Confronted by an Angry Bitch

[Kadmos]

Just a slight sidetrack here, but have read through all these posting in this thread, I cannot help but notice we are all agreeing on something, kadmos and all. Even I am nodding in agreement and I dont have kids. Enjoy the moment. I am even bold enough to suggest a group hug. LOL

OK back to the topic again.

If you do have kids, you quickly realize that raising them well is the biggest, most important job you will ever have. Assuming you aren't a lazy self centered shitbag


I had a number of arguments with family and friends over whether or not spanking was ok.

For me it was a tool in the box, not the only tool, but one I wasn't willing to completely sacrifice should the need arise.

All told I probably spanked Sammi twice, and gave her a dozen or so quick swats on the butt or back of the head.

Spanking was for malicious behaviour, when she willfully committed an act of violence or destruction

Swats on the butt were generally for "safety violations"...like when you grab them from running into traffic and give them a whack to let them know the seriousness.

Back of the head swats were for rude behavior. (Standing in line at the grocery store she loudly remarked "That lady has a huge butt" about the woman in front of us). They weren't hard hits obviously, just attention getters

These evolved quickly into me just lightly tapping a finger on the back of her head, to let her know she was being rude

You gotta do what you gotta do, the big thing is that both you and the kid know you will spank if necessary...which makes it much less necessary

A little bit of early discipline saves a lot of trouble later

[rshaneck2002]

Nothing more sick than walking into some ones home and in 15 minutes realize the resident teen is running the place and in many cases by fear. You know real quick the brat never got any discipline at all in their young yrs and now mommy and daddy want to know why? Seen far to many homes like this in the last 15 yrs or so., way to many kids having kids for one, our national nightmare really., speaking as a G-father of seven, soon to be eight. them 3 boys of mine need to tie knots in their little johnnnys and leave them in their pants for awhile. Oh they tried in their teen yrs, did not work one bit. Today in their 30s and 40s they have different ideas on the raising of children than I had. They seem scared to death of the schools for one? who knows?

[Ruskiegunlover]

I have had to report child abuse. Had a young girl who lost her virginity at 16....found out that her parents were hitting her in the face, calling her a prostitute, saying incredibly evil and hateful stuff to her. I had a hard time grasping it. This was confirmed from a sibling witness too. I could give a considerable amount more detail, but I won't. Suffice to say she is a DAMNED good kid. Smart as hell, extremely nice and respectful, works her ass off at school, wants to go to college, every teacher in my school loves her, she simply doesn't get her peers who are gang banger shits, is ready to get out of school and move on with her life.

Now, before anyone throws stones at her for loosing her virginity....Remember yourself, maybe your wife, maybe the girls you slept with in high school or college. She is near the top of her peers for sexual activity....meaning, 1 person doesn't hold a candle to many of her peers. I had long talks with her, along with a close friend of mine who also is a teacher at this school. I used a lot of methods, but I was KIND, at times blunt, but suportive. Girl cried because I made her say that she wasn't a prostitute (good crying). Point is, this was child abuse. Emotional, and physical. I cannot imagine hitting a 16 year old girl in the face, closed fist. She understood she had made a mistake. And she knew some punishment and loss of trust was warrented. But the punishment administered was out of pure anger, embarrassment, almost hatred. THATS where you start to get into abuse. When your AGNGER drives what you do, and anger alone.....

[Ruskiegunlover]

I also have a young boy who never comes to my class, or many others. Gets to school, skips out to go smoke pot or run the city. Gets in school suspension all the time, and at conferences last week complained to his grandmother that he never gets homework when he has in school suspension, and THATS why he has poor grades (all F's). And guess what? SCHOOLS are terrified of PARENTS, so I and other teachers get the blame.

The left has flipped the natural world on its head to me.

[Krupski]

I would appreciate any thoughts on this. Do we live in a society where people think they can confront strangers with impunity spewing liberal bullshit? It should be noted that my attempts to correct the granddaughter were in a whisper which is one of the reasons the confrontation quickly pissed me off.

