LAGC - Just for you

[Krupski]

http://www.kennethkuhn.com/writings/antisocialism


I particularly like this part:

• You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
• What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
• The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
• When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care
of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to
get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
• You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

[alismith]

He won't understand it; it makes too much sense.

[Goodman]

He won't understand it; it makes too much sense.

Besides that, it's wrong. Have thousands of links to prove it.

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Libtards like to say that things are "common sense" when they are not but when presented with actual common sense they don't understand it.

[Krupski]

This one is great:

A Fifty Dollar Lesson in Socialism

author unknown

I recently asked my friend's little girl what she wanted to be when she grows
up. She said she wanted to be President some day.

Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there, so I asked her,
'If you were President what would be the first thing you would do?' She
replied, 'I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people.'

Her parents beamed.

'Wow! What a worthy goal.' I told her, 'But you don't have to wait until
you're President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the
lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50.

Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs
out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house.'

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in the
eye and asked, 'Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work,
and you can just pay him the $50?'

I said, 'Welcome to the Republican Party.'

Her parents still aren't speaking to me.

[LAGC]

Meh. Who needs wordy blogs or obscure urban legends when an ideology can be summarized in 12 short words:

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

[Oswald Bastable]

He won't understand it; it makes too much sense.

Bingo!

[was_peacemaker]

Meh. Who needs wordy blogs or obscure urban legends when an ideology can be summarized in 12 short words:

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

About every Marxist I have ever known likes to quote that, but they don't realize what its true meaning is. It is honestly saying if your smart enough to be a scientist then your abilities meet the needs of the state, and the state will take care or you in the same manner that, the state takes care of the janitor. It's also saying that one's ability should be focused so little to no progress for the janitor to progress in life beyond his ability. Why would he anyway? He gets the same treatment as the rocket scientist and the Olympian.

[LAGC]

About every Marxist I have ever known likes to quote that, but they don't realize what its true meaning is. It is honestly saying if your smart enough to be a scientist then your abilities meet the needs of the state, and the state will take care or you in the same manner that, the state takes care of the janitor. It's also saying that one's ability should be focused so little to no progress for the janitor to progress in life beyond his ability. Why would he anyway? He gets the same treatment as the rocket scientist and the Olympian.

Isn't it really not true though? I mean, when it boils right down to it, is the scientist really more important than the worker toiling in the fields to help put food on the supermarket shelves so that the scientist can come home and cook dinner and eat without having to go out and hunt/trap/forage food all the time? Or the janitor keeping things tidy and clean so that workers in the same building don't become sick from bacteria or mold growing in a toxic environment with garbage piling up everywhere?

We're all in this rat-race together. Division of labor exists so that we can all specialize in what we are good at, without having to perform all the many other jobs that allow us to efficiently do our own.

I'm not saying everyone necessarily has to be paid the same, but is the CEO of a company really worth 100 times the salary of the average worker who actually gets things done and produces profits for stockholders? Really?

Things that make you go "Hmm..."

[was_peacemaker]

Isn't it really not true though? I mean, when it boils right down to it, is the scientist really more important than the worker toiling in the fields to help put food on the supermarket shelves so that the scientist can come home and cook dinner and eat without having to go out and hunt/trap/forage food all the time? Or the janitor keeping things tidy and clean so that workers in the same building don't become sick from bacteria or mold growing in a toxic environment with garbage piling up everywhere?

We're all in this rat-race together. Division of labor exists so that we can all specialize in what we are good at, without having to perform all the many other jobs that allow us to efficiently do our own.

I'm not saying everyone necessarily has to be paid the same, but is the CEO of a company really worth 100 times the salary of the average worker who actually gets things done and produces profits for stockholders? Really?

Things that make you go "Hmm..."

I have worked a variety of jobs, good and bad. I can tell you there is a reason why a guy at FedEx loading trucks deserves more than a janitor sweeping floors. I have done both. I can tell you why a grocery stocker who has to keep up with product on the shelves, and unload heavy trucks deserves more than the guy who picks the produce. I have done both. I can tell you why a guy who lays down sub floors and hardwood floor and does carpentry deserves more than a dishwasher. I have done both. I can tell you why a educated person on guitars and bass who works in a music store deserves more than a guy who is a cashier. I have done both.

