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    US loses Simulated Air War with China

    The Rand Corporation, one of the Defense Department’s most trusted and longest running contractors, was hired by the Pentagon to carry out a computerized and simulated war between China and the US. The results were so horrifying, they were deemed classified, but were leaked to the press. What the computer models showed was that in the most likely scenario for a US-China war, the United States was soundly defeated by the Chinese military.

    Most Americans will immediately and arrogantly close their ears to any suggestion that the US could lose a war to anyone. So, it’s a good thing that war correspondent David Axe and War Is Boring published the step-by-step actions each military takes to show readers exactly how and why America loses. The account, leaked to the media and published by Medium.com, shows how the blame lies squarely on one thing - the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter’s abysmal failure in combat.

    How tomorrows US-China War plays out

    According to the Rand Corporation’s simulations for the US Pentagon, the most likely catalyst for a military confrontation between China and America would be hostilities between China and US-ally Taiwan. Taiwan is already called Chinese Taipei by most of the world because China’s conquest of the populous island is more than half complete. The only thing left to do is neutralize the Taiwanese military so the Chinese can physically occupy their neighbor instead of just exerting political control. And that’s how Rand and the Pentagon believe a US-China war would most likely start.

    The first action, they say, would be a surprise attack by China on Taiwan’s Air Forces to establish immediate control of the air. That would force the US to respond by scrambling its fighter wings based in Japan and Guam to Taiwan to protect the island from a Chinese invasion or a massive bombing campaign on its citizens and ground forces. And that’s where the computer models show the US military completely falling apart, only moments after entering combat against a less-advanced but formidable foe.

    ‘In the scenario, 72 Chinese jets patrolled the Taiwan Strait,’ the report described, ‘Just 26 American warplanes - the survivors of a second missile barrage targeting their airfields - were able to intercept them, including 10 twin-engine F-22 stealth fighters that quickly fired off all their missiles. That left 16 of the smaller, single-engine F-35s to do battle with the Chinese. As they began exchanging fire with the enemy jets within the mathematical models of the mock conflict, the results were shocking.’

    The lesson from the simulated encounter was that the newest and most expense American joint strike fighter - the F-35, ‘was no match for Chinese warplanes. Despite their vaunted ability to evade detection by radar, the JSFs were blown out of the sky.’ The authors reluctantly conceded, “The F-35 is double-inferior.”

    “Can’t turn. Can’t climb. Can’t run.”

    The Lockheed Martin fighter was sold to the American people with the promise that its weapons systems were so advanced, it could shoot enemy planes out of the sky long before enemy radar even picked up the F-35s. And that’s still true. But what happens after the initial few seconds as both air forces are charging directly at each other at the speed of sound? The results were that as soon as the range closed and the F-35s lost their advantage of extreme distance, they were all shot down by Chinese fighters.

    The secret Rand report for the Pentagon wrote, “Inferior acceleration, inferior climb, inferior sustained turn capability. Also has lower top speed. Can’t turn, can’t climb, can’t run.” The military analysts explained that the F-35 would function better as a long-range, mobile missile platform rather than a fighter. The computer models showed that once the jets had lost their element of surprise and launched all their missiles, remaining enemy fighters had no problem clearing them from the sky. The result was the loss of the battle and China’s successful invasion of Taiwan.
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    Not sure I can see this.....
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Just seems like a hit piece from people who hate the 35. And DEEPLY want more of the 22. I can agree that we should invest more in the 22, but I am not sure that means the 35 sucks that bad. Biggest problem I see, with EITHER of them, is that they both seemed to be made purely from Jesus's tears, because they are so damned expensive it boggles my mind. Just cannot understand how they can be that expensive......
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    72 fighter jets against 16...yeah, I can see this. Even if half of the enemy jets got knocked out of the sky in the first few seconds of the fight, that still leaves our guys out numbered more then 2 to 1. Hell, even if we could get the opposition down to a 1/3, our guys would have to shoot almost all their payload to ensure that. By the time they would get into spitting distance, the Chinese could still have most of their armament. Add on to the fact that while our guys have to come from Japan, Guam, and such to bring the fight, the Chinese would have a lot less distance to travel with assets ready to roll at a moments notice. In order to win in the air, we would have to deploy some Navy assets to the area to achieve success. Then they respond with their own navy and so on and so on, wash rinse repeat. It's just scary thinking about it.

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    Ha. So what have we spelled out? Is anyone going to say it? What would all of this likely lead to?
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Our biggest mistake, at this point, is in not reaching out hardcore to the Indians, Vietnamese, heck all of S.E. Asia. China doesn't want a war with India. Especially teamed up against all of us.

    Hell, none of us want war. I strongly believe if any of this happens someones going to 'pop the cork'.....
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    It's not like the Chinese are still using MiG21s, they have stolen or purchased the very best in fighter technology or had some of it given them by klinton during his regimes, thusly they're not that far behind the US or west in general in fighter technology. I expect the outcome they came to in this wargame is closer to reality than desired. Meaning they'd defeat us the same way we defeated Germany, by piling on the weapons and men and taking horrific losses to win. For example, our carrier task forces will be faced with hundreds or thousands of missiles and torpedoes, nots tens and twentys as the Chinese know volley fire is hard to defend against. Also China has lots of "surplus" men to lose to our high brow form of warfare. The f22 however could have been a war winner if enough had been made.
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    If (when) they go after Taiwan, all debts are off, and we start dumping money into F22's.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    If (when) they go after Taiwan, all debts are off, and we start dumping money into F22's.
    Not with the current traitor in office.
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    Nothing like a rigged computer test. Just like Algore and his simulation.

    Why didn't they throw in the F15, F16, or F18? Oh wait, throwing in the true proven front line aircraft might have given them a scenario that wouldn't give the desired results. Yep, using the right statistics you can prove anything.

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    Awesome point. Our 'Old' fighters are more than a match for the Chinese aircraft.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Wonder how many F117 bombers could be pulled out of mothballs?
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Article screams****Military Industrial Complex is broke and needs more money****

    Our politicians would try to run WW3 from their secret lavish bunkers and ultimately it will be their dipshit outside the earth thinking that will destroy this nation, well them and the lack of mass quantity production; cause everything is so "advanced" that the lead times for production is 6 months out.
    FBHO

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    Over-confidence can be a dangerous thing. When it comes down to it, it isn't going to be just China against us either.

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    The US military is also one of the most experienced and well trained militaries in the world and to a point that is more important than the technology.

    In the scenario they described would it really be the F-35 sent out toe to toe or a combo with F-1x's? I think I would agree that the point of the test being "leaked" had more to do with funding than reality.

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