I was waiting for someone else to bring this up but no one did. Something about this case makes me think there is more to it than meets the eye. With a bar full of people who know each other it would kind of seem someone being sucker punched would have been noticed but apparently not. Was the point of the punching out Jessie story just to sell books?
My take is he believed the official 911 story and so on as opposed to Ventura, and figured he'd make points with neocons and other koolaid drinkers by lying about Ventura.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
From what I've heard 11 Seals testified that Kyle did indeed punch Ventura because he was shooting off his mouth against the US and the statements about the Seals need to lose a few etc. In light of 11 people saying they heard and saw the situation, how a jury can award for Ventura boggles my mind. They will appeal, I hope they win this time.
Ventura is a worthless piece of shit. Dishonors himself greatly. Especially sueing a WIDOW.....
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
he didn't "sue" a widow he sued the estate, which had been going for years. also heard the publisher of the book is going to remove referenceOriginally Posted by Ruskiegunlover
to that bar fight. I haven't seen or read about 11 other SEALS but all seems murky. I also read that the jury for or against did not have to be unanimous
and both sides agreed.
Last edited by l921428x; 07-31-2014 at 12:56 AM.
While no one ever listens to me,
I am constantly being told to be quiet.
In a world of snowflakes,
be the heat..
My take...
Terry “Mother” Moy was Jesse's trainer when Jesse went through BUD's. "Mother" is a staple in the SEAL community and in fact the famous bell that is rang for dropouts was Moy's ideal and it happens that Jesse's class was the first class to have the bell.
Terry "Mother" Coy reportedly gave Jesse an "order" to continue the lawsuit cause Moy was pissed that a member of the unique group could fib on a brother for financial gain. See Jesse was going to drop the suit but was pressed on by old school "silent warriors". As to where the money is going? He (Jesse) racked up millions in lawyer fees and the Kyles had insurance that covered their legal team.
What did this stop for Ventura? It stopped whoever decides to do a movie on Kyle's book from possibly putting that chapter on the big screen...
FBHO
Even though I don't like him, that last point is a valid one. I have no use for ventura, and have no reason to doubt the story as it appeared in Kyles book. Ventura is the textbook definition for a guy who would NEVER admit to loosing a fight, or he comes across strongly that way.
And personally, I see no difference bwteen sueing a widow and her 'estate'. No difference. After his death, is the estate hers? Yes. So sueing the 'estate' is just a pc way of saying sueing a Navy SEAL's widow, which is a jackass move. He needs to pull his big boy pants on, and forget it. We all know he killed the predator in 1987, so he has nothing to prove......oops......Ok, THAT killed him too.....
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
I'd add that he is also taking money from Kyles FAMILY, his son. Thats another really jackassed thing about this.
"What sick, barbaric bastards.
It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?
Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "
So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....
Please help me understand this. He sued, and won, for "defamation of character", correct? That had to do
with a bar fight with Kyle that Kyle mentioned in his book. Is that it? He and Kyle were in a bar fight and
he sued, and won, for defamation of character?
Specific testimony seems to be lacking in the news reports. It seems 100% clear that at a book signing the day after the incident Ventura did not have a black eye or any other sign of having been hit in the face.
Not a fight per se. Kyle claimed he sucker punched Ventura because he was bad mouthing SEALS and bad mouthing the war in Iraq in a bar after a funeral for a fallen SEAL. Ventura claims he was not even at the bar when the incident was supposed to have happened.
So, Kyle didn't have witnesses saying that Ventura WAS there that day? The bartender didn't remember someone getting punched, especially someone
as "famous" as Ventura?
The specific witnesses and their testimony were not described in any of the news reports I read and I read several. So much for news reporting in the 21st century.
Thinking about it, there are any number of old dudes who could pass for Ventura in a bar, especially when you're a drunk easily pissed off SEAL. Ventura double talks smack, SEAL attacks, case closed. My guess is it never happened.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
Which would make Kyle a liar, which would make me sad. But, I guess?
Based on the following link either Kyle was a liar, a murderer, or (if neither) his estate can now sue the Washington Post for defamation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...ory/?tid=hp_mm
The story of his truck getting carjacked is full of WTF...Even the local LEO in that jurisdiction called BS on that story.
FBHO
“The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one,” the New Yorker reported. “…He and another sniper traveled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceed to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos.” The magazine said one conversation participant said Kyle “claimed to have shot thirty men on his own,” while another said Kyle and the other killed 30 between them.The article's conclusion sounds realistic. I have to believe that someone who would beat people's asses in bars in order to maintain a public image of badassery would also tell a few fishing stories, but for a sniper with 160 confirmed kills, the fishing stories would have to be pretty outlandish. And I think these stories would qualify as being pretty outlandish.Does that mean it didn’t happen? Who knows. It’s certainly possible that Kyle killed two Texan thieves and their bodies disappeared. And it’s also possible Kyle killed 30 armed assailants in New Orleans to protect its residents in Katrina’s aftermath. But it’s also possible Kyle couldn’t let go of his own legend, and, in a haze of post-traumatic stress, let his tales veer into untruth.
"I'm fucking furious, I'm violently angry, and I like it. If you don't know what that feels like then I feel bad for you"
I am just reporting what I heard today on the radio.
Glenn Beck was talking about this.
He said that Ventura was never mentioned as to WHOM was punched that day in the book.
It was released on the Opie and Anthony show, which Beck played the audio as to what Ventura said and why he was punched.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjHWovwix4
BISHOP
my take is that Kyle said he did it and Ventura said he was not involved. Ventura said take it back and all is cool and Kyle said no. hence the lawsuit.
ruskie it is not "her" estate it is "the estate" and if you have some intimate knowledge of how "the estate" is set up, please share. if not pc yourself
into the lawyer/judge game that has to do with defamation, copy write laws and all the other stuff that would go on with this kind of trial, this has taken years
and a jury 6 days to make a decision.
I am not being callous here, but just because she is a Navy Seal widow, should have nothing to do with the outcome.
once again not to speak ill, but maybe C Kyle was the man that had to be bigger than he was. all of us have hidden secrets and fantasies, most of us lie to ourselves and others in one form or another.
we do not and cannot know his heart.
Last edited by l921428x; 08-01-2014 at 12:46 AM.
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be the heat..
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