An unwritten rule is that you do not interfere with parents (or grandparents) and their kids.

Unless the parent (or grandparent) is hurting the child (physically or psychologically), nobody has any right to say anything.

I've seen kids in a supermarket whining and crying and giving their mother a fit... behaving like a little monster while mom does nothing. But I keep quiet. It's not my place. I've also seen parents that were TOO strict (in my opinion) and again I said nothing. None of my business.

How you handle your grandchildren I may or may not agree with, but it's none of my business either way (nor is it ANYONE else's business).

Those people that gave you the evil eye were 100% in the wrong and deserving of being told to "fuck off" or whatever else you would have liked to say to them.

[Krupski]

And your reply is what I've come to expect from conservatives, you expect people are going to do what you say just because you said it...it's all just hot air.

A child IS expected to do what they are told to do. Conservative or Brain Damaged, makes no difference.

If you want a kid to shut up, you don't tell them to shut up, you tell them why they need to shut up!

A parent may wish to explain a decision, but they sure as hell are not required to provide the explanation. I am the parent. The child's well being is MY responsibility and if I decide "X", then "X" it is and I don't need to "explain" or "justify" it (other than maybe "you like living here? Then it's by my rules").

My kid didn't give me any trouble, and she was a spirited one. But I didn't just blow hot air in her direction either, she knew what would happen if she didn't behave.

So I suppose you explained and justified every thing you told her to do or not to do? I suspect not.


Funny thing is (concerning the second block of text) that I used to HATE it when my dad gave me the "my house - my rules" thing... but of course I know now that he was right. Everything he did that pissed me off as a kid I now know was RIGHT.

The pathetic state of kids today (the ones called "millennials") are a result of the non-parenting that wishy-wash liberals give their kids.

[Krupski]

Grandma made me sit in the corner. I took toys and from and grounded my nieces, worked fine for me. Except their mom would cave as soon as she showed up.

Grounding, taking away of toys, time outs, taps on the head, swats on the backside, and on very rare occasions, spanking worked well for my daughter.

Most of the time it was totally unnecessary, a simple look, or a finger resting on the back of her head and she knew she had to straighten up and fly right.

And she knew full well if she didn't, then her day would get worse.

My dad "spanked" me all the time. Not a light "swat" with a newspaper, but a several good belts with a shaving strop.

It stung like hell... but he never "hurt" me. I never had welts or bruises, just a red ass for 10 minutes.

And 99% of the time, I deserved it. I hated it then, but I understand it now... and I think any parent that DOESN'T spank their kid when they need it is doing them a terrible disservice.

My dad used to say "this will hurt me more than it hurts you" and I used to think "what the hell are you trying to make a joke of it and piss me off more?", but again now I know what he meant.

It's very difficult to smack a child on the rear and see your baby boy or girl well up in big tears and then come back for a hug.

No matter how old they are they are always "my baby".

[Krupski]

I would have told the bitch in a loud voice to shut up and sit down.

But the real problem with children in our society is the safety razor.

Now that most fathers and grandfathers no longer own a strop, the kids have gone to hell!

LOL!! My dad had one... and he didn't sharpen straight razors with it........

[Krupski]

All Pat Garrett needs is a "grooming purpose" razor with limited cutting surface.

Why would you need a "weapon" like a straight razor? You plan on going on a cutting spree through a school or something?

Only the police and military should have straight razors.

(in the politician's booming monotone voice): NOBODY...NEEDS....A... STRAIGHT...RAZOR....TO.... SHAVE! (cue thunderous applause from the sad liberals)

[Krupski]

If you were a little older, you would realize that to shave with a straight, you need a large, leather razor srtrop to keep it sharp.


That strop was a multi purpose tool, essential for rearing children.

You didn't get the saracasm.

