ATTENTION ALL 7.62x54 Dragunov Owners

[AK-fan*]

Here is a heads up
7.62x54r 7N1 "MILITARY" SNIPER Amminition will be available from Akron Armory.
I dont own a dragunov but I thought I would give you guys a heads up.

more info
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11687

[JetJon]

i thought 1N7 was generic "Light Ball" and sniper was 1N74....

are you saying 1N74 will be available? that would be much more than awesome. thats match grade ammo, better than anything i have heard of being made anywhere else, even better than hand loads.

[AK-fan*]

The 7N14 is the updated round for the Dragunov, the 7N1 is older but still designed for the Dragunov. The 7N1 is composed of a 152 grain FMJBT projectile with an airpocket in the nose.

The 7N14 replaced the 7N1, it was designed as a sniper load with armor piercing capabilities.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, thanks

[saleen]

The air pocket in that 7N1 might make it usable for hunting as well. Hopefully, his price won't be too prohibitive and my Tiger will like it. That'll put an end to this reloading nightmare.


Saleen

[ATAK, Inc.]

Please bring on the 7N1! I have had 8 bundles for over 3 years now, and have shot a total of 6 rounds. Hell, I have sold more in my x54r collection, consisting of 33 rounds (my personal collection is up to 48 rounds).
Keep it well under $10/bundle and I will be all over a case or so.
ATAK

[saleen]

ATAK,

Since 6 rounds is enough to get a read on how it shoots in a Tiger (assuming that's what you were shooting), just how well did it shoot at what range?


Saleen

[JetJon]

1N7 I knew was the older round; one I thought was used as the standard load in the M44. The Drag and later the PSL were both designed to use the 1N7. But then I think in 1999 they came up with a load to shoot better in the Drag. They also wanted to increase penetration to counter modern body armor, as well as increase the deadliness of the FMJ round in general. Both 1N7 and 1N74 have an air pocket, but the 1N74 has a steel cone to assist penetration before the bullet deforms and tumbles.

That’s what I know about the two bullets. I had thought that 1N7 was the standard “light ball” load used in basically all combloc 7.62x54’s but then I thought it was 148 grain.


As far as I know these 1N7’s are good for hunting, someone might do a ballistics test and let us know how it deforms and what kind of penetration it gets. It should tumble like a .223 when it hits something solid. So I would think it’s good for large game. (Basically all N. American game)


As far as shooting, unless there is something really weird about your weapon it should shoot better than American made bullets. It shoots very well in Russian Drags, and I hear it shoots very well in the PSL as well. Don’t know about the other makes, the NDM’s should shoot fine, M79 though I don’t have a clue.


So how much is he going to sell them for? I should start getting ammo soon; my PSL is in layaway until I come up with the rest of the money.

[ATAK, Inc.]

The 7N1 was developed for use in the SVD, not the other way around. The 7N1 consists of; bi-metal jacket, air pocket in nose, mild steel core, lead knocker, and hollow base. When the bullet hits a "soft" target, the lead knocker pushes the steel core forward, de-stabilizing the projectile, increasing lethality. This was replaced in the 1990's with the 7N14, bi-metal jacket, and lead core. No air pocket, just solid lead. BTW, both are boattail design and 152gr.

[Rahatlakhoom]

Cool. Bob comes thru with viagra for the psl.
:boobs:

[CongSan]

1080 rounds in a sealed MILITARY tin ........... $167.67 (rate of $155.25/1000)

i thought that was for the 7n1, so i was like: HOLY SHIT.
wishful thinking

[ATAK, Inc.]

Originally Posted by saleen

ATAK,

Since 6 rounds is enough to get a read on how it shoots in a Tiger (assuming that's what you were shooting), just how well did it shoot at what range?


Saleen

Actually, I have a NDM-86 in 7.62x54r. I only got one good group, the first 3 was with a FUBAR scope mount
ATAK

[ATAK, Inc.]

Just spoke with Bob at Akron Armory, he said that a third party hard core enthusiast just purchased all of the 7N1, but it should still be coming up for sale real soon.
As soon as pricing comes out, I will post it.
ATAK

[saleen]

Hopefully, it won't be comming up for sale at $2.50 a round

I know how hard this stuff has been to get over here, but I'm hoping that with this shipment (apparently a whole container full) the skids have been greased to get more in. There's certainly more of a market for it than ever there has been thanks to the proliferation of the Romak 3 ranks, so obviously there is a market beyond the collector. I'm really not at all interested in the collector side of this round at all. Rather, I'd like to get 2-4 tins and just be set for the forseeable future (maybe even beyond that) What I buy will be shot, and it won't all be at paper either. I want to put some game down with my Tiger, and this round seems to be my best shot at doing that.

