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    Georgia to do warrantless searches for guns in 18,00 homes

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/jac...e-18000-doors/

    This week, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s office announced that they would be installing new security cameras around the city and knocking on more than 18,000 doors, without warrants, as a part of an initiative called “operation ceasefire”.

    Sheriff John Rutherford, Mayor Alvin Brown and Councilwoman Denise Lee made the announcement this Tuesday at a press conference outside of the local Sheriff’s office. The sheriff admitted that many aspects of the program, including the security cameras, would be paid for with money that was taken from victims of the drug war.

    “We’re going to use the drug money we pull out of this neighborhood to protect this neighborhood,” Rutherford said.

    In addition to the aspects of the project which are being funded through asset forfeiture, the department is also asking for tax funding of over 3 million dollars for new officers. The stated goal of this program is to decrease violent crime, most of which is related to the drug trade. However, the violence of the drug war is a direct result of prohibition, and the best way to stop that violence is to end prohibition.

    Mayor Brown said at the press conference that “We must also be tough on the causes of crime. One of the best ways to stop crime is to prevent it.”

    Unfortunately, he does not seem to realize that prohibition is actually one of the main things causing violent crime.

    As explained in this article, 8 reasons to end prohibition of all drugs immediately:

    The steady increase in violent crime over the past few decades is directly correlated with the escalation of the drug war. As we saw during the times of alcohol prohibition, when you ban any inanimate object, you create an incentive for people to get involved in the black market distribution of that object. Since there is no accountability, or means of peaceful dispute resolution within the black market, buyers and sellers are forced to resort to violence as their sole means of handling disagreements.

    Eventually, this violence spills over into the everyday world and effects everyone’s lives. No one could imagine Budweiser and Miller Lite in a back alley gunfight, but less than a century ago during alcohol prohibition, distributors of the drug were involved in shootouts on a regular basis, just as drug gangs are today. Of course, all of this violence came to an immediate end when alcohol was legalized, however, it was not long before the establishment found a new crusade in the drug war, which allowed them to continue the same policy just with different substances.

    At the press conference, there were also many complaints about budget cuts, which may be the true reason behind this seemingly desperate call for action from the police department.

    There is some circumstantial evidence that legalizing drugs actually does reduce violent crime. As we reported this week, the murder rate in Denver was actually cut in half following marijuana legalization.

    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/jac...M6kUT06v4Tx.99

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    I wonder what would happen if the people in 1% of those houses takes up arms and fights back against warrantless searches?

    Also, amazing that the writer of the article seems to understand that with the prohibition on alcohol, crime skyrocketed, and with drugs, wonder of wonders, same issues.

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    Jacksonville is in florida, dude.

    ever heard of the Uni. of Fla. Gators?
    yeah the one that the b team could beat all the
    football teams in the pacific nw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    Jacksonville is in florida, dude.
    Yeah that's what was confusing me. Below are all the Cities that start with a J in Georgia and their counties.

    City----------------------County
    Jackson----------------Butts County
    Jakin-------------------Early County
    Jasper-----------------Pickens County
    Jefferson--------------Jackson County
    Jeffersonville----------Twiggs County
    Jenkinsburg------------Butts County
    Jersey-----------------Walton County
    Jesup------------------Wayne County
    Johns Creek-----------Fulton County
    Jonesboro-------------Clayton County
    Junction City-----------Talbot County

    Jacksonville, FL has a really large Sons of Obama population. Much crime in that part of Jacksonville even back in the 1980's. I lived in Ocala and you'd hear about it.

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    I can't see them getting to all 18k homes, and if those homes are in tha hood, well, I can't see it going smoothly by any sense of the word. You know how law enforcement is viewed in tha hood.
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    they have palm trees and water on the sides of the patrol cars in the video.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

    In a world of snowflakes,
    be the heat..

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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    Jacksonville is in florida, dude.
    Yep.

    I was born there, but left before I was 1yo.


    But that's not the only problem with this story...

    This week, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s office announced that they would be installing new security cameras around the city and knocking on more than 18,000 doors, without warrants, as a part of an initiative called “operation ceasefire”.
    You don't need warrants to knock on doors.


    This is spin. They aren't doing searches, they are knocking on doors, making a show of their presence, and asking if the residents know anything about crime in the area.

    Most of the residents seem pleased they are doing it

    http://www.news4jax.com/Operation-Ceasefire/26106386

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    Yep.

    I was born there, but left before I was 1yo.


    But that's not the only problem with this story...



    You don't need warrants to knock on doors.


    This is spin. They aren't doing searches, they are knocking on doors, making a show of their presence, and asking if the residents know anything about crime in the area.

    Most of the residents seem pleased they are doing it

    http://www.news4jax.com/Operation-Ceasefire/26106386
    Hmmm...must be one of those predominantly conservative white areas...because we all know they are basically terrorists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Hmmm...must be one of those predominantly conservative white areas...because we all know they are basically terrorists...
    I really don't know, or care, what the political or racial makeup of the area is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    I really don't know, or care, what the political or racial makeup of the area is.
    Well of course not...not until it potentially affects you and yours. That is the way narcissism works.
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Well of course not...not until it potentially affects you and yours. That is the way narcissism works.
    It's also how apathy works.

    Or in this case, it's how not being a bigot or paranoid freak works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    It's also how apathy works.
    So which is it? You're apathetic, or narcissistic?
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    So which is it? You're apathetic, or narcissistic?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos
    Or in this case, it's how not being a bigot or paranoid freak works...
    Guess I had one more open window...good night, please don't drive.

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    Victims of the drug war
    I'd need some clarification on this...
    Face your fear, accept your war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEN-32 View Post
    I'd need some clarification on this...
    Yeah, this article needs to be taken with a grain of salt. These "warrantless searches" are actually simple knock-and-talks, where officers go door-to-door speaking with residents. The residents can tell the officers to go pound salt and there is nothing the officers can do about it.

    One thing the author doesn't seem to realize is that a junkie is a junkie, whether drugs are legal or not. You can legalize all the drugs in the world, but a broke junkie is still going to rob, cheat, steal, and kill in order to get money to buy that next hit. The fact that drugs of abuse are illegal does little to change the reality that low-life drug-addicts - and their dealers - can be violent criminals. In reference to the prohibition in the 1920s, I agree that it was a dumb idea. Alcohol is a totally different beast than a lot of the illicit drugs out there.

    Hell, maybe we should legalize all drugs after all. Heroin and pill overdoes alone would help kill off a good chunk of the low-lifes even more than they already do.
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    Sounds like more paranoid bullshit to me. You don't need a warrant to knock on doors. And then, that "reporter" saying we need to invest in our youth by putting money in their pockets and keeping them off the streets. How about making the little bastards get a job. Fucking media. I can't stand to see the news anymore.
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