[Krupski]

Back of the head swats were for rude behavior. (Standing in line at the grocery store she loudly remarked "That lady has a huge butt" about the woman in front of us). They weren't hard hits obviously, just attention getters

For me, swats on the back of the head were for stupid, bonehead things.

For example, one day my dad and I were flying and he said "take her up to 5" (5000 feet). We normally flew at around 2000, so 5 was quite a bit higher.

When we got there, he said "give me a 360 to the left", so I rolled left, doled out just enough rudder and elevator to coordinate the turn and went around the circle.

When I rolled out he said immediately "give me another 360 to the left".

I was so fixated on the turn and bank indicator, trying to keep the turn perfect, that I didn't notice my AIRSPEED was draining away.

So about 1/4 of the way into the second turn, the airplane shuddered, the left wing dropped and then the nose dropped straight down. I stalled the airplane!

Now, the stick usually has some resistance on it due to the air flowing over the controls, but when I stalled there was virtually no air flowing so the stick felt limp.

I thought a cable broke and we were going to die.

Staring straight down at the ground, I instinctively pulled the stick all the way back and of course nothing happened.

Then I felt my dad push the stick so I raised my hands over my head to signal "you've got it" and he pushed the stick full FORWARD (completely against instinct).

We kept dropping towards the ground building up airspeed and finally we pulled out of the straight down dive at about 2500 feet.

Just as I was thinking "cool, we're not going to die" my dad whacked my upside the head and yelled "you just learned the most important lesson - WATCH YOUR DAMN AIRSPEED!".

Never made that mistake again.

[El Jefe]

And your reply is what I've come to expect from conservatives, you expect people are going to do what you say just because you said it...it's all just hot air.

Trading in stereotypes I see. Gee, I would have thought the smartest, most enlightened guy in the room, would have been beyond that, guess not.

[Krupski]

My mom used to work us over with a razor strap. The term razor strap was frightening enough. The problem with her was no instruction or resolution to the beatings. She did it mostly out of frustration and anger and I still remember the way she treated me to this day. There was no love behind the correction.

Well that's different than my dad. I got spanked a lot, but I deserved most of them and he never did it out of anger. In fact, he looked a bit hurt feelings (which I used to think was a game just to piss me off). Now I know that it DID hurt him more than it hurt me.

[Kadmos]

A parent may wish to explain a decision, but they sure as hell are not required to provide the explanation. I am the parent. The child's well being is MY responsibility and if I decide "X", then "X" it is and I don't need to "explain" or "justify" it (other than maybe "you like living here? Then it's by my rules").

If you want it to be effective, or a lesson, then the kid has to know why they need to do something, or at the very least what will happen if they don't.

Saying "Shut up" generally isn't enough. Unless it's already been well established what will happen if they don't.

"Shut up or you're going to have a bad day" is probably enough.

Or "Quiet down or you're going to get a smack" will do.

Most of the time once it's established a simple "We don't behave like that" generally works and is acceptable in any company.

I'm not saying everything has to be a long discussion about feelings and proper behaviour, but at the least, if you want it to be effective, the kid has to understand that if it doesn't listen then things are going to go badly.

[Pat Garrett]

Just as I was thinking "cool, we're not going to die" my dad whacked my upside the head and yelled "you just learned the most important lesson - WATCH YOUR DAMN AIRSPEED!".

Never made that mistake again.

Actually two lessons to be learned here.

!. Watch your airspeed.

2. Most folks (not just kids) only learn the important things in life by being allowed to make mistakes and get the sh!t scared out of them.

[Krupski]

Actually two lessons to be learned here.

!. Watch your airspeed.

2. Most folks (not just kids) only learn the important things in life by being allowed to make mistakes and get the sh!t scared out of them.

Oh yeah, I learned that lesson. It's carved into my brain.

Honestly, I'm surprised that my dad only had me go up to 5000 feet. If I were doing it, I would say "go to 10".

I'd prefer a LITTLE bit more distance between the airplane and the ground... because the ground ALWAYS wins.