Hmmmmm.......a whole container full. AKE? Is that YOU????? (Hope so).


Saleen

[GUNSMOKE]

Think Poland......

[AOD]

Bad news People, I have talked to Akron Armory. Bob there said he has possibly sold the whole lot of 7N1 to another dealer and he Will help the buyer promote the sale of it.
Unfortunately the guy is stating he will be selling it for $3.00 a round. I doubt I will but any at that price

[abishaij]

How does one know that it's 7N1/7N14 ? How are they headstamped? I've got 6 tins of Russian made rifle (not MG) 148g (unopened). How can I tell what it is?

[AOD]

DANS AMMO is selling it right now http://www.dansammo.com/ammo.asp

RUSSIAN 7.62x54r 7N1 880rd $150.00

I just ordered 10 cases discount on any order over 4 cases and even more if shipped to a commercial business address

Got the scoop poop , this stuff came in from Hungarian Armories and the Russians are screaming they wanted it all back







if you click on the link in his web-site it takes you to the pics of the craates and ammo , Its the real deal

[WarriorPoet]

Ted W,

You just beat me to it..... I just ordered 880 rounds from Dan's Ammo. It will ship tomorrow!

Even though I have plenty of 54R (more than I'll ever shoot, I'm afraid), I just HAD to get my hands on "the real deal".

Now.....if I could only get my hands on a Drag!

-WP

[saleen]

I cannot get through on their phone DAMMIT! I swear I'm going to be pissed as hell if I can't get in on some of this.

EDIT: I got through finally! I didn't step out as far as Ted did, but there's 3 880 round tins headed my way


Saleen

[Bettendorf]

Originally Posted by saleen

I cannot get through on their phone DAMMIT! I swear I'm going to be pissed as hell if I can't get in on some of this.


Saleen

Try through their website. That's what I did.

[DGuenther]

AK-FAN, Thanks for posting the web site, I just ordered 880 Rounds, I figured it is a good investment. This may be the only time we can get our hands on some of this stuff

[AOD]

Hey Saleen , this is it, once this stuff is gone from main sellers thats it, no more will imported,And you know what price 7N1 ammo was costing if you could find it . The Russkies were screaming that this ammo came here.
So drink from the fountain while you can , cause once the fountain is dry, those SVD's and Tiger's will be mighty thirsty.

And it will be a high price to quench their thirsty barrels again

[Devil Dog]

The 7N1 projectile utilizes the jacket of the "type D" heavy ball round, with a mild-steel front core and a lead rear core. There is a small airspace in the tip.
This design does not allow the steel front core to "move forward" as some have suggested. It is simply not possible. The design of this projectile accomplishes two things. First, the steel in the front part of the jacket, with a heavy lead "knocker" behind it, provides better penetration through body armor than regular ball. Second, the lighter front core places the center of gravity further back, creating a projectile that will tend to tumble sooner than regular ball. This design borrows from the British .303 Mk. VII ball and is very smiliar to the US/NATO 5.56x45mm M-855/SS-109 ball. Once removed from the specially labeled paper wrapper, there are no other identifying marks on this cartridge to tell what it is, so be careful!

Devil Dog

[308 Sniper]

Just ordered 440rnds. What about shooting this through a mosin sniper? Any thoughts?

[saleen]

Hey Saleen , this is it, once this stuff is gone from main sellers thats it, no more will imported,And you know what price 7N1 ammo was costing if you could find it . The Russkies were screaming that this ammo came here.
So drink from the fountain while you can , cause once the fountain is dry, those SVD's and Tiger's will be mighty thirsty.

I know, I know, but I already stepped out further than I really should given my finances right now. 10 cases would have been the shiznit for me, and I could have sold them off later when the fountain dried up, but I simply don't have the funds in place to accomplish that. My krink project pretty much took care of that.


Saleen

[cover-me]

I just orderd 2 cases

[AK-fan*]

Originally Posted by Ted W

Bad news People, I have talked to Akron Armory. Bob there said he has possibly sold the whole lot of 7N1 to another dealer and he Will help the buyer promote the sale of it.
Unfortunately the guy is stating he will be selling it for $3.00 a round. I doubt I will but any at that price

I hope thats the case because I would be laughing my ass off since Dan is charging 75 bucks for a 440 tin. Serves him right for being a greedy bastard

[Hilljack]

Damn Ted, save some for us. Ordered 3 cases, guess I'll order more tomorrow, if there is any left.

[Snaiperskaya]

I just ordered a tin online......we will see!!!!!

[wolfsburgbob]

It is nice to see so many of the guys happy, even if after it all played out was the fact that I got to be the first to say "heads-up!"

SVD!