Gay marraige: its only a matter of time......

[Ruskiegunlover]

Call me what you will, this is part of the war on Christianity in this country. Everywhere you look you see rulings throwing out the 1st amendment. Its war. The left wants a utopian, socialist society in which there is no religion and all are equal, and no one wants, everyone has the same. Not possible.

This is step 1 in the attack on Christianity. Within a few years, there will be lawsuits brought against churches for discimination for NOT marrying same sex couples. Churches will refuse. And, as again this is not about equality AT ALL but about forcing religious people to accept the morally degenerate decisions of these people. Forcing me to accept and support their disgusting lifestyle which goes against every natural and religious law of the Bible.

In time, a Lutheran or Catholic church will refuse to marry a couple. Say, two men. One man will have been a member of the church since childhood, and will go to court over it as discrimination. And courts will rule in favor of them. Mark my words. THEN.......

.....we will see the next prong of the attack. The tax attack. Courts, congress, the socialists will go after churches for taking a political stance while being tax exempt. So, they will then punish churches by levying heavy taxes on churches who refuse to marry these sick people. Mark my words, remember this post. It will happen. Don't say 'no it won't, the constitution says....' These people PISS on the constitution. They don't give a shit. Its simply in their way. They wipe their ass with it. I see this as another nail in the coffin of this country that will lead to open conflict before long.

Understand, they just DEEPLY politicized this moral issue. Its NOW open politics, devoid of religion. It will next become a tax issue. Then, I see religions, maybe not even just XChristians, going underground again. It will drive people back into basements holding small services instead of large churches being taxed to death for standing by the Bible.

We deserve to fail. A society without morals, a society where men get rich off of the forced labor of others will not stand. A society which loses its moral compass will fail. A society where right is wrong and wrong is right will fail. A society where men get rich off of corruption, and go poor of off honest hard work, will not stand. We ARE falling, and we WILL fail.

God save my family and I during this.

[El Jefe]

The left wants to get the whole "queer agenda" done and out of the way so they can move on to the next group of degenerates on their list.

[CigarGuy]

So, this ruling allows any two people that are "married" to file a joint tax return?

[sevlex]

I can't wait to see the flood of Gay Divorce cases. Court dockets, already full of divorce cases, should be jammed for years to come.

[Ruskiegunlover]

In my life, and its only my experiences, 90% of the lesbian, gay people I have known were pretty obviously emotionally unstable, or at least damaged. 1 guy who the love of his life, woman he worshiped, left him and he went through a LONG spell of emotional turmoil then decided he was gay. Very emotionally unstable. Known several in college or at my job who had very difficult childhoods, 1 possibly sexual abuse. All, just by talking to them, you can get a feel for the level of emotional stability or lack of. I too would predict that divorces for these people will be far and away higher than hetero couples.


Wonder too about how long it will be before parents teaching their children that these lifestyles are NOT, and are sinful, and against the bible will be treated as child abuse. Like that guy who named his son Adolph Hitler....they took his son away from him. Big difference here between THAT and this though. But really.....your kid goes to school, and mentions that he doesn't believe in being homosexual or lesbain, and is taken to the office for offending other kids. Then they call it hate speech and throw him out. Then they find out the parents told him this, and investigate the parents. BELIEVE ME, this will happen. Its a WAR guys.

[Kadmos]

First, religious institutions cannot be forced to give any of its services to anyone. No court case can force a church to baptize or marry or whatever any specific person. They are far better protected in their ability to "refuse service to anyone for any reason" than pretty much everyone else.

Second, there is no shortage of religious figures who are more than willing to preform weddings for gay people. You seem to be under the idea that Priests, Rabbis, Ministers, etc would be totally unwilling...this is far from the reality.

Third, many gay people have a strong religious upbringing and continue to practice.

