling the cases of shit for $350.00 for 1000 rounds, Christ I craped a brick and then asked the sales man if the had any good 7.62 and not this crap, and he told me the B.S. about it not being Imported anymore blah, blah, blah, yakety shamkety. So I am never going there agian, of course across town I was able to find some Wolf ammo going for $5 a box of 20 still a little high, but much better than the other asshole. If you live in the Bay Area Email me and I will tell you to avoid this shop.

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[Bryant]

You need to get a copy of shotgun news, you can buy most ammo a case of Russian 1000 rounds for only 105.00. Don't buy anything locally, it's just a waiste of money. Buy direct form those that import and you will save a ton of money. I quit dealing with dealers a long time ago, local dealers are a joke and they are always charging way to much and lying about everything jsut to steal your business. Go through wholesalers and get the real deal.

[David Speight]

Words to live by:

Quoting from Washington's farewell address to his troops: "Government is like fire:
Controlled, it's a boon to the human race. Uncontrolled, it will consume us."

"We the people are the rightful masters of Congress and the courts, not to overthrow
the Constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves.
"Thomas Jefferson"

Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliance with none.
"Thomas Jefferson"

If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we would soon want for
bread. "Thomas Jefferson"

[Tekkaman]

Peace through Power!! Our power!! Of the people!! The time has come to clam this land as our own once agian.

[Juan_Rico]

What we really need to do is to inundate our representatives with both snail and email. This is one way they'll listen. Next, we need to start a grassroot movement to get rid of those politicians who usurp the constitution. If these efforts fail, then we must retake our nation, by force if necesary. I'm willing to use the skills that my nation gave me to defend the constitution; are you?

[Tekkaman]

What I am saying have all the militias and people with guns go to DC and arest the all commie scum.

[Floyd]

Just saw a piece on the History Channel about FDR having trouble implementing his new deal (raw deal) on the American people, because the Supreme Court struck down most of his initiatives as unconstitutional. FDR even tried to limit their terms as justices (it failed), but he eventually beat them into submission. And the rest is history...

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[Jacob]

Theres only one way to stop it now,,,,The snowball is rolling and its a monster,,,,,Force.Thats what they will use,,we will have to do the same.,,Words are tooooo late.,,,It won't be in my lifetime though,but it will come that no Weapons will be allowed to be owned by private citizens.Talk will get you nowhere but in jail,,and thats happening too.Pretty sad people,,if you cuss someone out ,,you will go to jail or be fined,,,makes me sick.We don't like something we make a law against it.Our Grandfathers would raise hel-,and back it up,,we sit on our as--s and watch football,while they are cinching the rope around our freedoms.Keep on snoozing and writting and calling the {as Archie calls it},dingbats in congress.,,,Think about it.They use overkill all the time to do as they please.,,thats my opinion,and a few others I know too,we will have to get together to stop it now,,,,,,,,,,Jacob

[20mount]

Join a constitutional militia! Don't belive the lies about militia's there are 2 kinds, Constitutional and the others. Join a constitutional militia, that is our and your only chance, be prepared. Act now or pay later. One man can't do much but many can.

[dZ]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-10/20/077r-102099-idx.html

in part:

Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran is proposing a wide-ranging package of laws
that would make the state's gun control regulations among the strictest in the nation and
says his ultimate goal is a ban on handguns.

Curran (D), the state's chief lawyer, wants Maryland lawmakers to tighten background
checks on potential gun owners, prohibit people from carrying concealed weapons in
public places and ease liability laws to make it easier to sue gunmakers. He is
considering whether to sue gun manufacturers for the violence caused by their products.

"Our public policy goal must be to rid our communities of handguns," Curran says in a
report he is releasing today outlining his proposals.

[Bryant]

We should start the AK-47.net Militia! We have over a thousand members now but if each of us goes and gets three more people that will be four thousand. Think about it, a national militia and we could use this site to to relay plans or training progress! WHat do you guys say?

[Viking]

I was just thinking how gun rights are being taken away so slowly that most people are reluctant to do anything about it. What got me started was a picture of a California legal ar-15. It had been modified with a really ugly thumbhole to comply with the law. I was also thinking about those people who worry if adding this tiny cosmetic feature or that one will land them in jail.

If someone is worried that that flash hider is illegal while a muzzle brake isn't will they then comply when they say only single-shot rifles are legal? We are all law abiding ciizens here, but when will most people realize it's gone too far? It already has. I obey the law and I would never think of modifying my post-bans for the sole reason that it's not worth the trouble (both the phhysical work of actually modifying it; I like my m.break more than a flash hider for instance, and for the fact that it's not worth the 10 yrs in jail).

I'm worried that many of us will still be obeying the law when they "ask" for registraton and when they impose sillier things as I think has happened in Cali with those ridiculous-looking stocks. I don't see this simply as a fight for gun-rights. It is the whole idea of culture.

I know most of us are more than ready to act. It's only a question of when someone goes too far.

On another note I realized how lucky we are. On BBC internationla news I heard how a "bunker" in the Republic of Ireland and close to N. Ireland border was discovered. Three people were arrested along with seizure of, get this one(1) ak-47, one(1) handgun, and one(1) machine pistol. If this is what qualifies as a bunker in other countires and makes it on the international news then we are set!

[Mister Krinkov]

Although I am new to this site, I find it very cool and on my side of things. I am 14 and also a student like Tekkaman. I have an SKS folder with 30 round mag and am ready to put up a fight if needed for my Second amendment right. I find this nation's ignorance pitifully disturbing.

[sumo]

Welcome to the board, Mister Krinkov.

It's heartening to know young men such as yourself taking up the time-honored tradition of being a real American.

Today, so many young people have lost site of the values that make this country great.

Enjoy the shooting sports and share it with as many as you can.

[Butt Plate]

More power to ya, my good Mr. Krink! ;-)

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