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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.56NATO View Post
    Lol you mean like they supported Heller in his fight against the nwo?
    Okay, Mr Expert.

    What organizations do you belong and send money to that support 2nd Amendment rights? That is, organizations who actually lobby and defend said rights?

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    I have some senators and congressors, cupcake. Also, according to the Constitution of the United States I belong to the militia. You need to stop looking for others to do what you as a citizen need to be doing, contacting politicians and filing lawsuits but no, you expect the nra to do it for you so you can feel smug and justified that you are actually doing something. Belonging to the nra boy scout troop doesn't change anything, and they are still caving, just like they always have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.56NATO View Post
    I have some senators and congressors, cupcake. Also, according to the Constitution of the United States I belong to the militia. You need to stop looking for others to do what you as a citizen need to be doing, contacting politicians and filing lawsuits but no, you expect the nra to do it for you so you can feel smug and justified that you are actually doing something. Belonging to the nra boy scout troop doesn't change anything, and they are still caving, just like they always have.
    Like you always do here reliably 100% of the time you completely avoid giving any real answer.

    Just some vague bs about "senators & congressman" and being in the .223 Militia. Talk is cheap, you know that right? And when was the last time you actually cast a ballot for anybody running for any office? In your world they're ALL nwo lackies and running-dogs, right?

    If it wasn't for the NRA and some other gun owners rights advocates, the US would have gone the way of Europe years ago in regard to what we can and can't own. Too bad you and the other NRA-bashers are too clueless to see that.

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    Lol you said it cupcake, talk is cheap and you're paying the nra to talk for you. Talk like they did with the Heller case. Talk like they did in the 89 bush awb ban. Talk like they did for gca68 and the nfa. And of course the nra was there (afterwards) to defend our rights during the katrina confiscations, I am sure if the nwo (that you say does not exist) takes over the nra will be saving us with lawsuits while we languish in the camps (that you say don't exist).

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    Dear cupcake, I just remembered my speaking before a state inquiry into gun legislation. Thanks for jogging my memory! A state (Iowa, this would have been in the 90s) decided to hold hearings in various Iowa towns to get an idea as to what the citizens of Iowa thought about proposed state antigun legislation. I heard about a nearby meeting so I went to it, and found that if you wanted to speak before the legislators you had to sign your name so I did. The auditorium was packed, really packed. Hundreds if not thousands were there. I didn't see or hear from any nra reps there but certainly many of the crowd were members and as I recall I was too back then. No one said anything about the nra at the meeting, so you know. There was, however, a farmer there who actually told the legislators in front of god and everybody that years ago the state had confiscated one entire harvest of his corn because someone who he rented grain storage to had been caught commiting fraud or tax evasion or some other crime and the all the corn stored on the land lord farmers land was taken as well as the criminals, and never repaid. The farmer told these legislators to their face that the reason he needed guns was to shoot them if they ever did it again. This resulted in more or less a standing ovation that went on for several minutes, I trust you can picture this. Anway there were many Iowans who spoke at this meeting and it was just about to wrap when they called my name after noting it had not been called. So I made my way down to the podium and thanked the legislators and fellow citizens for holding the hearings. Then I mentioned that this hearing was apparently to determine what affect antigun legislation had on crime. I gave my name and where I was from and then stated that if you legislate guns away from law abiding citizens, those law abiding citizens will be unable to defend themselves from criminals, who by definition do not obey law. Thusly, if the legislators removed arms from the citizens, the legislators would be co-responsible for the crimes commited against the citizen that an armed citizen could have resisted - if only they had been allowed use of arms. My completely unprepared statement (I had no idea they would let citizens speak their minds) brought about another round of applause. I was surrounded by like minded Americans, and we were definitely in the majority, then and now. There was a group of young hippy/socialists sitting in the row behind me, and they glared at me like I was Reagan or somethign as I headed back to my seat, all the while enjoying the thunderous applause. At least some of the legislators were actually shaking in their seats, others were smiling with approval, but some of them were old enough to have parkinsons or alzheimers or whatever, regardless of why the trembling, I did not want to threaten them in the slightest. Have you ever done anything like that?