Lastly, your personal opinion that 90% are damaged people probably stems from your obvious disapproval of gays. One could easily argue that 90% of the population at large contains damaged people, or people who appear damaged to others

[Ruskiegunlover]

Kadmos just does not understand a major part of my post. This is 10% about equality. 90% is about FORCING religious or anti-gay marraige people, especially religious people, into accepting them. Thats all there is to it. If it wasn't about forcing those who object to accept, then why INSIST on gay MARRAIGE? Why insist, when civil unions were openly talked about. A civil union IS equality. Two men or women legally bound, financially. They wanted MARRAIGE because they know the reaction of many religious people. They are trying to force people to accept them. As such, it will be a mark of pride for many of these people to take churches to court for discrimination. Like the socialists they tend to be, they want to FORCE people to change, and accept them. I have known many people of these decisions. Many nice people too. I've been hit on by guys, so believe me, I have experience with these people. I have not and never will accept it, and will teach my children that it is NOT an alternative lifestyle, and is NOT acceptable to God.

[Ruskiegunlover]

Oh, and what keeps the government or anyone from forcing religious institutions to do things? The constitution? The 1st amendment? The same things that the socialists in our government just sat aside, disregard, and show open disdain for? The same constitution that allowed the Fairness Doctrine for years to be law? The same cConstitution and Bill of Rights that allow a man to be arrested in New Jersey when his plane, flying to a gun FRIENDLY state, has to temporarily stop in an UNfriendly state, and he is arrested for having an UNLICENCED gun? With no permit? I would think THAT would fly in the face of our founding documents....

They'll do it. They WANT to do it. Its power. And they now have it.

[Ruskiegunlover]

The same Constitution and Bill of Rights that 'allows' our president to give weapons to drug dealers, to spy mercilessly on American citizens, to PUNISH his political enemies with the IRS......Are those the same docs you are talking about that would limit what the gov can do? Because they don't really seem to be working......


The same founding documents that ALLOWED the president and secretary of state to be HORRIBLY inept and asleep at the chair when our embassey in Bengazi was attacked? And then the pres. covered it up? The government is out of control. We don't really have those documents anymore to protect us. So, again, this will happen. You are telling me you cannot see finestein or mcshitstain on TV talking about how a church discriminated against a guy couple who have the LEGAL RIGHT to marry? Wait, can't the gov now decide whats discrimination and not? Can't the gov now force colleges or businesses to hire simply on race?

[rktman]

Ruskie,

You hit the nail on the head and you have my respect for saying what many are thinking.
It's not a hatred of gays. They can do whatever they want BUT the Bible says it's wrong and it just will not fly (it also says that a-holes who sleep around on their spouse is wrong).

The issue is that marriage is a covenant between a man and woman before God the Almighty (marriage=3 entities). A covenant can not exist before God which is 100% against what he has said (old testament and new testament). The joining of 2 people without God would be a Civil Union (2 entities).

IMO if you don't believe the Bible and are not a Christian (completely your choice), then you shouldn't even pretend by getting "hitched" in a Church or by involving a minister/preacher.

Kad, I'm not sure what you expect to gain in this life or the next by always being against the morals that have established this country but I'm thinking your about to eat the "fruit" of your own logic. I certainly hope not though for everyone's sake.

[Ruskiegunlover]

Can't the feds FORCE states to provide access to abortions legally? Wait, haven't college students and high school students been kept from saying prayers during commencement speeches? And doesn't the federal government fight hate crimes and discrimination? And you want to say that the feds will sit by silent while churches stand up and refuse to marry couples that the feds have given the right to MARRAIGE?

Whats more powerful? The feds or the churches individually? Who do you think will win in the end?

Is marraige a religious thing? Or is it not? Kind of like the word TAX was in the supreme court a year ago?

This will end up being religious discimination ON GUYS before its done.....

The socialists LOVE to turn our system on its head. They LOVE to turn our countries greatest strengths into great weaknesses like this. The LOVE to turn morality upside down....It only furthers their ends.

