Sure...the right put those laws into place because they never intended to use them, but the left is horrible for using them. Get real. You think the NSA didn't start this shit under Bush? Bush wasn't trying to indefinitely detain people, or have them tried by military tribunal...damn must be great to have such a short memory.Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable
Still doesn't change the fact that it's the party of WACO and Ruby Ridge that's turning them inward, rather than towards America's real enemies.
You sure you really want to own that turn of fascism?
Last edited by Oswald Bastable; 06-11-2014 at 01:46 AM.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
When you control the counting of the votes, what does it matter?
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Pretty sure the folks from Waco and Ruby Ridge leaned more towards your party.
The government response those folks got wasn't fascism, it was rather patient in fact considering the folks were trying to have a gun battle with the US government.
I've said before, both parties suck...but yours wrote the Patriot Act. Don't even try to pretend the Republican party isn't 3/4ths full of loons, bought and paid for politicians, and people who want to micromanage nearly every aspect of people's personal lives.
Again...still doesn't change the fact that it was the socialist party that used, and is now using, those laws to target basically honest and law abiding citizens with made up crimes.
In Koresh's case it was trumped up child abuse, in Randy Weaver's case, a question of millimeters in barrel length...and for that your beloved government murdered numerous folk. You must be so proud. And in both cases the gov't could have easily avoided any controversy by simply apprehending the egregious lawbreakers while they were out and about...yet chose to hold confrontations destined to lead to the deaths of many...
Oh, you must be so proud...as it all rolls around again, you must relish the anticipated death of innocents in the name of socialist aims...the subjugation of the public...it must be giving you an enormous woody...I know it is...and you know it too.
You were likely salivating over the Cliven Bundy situation...so sorry it didn't result in the multiple deaths of the evil right that you were hoping for.
Last edited by Oswald Bastable; 06-11-2014 at 02:32 AM.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Both sides should know better than to think whatever policies they set won't end up being abused by the other party down the road. A good example: many Democrats right now are calling for filibuster perform, so that a simple majority of votes cast in the Senate will be enough to advance legislation without needing the 60-vote super-majority threshold for cloture. Of course, once Republicans take back the Senate (which is quite likely in low-turnout off-presidiential-year elections like this year's) the shoe will be on the other foot, and they can get away with slim-majority mob rule as well.
I don't think "socialism" means what you think it means. Look it up in the dictionary some time....you must relish the anticipated death of innocents in the name of socialist aims...
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
yeah they probably did lean toward just leave me alone. weaver could have been taken in town, the same with Koresh (?).
as far as micromanage....... what you can drive, how power is made, salt amounts, size of soda drinks, light bulbs, magazine size, if and where people smoke, I don't know if I understand your focus.
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
as far as what socialism means read animal farm. or listen to spock when he says the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few or the one. but he was in deep space.
they are different things. would you place yourself in the barn or the house? remember the house was guarded. why?
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
Nice try.
What...too soon? Not enough deaths from natural causes to take the limelight from your socialist mentors yet?
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
ask lagc a question Oswald. he never answers. he can't.
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
Not your disjointed "questions," that's for sure.
Oswald sounds just like Hannity, always trying to steer the conversation back to his particular talking points.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Of course not...only real people can answer questions. Lefty is not a real person...he's an approximation of one posing as a real person...as are all leftists....it's part of the psychosis.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Good show...try to divert by comparing to someone you feel you can denigrate...marvelous...Not your disjointed "questions," that's for sure.
Oswald sounds just like Hannity, always trying to steer the conversation back to his particular talking points.
Typical bullshit from a liar who's unable to respond.
That you Nancy Pelosi...loon extraordinaire?
Last edited by Oswald Bastable; 06-11-2014 at 03:11 AM.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
a lot of questions I have asked you in the past were straight forward. neverNot your disjointed "questions," that's for sure.
Oswald sounds just like Hannity, always trying to steer the conversation back to his particular talking points.
a clear or disjointed answer.
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
Because you don't know what you're talking about.
Animal Farm was a critique of Communism, not socialism. Eric Blair (George Orwell) self-identified as a democratic socialist.
When someone makes such ridiculous claims and passes them off as loaded questions, it's hard to take them seriously.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
And you're a major dumbass...socialism and communism are the same thing, for all intents and purposes...they both lead to the same end...totalitarianism...
But another nice attempt on your part to divert...
Shall we get back to how the leftists are currently using laws passed by both parties to turn the US into a fascist state?
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
You mean back to your preferred talking point and narrative? No thanks.
This thread is about Hillary anyway. And I won't deny she's trying to help usher in a fascist state.
Fascism being defined as:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism?s=t— n
1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism
2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc
3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism
[C20: from Italian fascismo , from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces ]
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Israel uber alles is a very popular song amongst judeonazis.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
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