whats up with noveske ars?

[Dr. Gonzo GED]

Colts can't be that expensive, I have one and I'm a cheap bastard.

They sell for @ $1700 new in these parts. Too rich for my blood. Nice rifles though!

[nfa1934]

You didn't stipulate a barrel length.

Oops, just said SBR without specifying length.

Actually you guys have convinced me to roll my own. I've been shopping on Midway and I can build both an 8" .300 BLK and a 10.5" 5.56 for $300 less than the Noveske upper was going to cost (and this is still using Noveske barrels).

[gpwasr10]

Oops, just said SBR without specifying length.

Actually you guys have convinced me to roll my own. I've been shopping on Midway and I can build both an 8" .300 BLK and a 10.5" 5.56 for $300 less than the Noveske upper was going to cost (and this is still using Noveske barrels).

Rolling your own is the ONLY way to go. If you have any questions at all feel free to message me, I have built about 5 of them now for myself and friends.

Don't forget to check out JSE Surplus and Bravo Company for parts as well. Both these guys offer first rate service for all your EBR needs.

[Bluedog]

The dirty little secret of AR manufacturers is that they only assemble the guns they sell. There are only a handful of companies making AR parts, and DPMS is the biggest.

The arfcom fanboys love to wag their cocks over brands like Noveske, but they are 90% DPMS parts. I build my own, as cheap as I can, and the only part I have ever had fail was an ejection port door spring on a MILITARY SURPLUS (Colt) A1 upper. I still have not changed it, because the gun functions without it, and I am a busy man.

All of my guns are tuned, accurate, and 100% reliable. My least accurate AR is more accurate than my most accurate AK. If anyone wants to come to Michigan and try to wear one out, you are welcome to try, but you have to buy the ammo, and I get to shoot every other mag.

[gpwasr10]

The dirty little secret of AR manufacturers is that they only assemble the guns they sell. There are only a handful of companies making AR parts, and DPMS is the biggest.

The arfcom fanboys love to wag their cocks over brands like Noveske, but they are 90% DPMS parts. I build my own, as cheap as I can, and the only part I have ever had fail was an ejection port door spring on a MILITARY SURPLUS (Colt) A1 upper. I still have not changed it, because the gun functions without it, and I am a busy man.

All of my guns are tuned, accurate, and 100% reliable. My least accurate AR is more accurate than my most accurate AK. If anyone wants to come to Michigan and try to wear one out, you are welcome to try, but you have to buy the ammo, and I get to shoot every other mag.

My buddy took my advice and we built his...
20" Pencil BBL 1:9 Twist
Flat Top Upper
M4 Feed-ramps
Rock River Operator Collapsible Stock
Rock River Two Stage NM Trigger
Free Floated Aluminum Hand-guard

He has about $800.00 in it, Closer to a thou with his Hawke Optic.

Try to find that combo from a rifle maker. It's light as hell, accurate and reliable.

After seeing HIS rifle his buddy decided to get one [AR]... I offered to help him build it... he went out and bought a Noveske instead... He has about 1800.00 into it... Almost $3k with the ACOG he got to mount on it.


It's a very pretty rifle.

[Solidus-snake]

Hmm... check out the Solidus Pertwee competition thread to see what my home built, bottom dollar rifle does on a daily basis and I'm not a very great shot either.

I see no need for spending more on a upper than what I can build a whole rifle for.

[gpwasr10]

Hmm... check out the Solidus Pertwee competition thread to see what my home built, bottom dollar rifle does on a daily basis and I'm not a very great shot either.

I see no need for spending more on a upper than what I can build a whole rifle for.

Oh, you can make them even cheaper then the 800 mark for sure; under 5 if you're patent. But if you want some fancy components (Match Triggers, Special Stocks crap like that) they start adding up a bit.

[nfa1934]

I don't know why I haven't been doing this already. For less than $2K, I am assembling an 8" .300 BLK upper, a 10.5" 5.56 upper, and a 6" .22 LR upper. And I'm getting exactly what I want, not whatever appeals to more customers.

The .22 is really going to increase my range time!

[gpwasr10]

I don't know why I haven't been doing this already. For less than $2K, I am assembling an 8" .300 BLK upper, a 10.5" 5.56 upper, and a 6" .22 LR upper. And I'm getting exactly what I want, not whatever appeals to more customers.

The .22 is really going to increase my range time!

Rolling my own is what got me bigtime into AR's.

[American Rage]

I've been trying to piece together an AR for under $600. Can't do it. The closest I can come is for $700 I can get a local lower and order a cheap upper. But for a hundred dollars more, I can make that upper a heavy barreled mid-length, with a chromed lined barrel from Armalite in A2 configuration.

And that's my advice to all who I meet now. Get a local assembled lower for around $250, and then order an Armalite upper for $525 plus shipping.

Currently I have two AR carbines, but I'd like to get an SP1 clone and an A2 rifle in the future, and perhaps even a 9mm,

[AK-J]

I've been trying to piece together an AR for under $600. Can't do it. The closest I can come is for $700 I can get a local lower and order a cheap upper. But for a hundred dollars more, I can make that upper a heavy barreled mid-length, with a chromed lined barrel from Armalite in A2 configuration.