And I stand by my predictions about the future with religious freedom, and child rearing freedom. Those things are coming guys......

[Cypher]

I agree. The dims have already tried to take away the tax exempt status for Churches. It's ok, it may be a war but we know who wins in the end.

[Ruskiegunlover]

They gain EVERYTHING in this fight, and we lose. I could express other opinions about supposedly religious dims, but socialism does not allow GOD to be in your life. No 'christian' supports gay marraige OR abortion. Especially abortion......So lots of supposed 'christians' will be ok with this, like lots of fake christians are ok with abortion. REAL Christians who are against these things will be branded extremists, and will be tarred and feathered by faes. This will give the socialists the strength they need to go after churches on tax exempt status. Its as clear as day to me.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I can just see the press conferences about new laws or cases, obama, pilosi, clinton standing with fake 'pastors' from fake christian churches.....'See, these pastors approve, so its a just fight'.....'Non acceptance is hatred, pure and simple'.....'we need our children in a world that embraces EVERYONE not just some'.....


And the low info voters will have a few momentary seconds of hesitation, before they go along with it. Because it will be JUST LIKE the racist pacification in this country. Speaking the truth about race relations only gets you branded a racist. So speaking out against this will get you branded an extremist, hater, or worse.

[Ruskiegunlover]

HOLY SHIT, FRESH OFF OF THE NEWS!

Obama: 'I won't make churches conduct gay marraiges"
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-...rticle/2532418


What was I JUST saying.....

A quick quiz:
Did you believe obama when he said he had no knowledge of Fast and Furious?
Did you believe obama when he said he'd be the most transparent admin ever?
Did you believe him when he said he was NOT FOR gay marraige?
Did you believe obama when he said obamacare was NOT a tax?
Did you believe obama when he said that contraceptives and abortions would not be part of obamacare?
Do you believe that obamacare will HELP you?

Then you are likely too stupid to breath. So, stop reading this thread.....

[Kadmos]

Kadmos just does not understand a major part of my post. This is 10% about equality. 90% is about FORCING religious or anti-gay marraige people, especially religious people, into accepting them.

Hardly. They know full well that many religious people aren't going to accept them. Yet they live their lives anyway. What they expect is that the will have equal treatment under the laws, have the same benefits, privileges and immunities every other citizen is guaranteed.

Thats all there is to it. If it wasn't about forcing those who object to accept, then why INSIST on gay MARRAIGE? Why insist, when civil unions were openly talked about. A civil union IS equality.

A civil union is only equality if the government no longer gives benefits to married people.

They want marriage, because that's what it is. Two straight people can convince a religious figure to preform a wedding ceremony and with the proper paperwork the state will call it marriage.

But if two gay people convince a religious figure to preform a wedding the state calls it nothing and won't even hand them the paperwork.

Sure they can call it a civil union or domestic partnership, but lets be clear about what that is, it's two people generally living together having slightly more rights than strangers sharing a hotel room.

You could essentially get a domestic partnership or civil union with your brother, sister, mother, or roommate.

Nobody is trying to force religious figures to preform weddings for same sex couples, but shouldn't those who are willing to do so be able to?

Two men or women legally bound, financially. They wanted MARRAIGE because they know the reaction of many religious people.

Is that why you think people get married, just to be legally bound, financially?

They want marriage because they love each other, want to spend their lives together, want the duties and privileges that come with it.

Seriously, how self important are you thinking it's just some scheme to piss you or other religious people off?

Wanting to marry the person you love is one of the most natural things in the world.

They are trying to force people to accept them.

Mostly just the government. In a free country. Where the government has no right to tell people they can't do something that isn't hurting anyone else. Often about their own religion, which the government tries to forbid from preforming it's ceremonies.

As such, it will be a mark of pride for many of these people to take churches to court for discrimination.

Why?

Because a certain church won't marry them?

It's a non-starter, church's can refuse to preform weddings for whatever reason they like.