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    Thanks for the lengthy reply, I guess.

    For the record I've lobbied my local, state and Congressional politicos for the last 25 years or so on behalf of gun-owners rights & the right bestowed on us by the BoR to bear arms. Unlike you I have not been applauded (to my recollection) for my efforts. I reside in the People's Republic of IL, where majority sympathy (at least in the communist-held northeast of the state) is few and far between.

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    The latest from Gun Owners Of America.

    Gun Owners of America
    The Battle Will Take Longer than We’d Hoped

    But there’s still a very good chance we can win!

    “Gun Owners of America [has] been pressing lawmakers who may have wavered on this emotional issue of background checks.”
    - CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, April 10, 2013

    We've been fighting these gun control battles for almost 40 years now. And we almost always win. But it's almost always a nail-biter.

    And so it is on Obama's gun control agenda.

    We'd hoped that we could stop the gun control bribe-o-thon early (and risk-free) by blocking the motion to proceed to the package. But thanks to sell-outs like Pennsylvania's one-term senator, Pat Toomey, we're going to have to take a different battle position and defeat the package at a later stage.

    The Senate today overcame the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and voted to move to proceed to Harry Reid’s gun control bill (S. 649). Where Reid needed 60 votes, the tally was 68-31. Click here to see if your Senator sold you out by voting to “move to proceed” to the bill.

    Republican defectors who voted anti-gun were: Alexander (TN), Ayotte (NH), Burr (NC), Chambliss (GA), Collins (ME), Corker (TN), Coburn (OK), Flake (AZ), Isakson (GA), McCain (AZ), Heller (NV), Hoeven (ND), Kirk (IL), Graham (SC), Toomey (PA) and Wicker (MS).

    So, here's where we are. Right after the Senate proceeded to the gun control bill, Harry Reid used his privileged recognition to put a bunch of amendments in place. In Senate parlance, they are referred to as an "amendment tree;" and they contain the universal registry bill, the Feinstein gun ban, and the magazine ban. These will be voted on in upcoming days.

    As for the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer universal registry bill, don't believe the press' efforts to sugar-coat it. If you have ever had an "Internet ... posting" on (or related to) your gun, you can sell it only by going to a dealer and filling out a 4473 and getting the government's approval. Only a cave man would be exempt.

    And once you have a 4473? Well, the ATF is going from dealer to dealer, copying the information on these forms, and feeding it into a database. But, says Toomey, he's against universal registries. This is where it would have helped if Toomey had consulted someone who knew something about guns.

    Registration and violation of privacy.

    First of all, Toomey’s anti-registry language prohibits photocopying the 4473's, but it doesn't prohibit going into the FFL with a laptop and copying all the information. Second, ATF takes the position that the data it's accumulating in a database is not a "registry," so Toomey's ban does no good. Third, guess what the sanction is for violation of Toomey's anti-registry language? Answer: Eric Holder has to choose to prosecute himself and his own department.

    But this isn't the only bad thing about Toomey-Manchin-Schumer.

    Section 107 of the sell-out also waives any federal privacy prohibitions under HIPAA to sending the names of Americans with PTSD, ADHD, and post partem depression to the gun ban database. But that’s not all.

    Believe in Jesus, hand in your guns?

    Because private shrinks will be able to add patients names into a federal database of the mentally ill - without due process - you will be at their mercy.

    As Red State editor, Erick Erickson says, “Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.”

    And as for veterans? Toomey-Manchin-Schumer reinforces the proposition that bureaucrats in the Department of Veterans Affairs can take away veterans' rights without any due process. If a veteran has $30,000 to spend getting back the rights Toomey-Manchin-Schumer wrongly took from him, the sell-out creates yet another redundant money-trap for restoration of rights that shouldn't have been taken away in the first place.

