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Thread: Congrats, Virginia! You Just Replaced Eric Cantor With an Even More Moderate Majority Leader

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    Arrow Congrats, Virginia! You Just Replaced Eric Cantor With an Even More Moderate Majority Leader

    The conventional wisdom swirling around D.C. is that next week, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., will be elected House majority leader. Like any good Machiavellian, McCarthy reacted to the news of incumbent majority leader Eric Cantor’s primary defeat on Tuesday by immediately moving to consolidate his own support within the Republican caucus and freeze out his potential rivals. One of those rivals, Jeb Hensarling of Texas, announced yesterday that he would not be seeking the position. That left the lone figure of Rep. Pete Sessions, R-Texas, to stand in McCarthy’s way, but he also stood down late Thursday night.

    For an average person, none of this really matters. But for conservative activists, it really matters. They succeeded in taking out Cantor, striking a blow at the leadership they felt was abandoning their conservative principles. And after scoring that huge victory, the establishment is throwing it right back in their faces.

    McCarthy, the current majority whip, is no more loved by the hard right than Cantor is. As a member of the leadership, he voted for many of the same pieces of legislation that got Cantor in trouble with the conservative base. He’s a stronger advocate for immigration reform than Cantor ever was. He’s shown a willingness to work to “fix” the Affordable Care Act rather than just agitate for its full repeal. That’s more than enough to earn himself the RINO stamp, and the right is not happy at his likely ascendance.

    Erick Erickson reacted by calling the GOP “the stupid party” and attacked House Republicans for elevating McCarthy, who is “not a friend of conservatives.” Erickson laid out an indictment of McCarthy that was so thorough that it attacked McCarthy for raising the debt ceiling twice in three sentences.


    http://www.salon.com/2014/06/13/gop_...to_lead_house/

    Well played, Tea Party! Now instead of a total obstructionist as majority leader, we have a real deal-maker in Kevin McCarthy.

    Looks like Obamacare is here to stay, and amnesty is only a few months away... what a coup!
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Well played, Tea Party! Now instead of a total obstructionist as majority leader, we have a real deal-maker in Kevin McCarthy.
    If true, then good. We could use a few more reasonable people in politics. And the party needs to swing back towards the middle before it implodes

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    So you really think VA voters got rid of Cantor in order to put McCarthy in his place? Please dude, get real.

    As far as the Republican party goes we'll take care of our own, you worry about your party. Common guys, you got enough to worry about in your own house to worry about ours.
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    Indeed, Richard. It's just that these guys are probably going to take over the Senate in November and control both chambers of Congress, so their leadership is going to be front and center.

    I bet if amnesty happens at all, it will be during the "lame duck" session after the November elections, when none of them are worried about getting re-elected for another couple years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    So you really think VA voters got rid of Cantor in order to put McCarthy in his place? Please dude, get real.

    As far as the Republican party goes we'll take care of our own, you worry about your party. Common guys, you got enough to worry about in your own house to worry about ours.
    This^ Kadmos, when you say moderate we all know you mean people that will vote with scumbags like Pelosi, you no longer fool anyone that you're a "moderate". Don't worry about the R party, we're going to slowly take it back from D's pretending to be R's. Your party has done a good job of infiltrating, I'll give you that, but people are waking up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Indeed, Richard. It's just that these guys are probably going to take over the Senate in November and control both chambers of Congress, so their leadership is going to be front and center.

    I bet if amnesty happens at all, it will be during the "lame duck" session after the November elections, when none of them are worried about getting re-elected for another couple years.
    And when they do, they will have sucessfully destroyed the Republican party. Nice Job BTW LAGC, you guys have done a very good job along with the media of turning half the R party into communists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post

    Well played, Tea Party! Now instead of a total obstructionist as majority leader, we have a real deal-maker in Kevin McCarthy.
    Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but, the "Tea Party" had nothing to do with Cantor's loss. The tea party snoids refused to help out Brat.

    This was true grass-roots disaffection from the local electorate. Cantor managed to pissed off his own base.
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    Sorry LAGC, bubble burst:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...cmp=latestnews

    Idaho Rep. Raul Labrador confirmed Friday he was entering the race to be the next House majority leader

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    This^ Kadmos, when you say moderate we all know you mean people that will vote with scumbags like Pelosi, you no longer fool anyone that you're a "moderate". Don't worry about the R party, we're going to slowly take it back from D's pretending to be R's. Your party has done a good job of infiltrating, I'll give you that, but people are waking up.
    When I say moderate I mean not batshit crazy like half the tea party types (think Michele Bachmann), people who might actually have independents voting Republican instead of staying home or running away as fast as they can.

    I gave an honest try at dipping my toe into the republican party, but the party has gone crazy, it now rewards people the crazier they are. All they do is call each other Rino's or traitors and scramble further and further to the right.

    I'm not saying there aren't plenty of loons on the left, but at least most are of the fairly harmless "try to ban big gulp types", not "tear apart the government types".

    Sorry but the R's need to mellow the fuck out, the far right will always show up, the middle won't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons
    So you really think VA voters got rid of Cantor in order to put McCarthy in his place? Please dude, get real.
    I think VA has no choice in the matter. Once they dropped Cantor, the majority leader position can go to any Republican that the party chooses. Cantor was frontrunner for speaker of the house also, would have been a bigger win for VA.

    The voters don't get to chose who fills those positions, the other republican congressmen do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons
    As far as the Republican party goes we'll take care of our own, you worry about your party. Common guys, you got enough to worry about in your own house to worry about ours.
    Yup, you take care of them...by eating them apparently. The party is fractured all to hell, they spend most of their time calling their leadership RINO's as they tear at each other.

