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    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    I think there is something to be said for compulsury military training. Even it it is only 6 months to a year. Extra benefits should be given to those who volunteer for longer periods of service though.
    My sentiments exactly................ I also feel that military service should be a prerequisite to working for the VA.

    On another note. How many of you think that the typical hoodrat is registered with the Selective Service?

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    No one should ever be drafted to fight in no-win undeclared wars or serve under a liberal and cowardly Commander in Chief. The military leaders that create strategies of COIN, winning hearts and minds, nation building, restrictive ROE, and so forth are really about sucking up to politicians and getting soldiers killed for their career advancement. Our Generals leave the military for high paying think tank and corporate board jobs while our wounded soldiers get substandard treatment from the VA.

    It should be noted that other than WWII (and maybe Korea) the draft has never been applied in a fair manner and opposition to a national draft dates back to the American revolution with the Continental Congress refusing to implement Washington's request for national conscription.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkalashnikov View Post
    I find it highly ironic that somebody here who is way past service age decides it's "time to bring back the draft".

    Maybe if this thread was started by somebody of draft/service age it might have my respect.
    really? why? did you loose thought when you passed 21 years in age? I didn't and what I am saying is, I think that more people would be inclined to pay attention to
    what is really going on if their kids were on the line. another reason not to have children. I am saying this out of respect for our young men and women who volunteer. I am in no way trying to garner
    your respect nor do I care if I have it. life is real and the .gov is using your kids for cannon fodder, why?
    they go because they want to serve. if it was different...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    Our military was total shit when it was filled with draftees. Think of the rampant drug use during and following Vietnam.

    I'm actually amazed at how little respect the notion of the volunteer army has here. I thought you people were tired of Government encroachment.

    And by the way, it looks like Charie Rangel beat you guys to the punch. Does it feel good to be on his side?

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
    2003 wow you think I have only been thinking since 2003?
    try this dick......http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...on-Africa.html
    total shit with the draftees, you are so fuking wrong in many ways
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    really? why? did you loose thought when you passed 21 years in age? I didn't and what I am saying is, I think that more people would be inclined to pay attention to
    what is really going on if their kids were on the line. another reason not to have children. I am saying this out of respect for our young men and women who volunteer. I am in no way trying to garner
    your respect nor do I care if I have it. life is real and the .gov is using your kids for cannon fodder, why?
    they go because they want to serve. if it was different...........
    Did I "loose" thought after 21? No, you've got me beat there by a mile.

    "Another reason not to have children." Great outlook, especially if you care about the continuation of the human race; I have two, including a 22-yr old son. Guess I've got more skin in the game than you, eh?

    "I am in no way trying to garner your respect..." Yes, that's something we can both agree on.

    "Life is real...". Yes, it most certainly is.
    Last edited by mrkalashnikov; 09-16-2014 at 08:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    Instead of re-instituting the draft I think we should raise the voting age to 25 - unless you serve in the military.

    Service Guarantees Citizenship.
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    Re: Service Guarantees Citizenship,

    We do need a better form of a maturity/experience requirement before allowing everyone an equal vote on what happens in this country. This is a Republic, not a Democracy. Our pres was elected twice by many who have never earned a paycheck or served others in some capacity (no matter their age). They should not be able to vote themselves more monies from the public tax coffers.
    Military experience or a college degree could help ensure some degree of maturity. A citizenship test could also be a requirement to vote.
    Its not that simple and every solution could get perverted into something contrary to our Founders intent, but I do hope we get this issue resolved soon or we will share the same fate as the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    Our military was total shit when it was filled with draftees. Think of the rampant drug use during and following Vietnam.

    I'm actually amazed at how little respect the notion of the volunteer army has here. I thought you people were tired of Government encroachment.

    And by the way, it looks like Charie Rangel beat you guys to the punch. Does it feel good to be on his side?

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/07/rangel.draft/
    You fail to see the difference between the average soldier and the commanders at the top who make the decisions.

    Our "boots on the ground" soldiers are the best on the planet. They are dedicated, professional and selfless. THEY deserve our greatest respect.

    On the other hand, the top officers, the government and 0bama force them to be virtually ineffective.

    When someone complains about ridiculous policies or "rules of engagement", they are not dissing the SOLDIERS, they are dissing the soldier's LEADERSHIP that only serves to prolong war, get Americans wounded and killed and make the USA the laughing stock of the world.