    Repealing gun owner protections.

    What if you want to travel across the country? McClure-Volkmer allowed you to do that with an unloaded gun in the trunk (18 U.S.C. 926A). But, under the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, unless you can "demonstrate," to the satisfaction of the New York police (1) where you came from, (2) where you're going, (3) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you can from, and (4) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you're going, they will arrest you in New York.

    The Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out creates a Biden-like commission to insure that the cries for gun control continue.

    Like sprinkles on a pile of dung, Toomey and Schumer steal some of the proposals we drafted and try to use them to get us to buy onto gun control. But it won't work.

    The gun movement is united against this disgusting pile of gun control.

    Here is the new battlefield. Because of the Senate rules, many of the upcoming gun control votes will need 60 (out of 100 votes) to move forward. That will almost certainly be the case with the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer proposal. And because the entire Second amendment movement - GOA, NRA, etc. - is against the Toomey language, it virtually ensures his amendment will fail.

    And if Toomey-Manchin-Schumer doesn't pass, then Reid probably won’t have enough votes to overcome a second filibuster on the bill - as it would contain the original anti-gun language sponsored by Reid and Schumer. This all but guarantees that the legislation would die, as Republicans and a half-a-dozen Democrat Senators would then team up to keep the bill from getting the required 60 votes.

    One last question or thought: Did we waste our time supporting the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and fighting the motion to proceed? No, because we forced Obama to fire most of his ammunition, as he dragged his human props around Washington in an effort to exploit them for political gain.

    If Obama had been able to wait to play this card until Toomey-Manchin-Schumer came up for a vote, that vote would be a lot harder for us to win.

    But Obama has already played this card for his "they deserve a vote" theme. Okay, they're getting their vote. But by the time we reach the vote on cloture on Toomey-Manchin-Schumer, Obama's exploitation of the victims of Newtown will begin to be realized for the cynical exploitative political ploy that it is. And he will be less able to shift gears and use the victims for the theme “They deserve a ‘yes’ vote.”

    ACTION: Click here to contact your Senators. Tell them to vote against cloture on the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out.
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    I'm reviving this thread to say that I will again become an NRA member. They did good (the NRA) holding firm on this. Kudos to you NRA!!!

    I was surprised that SAF was ready to sell us out on this though. I'm very disappointed in that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by L1A1Rocker View Post
    I'm reviving this thread to say that I will again become an NRA member. They did good (the NRA) holding firm on this. Kudos to you NRA!!!

    I was surprised that SAF was ready to sell us out on this though. I'm very disappointed in that!
    We should all send them a message and let the NRA know why we are members and what we expect. I think that involvement is the best way to ensure that the positions they support are inline with their membership base.

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    I think the fact all the amendments went down in flames for now speaks volumes of the NRA and GOA. Some of the R's like McCain and the usual suspects voted yes on some of them, they need to go bye bye.

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    But we all know the domestic enemies will never stop trying to take our rights. Expect them to redouble their efforts.

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    What is the NRA doing for US these days?

    Couple days old but I hear they are now the new sponsors of the Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show! Piss of Reed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    Many here are critical of the NRA.
    The feds are terrified of the NRA. That makes them A-OK in my book. They must be doing SOMETHING right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    We should all send them a message and let the NRA know why we are members and what we expect.
    Honestly, I think the NRA has a much better view of the "big picture" than we do. That's why NRA doesn't always do what "we think should be done". They are obviously successful. NRA is the only group that the gun banners complain about and fear.

    For example, Heller. NRA didn't want it to go to the SCOTUS because of the terrible, unrepairable consequences of a decision against us.

    LUCKILY we squeaked by with one vote and NRA ended up looking bad for not backing Heller.

    But they had their reasons and if we lost Heller, NRA would be in the right to say "We told you so!"
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