And that's my advice to all who I meet now. Get a local assembled lower for around $250, and then order an Armalite upper for $525 plus shipping.

Currently I have two AR carbines, but I'd like to get an SP1 clone and an A2 rifle in the future, and perhaps even a 9mm,

Looking around AIM Surplus's website, it looks like one could put together an M-Forgery for around $560 (not including shipping or the dealer transfer for the lower).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...alf&groupid=55
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...ver&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=57

Some of the stuff is out of stock, and you'd need to add a rear sight of your choosing, but you can put together one for under $600 easy.

[gpwasr10]

Looking around AIM Surplus's website, it looks like one could put together an M-Forgery for around $560 (not including shipping or the dealer transfer for the lower).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...alf&groupid=55
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...ver&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=57

Some of the stuff is out of stock, and you'd need to add a rear sight of your choosing, but you can put together one for under $600 easy.

Palmetto State Armoury had their Lowers on sale for under $50 a few weeks ago. Sales do pop up every so often.

[American Rage]

Looking around AIM Surplus's website, it looks like one could put together an M-Forgery for around $560 (not including shipping or the dealer transfer for the lower).

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...alf&groupid=55
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...ver&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=53
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Kit&groupid=57

Some of the stuff is out of stock, and you'd need to add a rear sight of your choosing, but you can put together one for under $600 easy.

those numbers are misleading. First, I'd have to pay the shipping to my house for all things except the lower. The lower would be shipped to a local ffl and I'd have to pay them their cut, plus taxes. That alone should add at least $50 to the bill. And now I've got to go out and find a rear sight, some of which can be quite pricey. I'll assume another $40 + shipping. So now we're up to at least $660 by the time I buy a cheap rear sight, pay shipping, my ffl gets his cut, and city taxes are paid on the reciever. Throw in the tools I'd probably need to buy to assemble the lower, and it gets higher still. Now, if I bought the upper for $400 + shipping and a $40 rear sight + shipping and local lower for $250 assembled and out the door, that would bring me to around $725 for the deal.

And that is my point, for about $70 more I can put together a much better rifle. Just compare the upper two uppers.

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.asp...e-63fe2c75d131

Here's how I figure it. Buy a local assembled lower with 6 position stock for around $250 tax included. Buy an Armalite upper for $525 and have it shipped for around $25 or less. Thus for around $800, I get a rifle that has (1) A2 sights, (2) a better gas system, i.e., mid-length, (3) a better sight radius, (4) a heavy barrel, (5) a chrome lined barrel, (6) a double lapped barrel for increased accuracy, (7) Armalite uses better parts than most as revealed by:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...jFwPrgTA&gid=5

[AK-J]

those numbers are misleading. First, I'd have to pay the shipping to my house for all things except the lower. The lower would be shipped to a local ffl and I'd have to pay them their cut, plus taxes. That alone should add at least $50 to the bill. And now I've got to go out and find a rear sight, some of which can be quite pricey. I'll assume another $40 + shipping. So now we're up to at least $660 by the time I buy a cheap rear sight, pay shipping, my ffl gets his cut, and city taxes are paid on the reciever. Throw in the tools I'd probably need to buy to assemble the lower, and it gets higher still. Now, if I bought the upper for $400 + shipping and a $40 rear sight + shipping and local lower for $250 assembled and out the door, that would bring me to around $725 for the deal.

And that is my point, for about $70 more I can put together a much better rifle. Just compare the upper two uppers.

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.asp...e-63fe2c75d131

Here's how I figure it. Buy a local assembled lower with 6 position stock for around $250 tax included. Buy an Armalite upper for $525 and have it shipped for around $25 or less. Thus for around $800, I get a rifle that has (1) A2 sights, (2) a better gas system, i.e., mid-length, (3) a better sight radius, (4) a heavy barrel, (5) a chrome lined barrel, (6) a double lapped barrel for increased accuracy, (7) Armalite uses better parts than most as revealed by:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...jFwPrgTA&gid=5

It was but an example.

The only tool you need to assemble a lower that you might not already have is a wrench to install the buffer tube for a carbine buttstock, if you choose to get one. If you found a stripped lower locally (@ gunshow or something) for less than $100 otd, you can assemble your own for under $200, saving atleast $50.

You can save another $75 by buying a DTI upper w/ the exact specs as the Armalite. http://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetail...uctCode=DT1024 Add a chrome lined barrel option for a total of $450 plus shipping (about $22 the last time I ordered from them).

You have about $675 into it for a rifle built to the same specs as the one you're talking about.

Or you can take you stripped lower, and add a rifle kit from DTI with the same features as above ( http://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetail...uctCode=RKT104 ) for $520 plus shipping, and end up saving about $25 for a total of $650.

Both options are between $125 to $150 cheaper for the same basic rifle (anyone would be hard pressed to say one is better than the other). Even if you just bought a assemble lower locally for $250, you'd save atleast $75 with going DTI instead of Armalite.

I don't necessarily think having a A2 upper (ie fixed rear sight) is an advantage unless one has no intention of ever installing an optic. Having the flat top makes it so much easier.