    It's not a soldier's fault. If he's forced to obey idiotic rules, what can he do? NOBODY is blaming the boots-on-the-ground guys.
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    We used to have a voting age of 21. That's the way it was from the beginning because the founders recognized that the young lack the maturity to make vital decisions (eg. the "Up-Twinkles" Occupy crowd). The age was lowered to 18 during the Vietnam era because men who were being drafted & sent to war objected to having no say in the process. We also lowered the drinking age for the same reason.

    Now that we have no draft we need to raise the voting age. After all, we have already raised the drinking age.

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    Things that Nixon did that I do not like:
    Lowering the voting age to 18.
    creation of the EPA
    Taking our economy off the gold standard
    Elimination of the draft.

    Today Nixon would be considered a Rino! Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    Things that Nixon did that I do not like:
    Lowering the voting age to 18.
    creation of the EPA
    Taking our economy off the gold standard
    Elimination of the draft.

    Today Nixon would be considered a Rino! Go figure.
    Not to mention Nixon also created the DEA and the failed "war on drugs" that's ruined so many lives.
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    I thought the war on drugs was Nancy Reagan's crusade.
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    The last serious attempt of reinstating the draft that I'm aware of was by Charles Rangel back in 2010 with HR 5741.

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    Quote Originally Posted by studmuffin View Post
    Things that Nixon did that I do not like:

    Taking our economy off the gold standard.
    Pretty sure FDR was in office when that happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rktman View Post
    Re: Service Guarantees Citizenship,

    We do need a better form of a maturity/experience requirement before allowing everyone an equal vote on what happens in this country. This is a Republic, not a Democracy. Our pres was elected twice by many who have never earned a paycheck or served others in some capacity (no matter their age). They should not be able to vote themselves more monies from the public tax coffers.
    Military experience or a college degree could help ensure some degree of maturity. A citizenship test could also be a requirement to vote.
    Its not that simple and every solution could get perverted into something contrary to our Founders intent, but I do hope we get this issue resolved soon or we will share the same fate as the UK.
    If one is a citizen they should be allowed to vote - period. Adding requirements for voting is no different than adding requirements to exercise 2nd amendment rights. Who do you propose to develop and vet a citizenship test? Regardless of the results, our Constitution has to be the basis for running this country.

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    Mrk I made an adult decision at age 17 not to have children. some of the others in this country should think about it and because I made this choice does not give you the right
    to tell me I have nothing in the Game. I choose and chose my game and I am in it for your children. if you know me, you know that I am not a vet and because of this I do not involve myself in those matters. I am just tired of seeing our best die or get maimed.

    this is the only game I am thinking of......
    Last edited by l921428x; 09-16-2014 at 01:50 PM.
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    I disagree. Our founders put heavy restrictions on voting, especially early on. They wanted only people with SKIN IN THE GAME voting. Not uneduacted, dumbass people who would vote to bring the king back.No restrictions? Then do you believe a dim should be allowed to bring their newborn infant in to vote? No. That means RESTRICTIONS, REQUIREMENTS. Like NOT being on a government program like welfare or food stamps. NOT being a felon. BEING a citizen. Having a high school eduaction. Let me tell you, as a teacher, I see LOTS of these poor (bullshit), beaten down (usually bullshit), repressed (90% of the time bullshit) kids who drop out and do NOTHING with their lives and expect help. And, they get to vote. Kids who have shit on me, taken advantage of me, played the victim, and then dropped out......Only to pull the crybaby shit later on to get welfare. THEY SHOULD NOT BE VOTING. ALL THEY THINK IS THAT THEY, AS VICTIMS, DESERVE MORE FROM US.

    Jesus help us. I really wish tax payers would see more of what I see in an inner city school.
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    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    Ok ruskie. what does the education system have to do with the draft? I understand your sentiments. when 90% can name the song from frozen and cannot name their senators, I can't add to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    I thought the war on drugs was Nancy Reagan's crusade.
    Nancy Reagan did the "Just Say No" campaign and the "Zero Tolerance" crap. Nixon created the DEA.

    From Wiki:

    The Drug Enforcement Administration was established on July 1, 1973, by Reorganization Plan No. 2 of 1973, signed by President Richard Nixon on July 28.[2] It proposed the creation of a single federal agency to enforce the federal drug laws as well as consolidate and coordinate the government's drug control activities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrkalashnikov View Post
    Pretty sure FDR was in office when that happened.
    You're right. Once again, from Wiki:

    Executive Order 6102 is a United States presidential executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by President Franklin D. Roosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates within the continental United States". The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.
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