I can tell you why a guy unloading 3,000-5,000 tires by hand out of tractor trailers a day deserves more than a fast food worker. I have done both. I can also tell you why as a musician I don't play for less than $20 bucks an hour. Those who play know what I am talking about.

[LAGC]

Yet generally speaking: the more menial the labor, the lower you get paid.

But by utilizing technology to boost productivity, the average white-collared worker who sits at a desk with a computer gets paid much more than anyone doing most of those shit jobs you mentioned -- jobs that most Americans won't do any more, which is why immigrants are taking them over in droves.

Why should the paper-pusher in a cubicle be worth so much more than someone who busts ass each and every day doing actual physical work?

Just because "supply and demand" and the "invisible hand" of the free-market determine it to be so? Or because someone is better at kissing ass and climbing the corporate ladder versus those who are stuck doing the shit jobs?

So much food for thought...

[LAGC]

Is the Surgeon more important than the janitor. The janitor is responsible for cleaning the surgery suit and putting the bio contam in the solid holding. Others move the used instruments to decontam and sterile processing.

Perhaps you would like YOUR surgeon to go thru med school and take all the risks in a sue happy world while making the same as the housekeeping staff., but not me. I want my doctor rewarded and highly motivated.

We're one of the few First World countries where higher education isn't provided for free like it is with primary/secondary school. The very notion of students graduating college with six-digit student loan debt is unheard of throughout much of Europe. No wonder those who spend 8 years in college demand such high compensation, just to have any hope of paying those loans back.

As they used to say in the old soviet union, you pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

Hey, who launched a satellite and man into orbit first? Certainly not "pretend" work there...

Is socialism will never work because most humans want to advance...we want better cars and better lives. If socialism gives everyone a new car, what happens when one person wears out their car faster? The state gives them a new model and soon everyone will want the same since it is unfair for any one to have something better.

I think it's more about equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. That's where many of the anti-socialist types get tripped up -- they assume everyone has to have the exact same shit, lest they be jealous. But there's nothing incompatible with using the free-market to allocate scarce resources and manage most of the minutiae of the general economy, while still providing a strong safety net for those who fall through the cracks.

[Krupski]

Meh. Who needs wordy blogs or obscure urban legends when an ideology can be summarized in 12 short words:

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

So, let's compare a doctor (the M.D. type) who is married but has no kids to a factory piece-worker who has 3 kids, one of which has a lifelong medical condition that costs a lot.

I'm sure you would agree that the doctor rates higher on the ABILITY scale, while the factory worker rates higher on the NEEDS scale.

Are you saying that the factory worker should "get" more than the doctor?

And, if so, where is "it" supposed to come from? Should the doctor give up part of his high (but earned and deserved) salary to help support the factory worker?

If so, WHY WOULD THE DOCTOR EVEN BOTHER TO BECOME A DOCTOR?

[5.56NATO]

The religion of marxism sounds good on paper but everywhere it's practised it proves that it frees men.
Frees them from their property.
Frees them from their freedom.
Frees them from their lives.

[was_peacemaker]

Yet generally speaking: the more menial the labor, the lower you get paid.

But by utilizing technology to boost productivity, the average white-collared worker who sits at a desk with a computer gets paid much more than anyone doing most of those shit jobs you mentioned -- jobs that most Americans won't do any more, which is why immigrants are taking them over in droves.

Thanks for you're elitism... by the way, none of the jobs I mentioned could be done by illegals, because all those jobs required the worker to be legally capable of working in the USA. I see your trying to dodge the issue and play word salad games by pushing your biased claims with your stance on why illegals should take over our county.

