After you watch one simple movie(true life) like "The Killing Fields" how do you rectify your ideology with your conscience?
After you watch one simple movie(true life) like "The Killing Fields" how do you rectify your ideology with your conscience?
Believe it or not, I'm not a big fan of Communism -- at least, not of the Stalinist/Maoist variety that featured leader-worship as its central tenet.
What happened in Cambodia under Pol Pot or even right now in North Korea under Dear Leader is/was truly unconscionable.
While I do think Karl Marx had some incredibly profound insights into how capitalism works, even he always said that idealistic communism could only be truly realized after capitalism had run its full course -- it was never intended to be jumped straight into by undeveloped, backwards agrarian societies like Russia or China.
I consider myself more of a democratic socialist (like George Orwell / Eric Blair) than anything else, look more towards Scandinavian countries like Sweden/Norway/Denmark as to what role-models I think our economy should strive for.
The "free market" still works pretty well at allocating limited resources efficiently, but has the nasty of side-effect of concentrating wealth into the hands of the few. With a little bit of redistribution of wealth and a strong safety-net for those who fall through the cracks, along with certain sectors of the economy being managed by the government when private industry fails to provide for people, I think we can all enjoy the benefits of a mixed economy -- mostly capitalist, with just a touch of socialism to iron out the wrinkles.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Also, how did the afro get started?
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
This coming from a guy who once started a thread on here defending Stalin. One thing that can be guaranteed about our resident commie trolls is that they will lie at the drop of a hat. Fact.
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You've claimed this before. Link to post or STFU.Originally Posted by El Jefe
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Go suck a dick, bitch. You said it and now won't own it. Since it was pre-crash, I can't link to it and you know it. But, you commies and kooks should never underestimate my memory.
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Were you even here, pre-crash? I know you weren't here back before 2004, unless you went by another handle...
But no, I have never defended Stalin. I have occasionally suggested that things could have very well turned out very differently in the Soviet Union had Trotsky assumed power INSTEAD of Stalin.
Maybe that's what's causing your confusion.
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
Would suggest you look more closely into the economy of Norway before jumping on their bandwagon. Just had a friend return from a couple of weeks there, and while things seem so nice, try buying something as simple as a Big Mac or pizza. Thanks to their high minimum wage, something being pushed here, that Big Mac is over $16 and a standard what we call large pizza around $60!!!
Thought I might point out that great wages have to be made up somewhere, and seemingly higher income levels in the long run are no different when high prices negate the high income.
Shhhh don't expose the scam!
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
Liar.
Returns June 3rd.
Just for you:
"That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E
When you get down to it, what the Khmer Rouge did had pretty much nothing to do with communism, it was about Xenophobia. They were more than happy to murder Chinese communists, Vietnamese communists, or simply any ethnicity they felt didn't belong there.
They murdered the educated because they thought those people were sympathetic to foreigners and would be influenced by foreigners, they went after business people for the same reasons, most trade crossed the borders bringing products in.
The elephant in the room is how we were so influential in creating this situation, the war in Vietnam spilled over into Cambodia, with US soldiers going there, our bombs falling on the wrong side of the border, the North Vietnamese crossing into Cambodia to move soldiers and weapons south. It's not surprising they began to hate foreigners.
The "communist" aspect was simply a way to organize people to work for basically nothing, on the projects those in power wanted done.
Like most of the so called "communist" countries it was really basically a totalitarian dictatorship, with the "promise of a communist utopia" being the carrot aspect of organizing people to work on specific tasks rather than whatever they individually feel benefits them best.
Basically put, the communism of these 3rd world countries is basically nothing more than a scam to focus labor to increase the wealth and control of those in power.
It's actually worse when the leaders buy into it, thinking they are actually going to "help raise up the people". They tend to quickly decide they have too many of the wrong type of people.
On an aside, I can't help but to think that the ideology that was really in play, namely xenophobia, the intense distrust of foreigners, is actually much more tied up with conservatism than it is with communism. The idea of course being to keep our values, culture, language, etc from being "corrupted" by outside influence.
Which kind of brings the question around to you, if I'm not mistaken. I seem to recall you on occasion saying some things about not wanting to be overrun by foreigners, other religions, etc.
If I am correct, and that is your ideology, then how do you rectify that with you conscience?
Unfuckingbelievable.
Returns June 3rd.
Finally some truth in your post....
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
What currency does Norway use exactly.
What's up my nigga's
Will call my friend later this evening and find out. All I know is he complained about having to go grocery shopping and cook in the place he was staying because eating out was beyond belief expensive.
Norwegian Krone, a dollar gets you about 6 of them.
Stuff is known to be expensive for tourists, but the high wage there makes it livable for the locals
They have great societies. They are able to cause they are mostly made up of Western Europeans, but they too will be doomed since they allow the parasites in from mostly third world nations.
Pinko, the cart gets heavy for the worker....
FBHO
MY GOD, kadmosocialist. You aren't even a good liar.
Your above post on cambodia is so RIFE with bullshit it simply astounds me. Jesus. It gets my blood boiling every time I read some assholes comments about how WE caused the rouge. Our 'bombs falling on the wrong side of the border' was in fact Nixon doing what we should have done all along, and attack the damned VC where they went to hide. You, being a socialist fuck like lagsocialist, can't understand that and in fact LIE about it to hide it. You would have given anything I bet to give those vc anti aircraft gunners a lap dance, uh? Maybe flirt with them like your other hero Hanoi Jane? Filthy, disgusting, anti-American things....
They took communism as far as it could go. They MURDERED PEOPLE WHO WERE EDUCATED because they felt education made people UNEQUAL you dumbass, NOT because they felt they would be 'sympathetic to foreigners'. They went by the same playbook you guys hero STALIN did: murder those who do not go along with your plans. People who WORKED for what they had not want to just give it to the goverment? Kill them. Doctor doesn't want to farm? Kill him. Farmer doesn't want, or know how, to play doctor? Kill him. Yeah, you lieing sacks of excretment can doctor it up anyway you want. It doesn't change the FACT that every socialist country in this WORLD killed those who did not go along with it. As simple as that. You two are pure evil. I simply cannot stand this site having you on it. Neither of you own guns, neither of you have ANYTHING IN COMMON AT ALL with other members on this site. All you do here is stir up shit, rub our faces in the destruction you have wrought on our country. Really does enrage me.
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
Anyone care to guess why eurotrash socialism 'works'? Because WE provide them security against all of their threats. Denmark, Norway, France, Britian, Belgium, Germany......All have been able to count on good ol uncle sam to provide a nuclear umbrella to protect them, and to provide tanks, troops, and weaponry to them to keep them OUT of the communist camp. If they had to buy all that crap on their own, think they would be able to afford the welfare and goverment programs they do? No way in hell. And, as we collapde, you will see them collapse right along side us. We spend so much on our military, and they don't have to, because we are sworn and legally supposed to protect them.
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
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