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    Quote Originally Posted by 5.56NATO View Post
    I bet the pilots took those 20 brilliant electronic warfare experts who were on that jet to new, however more forced, employment. Plus hey, free jet!
    I wonder if some government tested a new anti-aircraft focused EMP beam of some sort...........

    They whacked the electronics and let it crash.

    Maybe it took several "shots" to totally disable the plane.

    First the radio died, then the transponder, then the whole fly-by-wire computer.

    As Bugs would say, "It's a possibility".

    (for the reading comprehension challenged, I am not saying this IS what happened, I'm 1/2 jokingly (and 1/2 seriously) saying this is what MAY have happened).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rshaneck2002 View Post
    Long way to fly to the US without refueling, CIA had better get off it's dead ass, and evidently the NSA ain't all that now are they? Passengers DEAD! That's why whoever went up 45,000 ft, they took out any fight, knocks them out without pressure or worse, kills them outright. This has to be an inside job in collusion with someone else. They won't hit the Chinese, they unlike us would blow the living hell out of any base country this plane comes from, now comes the next target in the west, Europe would be my guess. Repainted with colors of the country they plan to hit, if this it isn't over yet that is? There will be hell to pay if chemicals (or worse) are loaded on this aircraft. I do not believe a word of what the press is reporting right now, not one.
    You don't need to go to 45K to knock out people. At 20 to 25K, people will pass out. At 45K, people will die and stay dead. At around 65K the boiling point of water and normal human body temperature are equal (obviously a BAD thing).

    10 to 12K is the accepted safe unpressurized limit.
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    For what it's worth, a 777 has a max range of about 9000 miles with just under 400 people aboard. That includes baggage. Strip it bear, and install a few hundred or even thousand pounds of explosives (what ever type you desire) and you have an aircraft that can really reach out and touch someone. Add a few aux-tanks and the range can be even further.

    On the other hand, if they flew inland into a remote area of China at below radar altitude, the wreckage could be years before being found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    For what it's worth, a 777 has a max range of about 9000 miles with just under 400 people aboard. That includes baggage. Strip it bear, and install a few hundred or even thousand pounds of explosives (what ever type you desire) and you have an aircraft that can really reach out and touch someone. Add a few aux-tanks and the range can be even further.

    On the other hand, if they flew inland into a remote area of China at below radar altitude, the wreckage could be years before being found.
    If you assume the average weight of a person is 150 lbs and you have 400 people, that's 60,000 pounds or 30 tons.

    If you're going to replace passengers with explosives... holy crap!!! 30 tons!
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    That is just passengers, now add the weight of their baggage.

    The Basic 777 can carry over 400,000 pounds of passenger, freight and fuel. A light aircraft with max fuel can stretch to 9000 miles. As configured I would guess MH370 to have a max range of about 4500 miles, which if you look at the last known location, they could have gone well into China, turned around and made northern Australia, and any area with a runway around 7000 feet long, which is really more than enough to get a fully fueled but otherwise empty 777 safely off the ground.

    That plane can be anywhere, so my question, with spy sats capable of counting dimples on a golf ball, why aren't we using our space hardware to help locate the plane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post

    That plane can be anywhere, so my question, with spy sats capable of counting dimples on a golf ball, why aren't we using our space hardware to help locate the plane?
    They are currently too busy spying on citizens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan1983 View Post
    They are currently too busy spying on citizens...
    I started to laugh, and then realized the probable truth in your statement.

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    Yeah......Ok. So, from say, IRAN, wonder what the chances become reaching America? ISRAEL should be alarmed right now. If it could have made it as far as Kazakhstan, it could have made it to Iran......And Iran has proven its cyberwarefare abilities. Maybe its in Iran.....Thats scary to me.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    That is just passengers, now add the weight of their baggage.
    Still. Even a FEW tons will make quite a bang.

    As far as satellites... I don't know what the ultimate capabilities of US and foreign satellites are, but I'm sure they can see infrared, ultraviolet, ionizating radiation, radar, doppler (changes in the movement of air or water) and God-knows what else.

    Should be easy for "them" to find it... if they know what to look for.

    Maybe it's already been found (or they always knew) and being kept hush-hush because it was a government test (US or otherwise) of some type of focused "anti-aircraft energy beam" like microwaves, laser, an EMP or whatever.

    It's easy to make a TERAWATT (or much higher) pulse of energy for a very short period of time and maybe that's all it takes to fry a fly-by-wire commercial aircraft system. Maybe it was test, and unfortunately successful.