As I pointed out to you before in other posts, you know nothing about minorities when you post about them. Never forget your "I hope you people get justice" post when you claimed to be talking to blacks in D.C about the Trayvon Martin case. Those black folks you said "you people" to probably thought you were crazy. You come across as a backwoods elitist. Come down south to Charlotte, NC, or Hot-lanta, GA and even spew the crap you are spewing and most folks here will see you as someone who is scared to get their hands dirty. Ever worked a manual labor job?

You are beating around the bush with you're answers. If you thing a ER doctor who has to rush in and save a life quick by doing emergency surgery should get the same living standards and pay as the burger flipper than you are one who fails on comprehending reality.

[LAGC]

Thanks for you're elitism... by the way, none of the jobs I mentioned could be done by illegals, because all those jobs required the worker to be legally capable of working in the USA.

I never said "illegals." Just immigrants. And yes, they are taking over most of those menial labor shit jobs, slowly but surely.

Sorry bro, but most of those jobs you listed that you are so proud of pay for shit. Just because Fedex may pay you a dollar more per hour than stocking groceries doesn't mean you can make a living off of it. I assume that's why you are going to school, so that you can hopefully pursue less physically demanding work as a career for better pay? Pardon me if I'm mistaken.

[Krupski]

I never said "illegals." Just immigrants. And yes, they are taking over most of those menial labor shit jobs, slowly but surely.

"Immigrants" are people who came to our Country LEGALLY with the intent of assimilating into American culture and contributing to society as a whole.

For example, my barber came here at age 14 from Italy. He didn't speak a word of English. Now he's 60-something, owns and runs his own little barber shop, has two employees and speaks English just fine (albeit with an Italian accent).

Are these the kind of people you're talking about?

[was_peacemaker]

I never said "illegals." Just immigrants. And yes, they are taking over most of those menial labor shit jobs, slowly but surely.

Sorry bro, but most of those jobs you listed that you are so proud of pay for shit. Just because Fedex may pay you a dollar more per hour than stocking groceries doesn't mean you can make a living off of it. I assume that's why you are going to school, so that you can hopefully pursue less physically demanding work as a career for better pay? Pardon me if I'm mistaken.

You just so contradicted yourself! You assume I go to school, because I want better paying jobs than what I have worked... thus you are implying that is the reason you go to school yourself is, so you can get ahead and make more money.

Oops! That contradicts your whole Marxist quote genius of "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." Because you desire more than a burger flipper, carpenter, truck loader..etc

If that Marx quote was so important than why must you come on here and brag every time you make a good grade? Does that make you feel superior? I think it does and you see yourself as one who is ahead of the crowd to some extent, and you want to be ahead while trying to shove. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." down our throats. Are you serious?!?

Wow! Do you hear yourself?!?

You must think your epic, or the greatest narcissist on the planet. I know managers at grocery stores who have no more than a HS diploma who make more, than many college professors, and actually get more done than all the sociology word salad BS ever could. By immigrants you meant illegals but you are dancing around the bush and playing games. Legal citizens are not taking our low level jobs, illegals working for people who do not care are. I go to school for my passions in theology and history because it my passion.

[Krupski]

Hey, who launched a satellite and man into orbit first? Certainly not "pretend" work there...

The Russians (at that time Soviets) got the first satellite into space and the first human in orbit mostly because the USA wasn't, up to that point, even trying.

The Soviets could have done a LOT better and done a LOT more (and maybe even beaten the USA to the moon) if the scientists weren't operating under the oppressive communist system.

The Soviets had a LOT of good designs for rockets, nuclear weapons and other high tech stuff, but out of fear of failure, instead built copies of American designs, acquired by espionage.

They wanted success more than they wanted the best result, because an initial failure could result in being sent to the gulag forever or executed.

Even Sergei Korolov (Russia's equivalent of Dr. von Braun) spent time in a gulag and as a result his health suffered, he died relatively young and the Russian space program LOST OUT on many more years of his genius.

For you to imply that communism and/or socialism is "superior" because the Soviets got into space first is completely asinine.

[ready]

You're all wasting your breath. It is a fine example of commie ignorance though.