Like the socialists they tend to be, they want to FORCE people to change, and accept them.

And now they are suddenly all socialists?

I have not and never will accept it, and will teach my children that it is NOT an alternative lifestyle, and is NOT acceptable to God.

That's your choice, one you are free to make. Not sure you are doing your kids any great favors, just seeing as they are going to have to occasionally deal with gay people, but whatever.

Just like you can choose not to be Muslim, or a devil worshiper, or whatever...but hopefully you can realize that the greater issue is one of civil and religious rights, of freedom and the ability to live the life one chooses so long as it doesn't harm others.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I accept them, but do not approve. I know, that doesn't matter....Love the sinner, hate the sin kadmos.

HA. You really believe obama then? HA, thats pretty moronic.

Uh, yeah, lots of these people HATE the Christian right. Many of them deny God. MANY are incredibly imbittered at not being shown the respect and acceptance they feel they are entitled too in a church. So FUCK yeah they will sue. Its only a matter of time.

Marraige is first and foremost a RELIGIOUS institution. It is legal second. Or until recently when socialists in this country declared war on Christianity and set out to hobble or possibly destroy it by undermining all of its teachings and beliefs. The left WANTS to destroy it. And this is just part of it. Again, they want to rule OVER us. They cannot rule those who rule themselves.

And yes, dims ARE socialists. Go read about socialism a bit kad, then get back to me. They even, in some ways, bear a striking similiarity in views with fascism. They are ANTI-AMERICAN. In almost everything they stand for. And this is just another part of it.

[Kadmos]

Ruskie,

You hit the nail on the head and you have my respect for saying what many are thinking.
It's not a hatred of gays. They can do whatever they want BUT the Bible says it's wrong and it just will not fly (it also says that a-holes who sleep around on their spouse is wrong).

The bible says eating pork is wrong. But most people just blow that off.

Church's have been known to have BBQ's where pork is served. Should the government come in and put a stop to that?

So if a church wants to have a gay marriage ceremony should the government be allowed to come in and put a stop to that?

The issue is that marriage is a covenant between a man and woman before God the Almighty (marriage=3 entities). A covenant can not exist before God which is 100% against what he has said (old testament and new testament). The joining of 2 people without God would be a Civil Union (2 entities).

EXACTLY!

Where is the government in that equation? It isn't. And nor should it be.

What right does the government have to tell religions what is moral when the religious action isn't hurting anyone?

Sure, human sacrifice is obviously out...but marriage? Why?

IMO if you don't believe the Bible and are not a Christian (completely your choice), then you shouldn't even pretend by getting "hitched" in a Church or by involving a minister/preacher.

I agree. But what if you do believe, find a religious figure willing to do it, why should the government say no?

Kad, I'm not sure what you expect to gain in this life or the next by always being against the morals that have established this country but I'm thinking your about to eat the "fruit" of your own logic. I certainly hope not though for everyone's sake.

Personal freedom, religious freedom, and equality under the law. Those are the morals of this country.

[Ruskiegunlover]

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domes...-race-20130626


"Scalia says that the court's holding – while limited to the Defense of Marriage Act – is a sure sign that the majority is willing to declare gay marriage a constitutional right."


Scalia sees what I see. At least the beginning of it. Here is the important question:

CAN A CHURCH DENY A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT?

[Ruskiegunlover]

Oh kad, you are really adapt at putting words into peoples mouths. I never said if FAKE churches want to violate Gods teachings by marrying these people they should not be allowed to. But it will not be that simple. They will be allowed to, no doubt. Because thats what the socialists want. But what about the, soon to be minority, churches who refuse? Will they be allowed to refuse? Think about it kad before you answer. Think about the last 5 years. Think about the IRS and this tax issue: will churches be allowed to DENY A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT? Don't be a dumbass kad. Face the reality of it, as much as you so obviously agree with it, at least face up honestly to what your beliefs will do to religious freedom in this country.