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    Your bullshit just never stops does it? Try to ban big gulp types are the same ones trying to ban semi autos just like the Muslim in chief you voted for. They are in fact the most dangerous to freedom. Did you get your talking points on Bachmann straight from your employers or just MSNBC this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Your bullshit just never stops does it? Try to ban big gulp types are the same ones trying to ban semi autos just like the Muslim in chief you voted for. They are in fact the most dangerous to freedom. Did you get your talking points on Bachmann straight from your employers or just MSNBC this time?
    We should just ban everything the government says you can't have or do. Oh wait...that's been tried before...seems that also banned Jews, and that didn't work out so well for Kadmos' people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Your bullshit just never stops does it? Try to ban big gulp types are the same ones trying to ban semi autos just like the Muslim in chief you voted for. They are in fact the most dangerous to freedom. Did you get your talking points on Bachmann straight from your employers or just MSNBC this time?
    Obviously I don't want to vote for people trying to ban guns. Most aren't able to, so they deal with petty shit, or you know trying to run the country. The republicans on the other hand seem to not want the country to run at all, because it might make Obama look decent.

    As to Bachmann, I just listened to her speak. She's an imbecile. She can barely manage to form a cohesive sentence most of the time. There are some (many actually) people on the left side of the isle that I don't like, but they all seem to be able to (usually) form sentences.

    How on earth does a party let someone like her become "leadership"?

    I normally try to give people the benefit of the doubt, or at least speak respectfully about them, but between her and Palin, they both just make me embarrassed for our country. I would literally rather have Obama than either one of those numbskulls as president. I would rather have Bush back over either of them...or Carter, or Bush Sr.

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    yep, some people can form sentences. just like when they are talking about the 57 states we have.
    While no one ever listens to me,
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    yep, some people can form sentences. just like when they are talking about the 57 states we have.
    If was just the occasional screw up then I'm fine giving someone the benefit of the doubt, when I watched that clip it was obvious that he was doing the math and screwed it up. I gave Bush a pass on his made up words, I make up words all the time. But with her it's like every single sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    If was just the occasional screw up then I'm fine giving someone the benefit of the doubt, when I watched that clip it was obvious that he was doing the math and screwed it up. I gave Bush a pass on his made up words, I make up words all the time. But with her it's like every single sentence.
    Ain't it great we have Joe Biden a heartbeat from the presidency? And gosh, it was even better when Nancy (we have to pass the bill to see what's in it) was a 2nd heartbeat away...

    But attempting to call into question what the definition of is, is? Now that's a rare "little yellow bus" quality desired in all great leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    If was just the occasional screw up then I'm fine giving someone the benefit of the doubt, when I watched that clip it was obvious that he was doing the math and screwed it up. I gave Bush a pass on his made up words, I make up words all the time. But with her it's like every single sentence.
    ok for some? occasional? 50 is a fact that most do not have to do "the math" on. I make up words also, that is where they come from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    ok for some? occasional? 50 is a fact that most do not have to do "the math" on. I make up words also, that is where they come from.
    57 States was not a screw up, except in terms of it being a freudian slip. This president has proven, from start to finish, that he completely supports is sham and its world domination plans. Nearly every step he's made has been designed to empower is sham. About the only steps one could suggest go against that are the drone strikes in Paki, and the "ostensible" take down of Osama. The former is done for political points, and because he's a sadist who likes watching death via drone video, ordering the strikes as it makes him feel powerful. The later was completely for political points...all for a talking point in his reelection bid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    ok for some?
    Personally I think it's ok for all.

    occasional?
    Yes, occasionally. Most people will screw up a word or two, flubbergast rather than flabbergast, or say billion when they mean million, or Bush coming up with "Misunderestimate". Or people who use irregardless, a word I happen to love.

    50 is a fact that most do not have to do "the math" on.
    This is true, but it's not like he said "There are 57 states in the USA", it had a context.

    First it's obvious that he's tired, you could see that looking at him, and hear it in his voice.

    And it's easy to pretty much see what he is thinking "I've been to every corner of the US (internal thought process:... in the continental US so that's minus 2 so 8..except one, that's 7, and of course 50 states so) all 57 states"

    I'll find the video..



    It's not tough to figure out what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    And it's easy to pretty much see what he is thinking "I've been to every corner of the US (internal thought process:... in the continental US so that's minus 2 so 8..except one, that's 7, and of course 50 states so) all 57 states"
    Amazing...how Kadmos is able to divine the convoluted thought process of a tired political candidate, and come up with something so un-Occam's Razor as to seem completely without merit. Your strategery room must be so AWESOME!!!!
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Amazing...how Kadmos is able to divine the convoluted thought process of a tired political candidate, and come up with something so un-Occam's Razor as to seem completely without merit. Your strategery room must be so AWESOME!!!!
    Actually it's the most likely hypothesis, he was trying to say the whole country, except 1 and those 2 off the continent, it got him to 7, then added the 50 states.

    People do math in odd ways, say you are doing 17 minus 13 in your head. You might count up from 13 to 17 and get four, or you might drop the 10 and count 3 back from 7 and get four.

    If you listen he says "one left to go...one left to go, Alaska and Hawaii I was not allowed to go to." that's the obvious minus three he was thinking, which got him to 7, which he added to 50 states, rather than remembering he needed to drop 10, giving him an actual total of 47 which is beyond doubt what he meant.

    And of course the unglued among us went to "57 Islamic states" and fixated on it like it wasn't just a joke, but some sort of actual thought that he had gone to 57 Islamic states, excepting of course the one he had left to go to, and Alaska and Hawaii, which obviously everyone considers Islamic states.

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