    I'm sure civilian aircraft are not "hardened" against that kind of thing like military aircraft (probably) are.

    IF (note I said IF) that's the case, then "they" will never "find" anything.
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    I went through these scenarios over dinner with my wife last night, romantic I know.

    1. Pilot suicide. Turning off the transponder and changing course doesn't make sense to me for this one. Pilots have a sense of duty and responsibility for the crew and passengers. I would expect that even a pilot in a suicidal state of mind wouldn't be able to turn this off completely. I would think that the pilot would have just dumped the plane in a convenient spot in the ocean. Why take it to a place where no one can find it? That doesn't make sense. I would think that a suicidal pilot would still want the families of the passengers to be able to find the bodies of their loved ones. I suppose if the pilot was ashamed of his actions and knew the black box would eventually be found if the plane went down somewhere over its planned route he might try to hide it.

    2. Hijacking for ransom. I would expect that we would have heard from the hijackers by now unless something went wrong. Maybe the passengers realized that the plane was being hijacked and took over the cockpit and crashed it. Maybe the pilot was still in the picture and eventually crashed the plane. I don't think they needed this amount of time to move the passengers. Sneaking a jumbo jet into a country's airspace and finding a landing field big enough to part a 777 on is something that would require an already friendly government. I doubt your could do this in a first world country and then sneak the passengers out of the airport. So I don't think this is the scenario.

    3. Crash the plane for terrorism. This doesn't make sense either. We should have heard from the terrorists group by now. Its not terrorism if no one knows about it. Why turn the transponder off and change course? This doesn't make it any more terrifying.

    4. Hijack plane for the plane itself to use it for some other nefarious purpose. I suppose this is possible. They could have dumped the crew and passengers out of the back of the plane. Again see point 2. I think it would be hard to find a place to land a jumbo jet that wouldn't immediately raise red flags. Especially a jumbo jet that just went missing. Also you have to do the same thing again to use the plane as a weapon. I assume this transponder that got switched off is specific to the plane and identifies it. So how do you sneak this into someone else's airspace who is probably looking for it? Sneak it in with it off and its an unidentified bogie and will probably get an F16 escort and will probably get shot down when they read the tail numbers.


    Honestly I think #2 seems most likely, and likely that something went wrong in the middle of it. I think #1 doesn't make sense, #3 doesn't make sense, and #4 would be too hard to pull off and require too much skill and resources. Too risky I don't think it is a realistic plan for some jihadis. Unless they are stupid, but I don't think that a couple of morons could pull it off even half way.



    There is a scenario #5 which is the only logical conclusion;
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    The officials might actually be able to begin looking at plane parts in the very near future.

    http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2014/...g-malaysia-jet

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    4. Hijack plane for the plane itself to use it for some other nefarious purpose. I suppose this is possible.
    Maybe someone just wanted an airplane.

    Me personally, I'd prefer a Piper J-3 or a Curtis JN-4, but a passenger jet would be neat too. I've never flown a multi engine aircraft.......
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    Bad enough when someone wants to commit suicide so they go into a school or mall and start shooting innocent people, but when the pilot of a huge jetliner or some terrorist decides to do it, he gives a new meaning to mass murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Bad enough when someone wants to commit suicide so they go into a school or mall and start shooting innocent people, but when the pilot of a huge jetliner or some terrorist decides to do it, he gives a new meaning to mass murder.
    It takes a special kind of idiot to do something like this. Hope they enjoy their 72 male goats in hell.

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    And the obvious answer, from the left, is...

    http://www.tpnn.com/2014/03/24/you-j...oner-or-later/

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Bad enough when someone wants to commit suicide so they go into a school or mall and start shooting innocent people, but when the pilot of a huge jetliner or some terrorist decides to do it, he gives a new meaning to mass murder.
    Yes.

    People literally entrust their very lives to some professions: doctors & airline pilots immediately come to mind. If a person is suicidal okay; at least be a man about it and stick a pistol in your mouth, don't murder hundreds of innocents because you've made the decision to terminate your own existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    Again, they will have to refuel it...... Where is it going to land? Guam? Hawaii? India? Germany?
    Africa ---> South America ---> Mexico ---> hello USA.
    Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guyana, Brazil.... I don't know much about these countries but I'm guessing enough cash in the right hands could help a large jet pass through unnoticed
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