Suck on that Douchebag #1 and Douchebag #2!!!! Voter ID is here to stay!

[1 Patriot-of-many]

What a bummer for your side filled with voter fraud! Gonna be interesting to see what scams you democrats/communists/socialists can come up with to thwart legitimate voting.....


http://conservativebyte.com/2014/09/...stunning-blow/

[l921428x]

they do not have to thwart voting. they convince people that the thwart is not there or in their best interest that it is...........

[Ruskiegunlover]

Uh oh! Who is gonna go tell on 1 patriot for calling out the shitheals! Oh, crap, did I just do the same thing?

[LAGC]

I can't wait until 2016 to hear all the excuses when Republicans in these Voter ID states still manage to lose elections.

Can't blame it on "fraud" any more at that point.

[Oswald Bastable]

I can't wait until 2016 to hear all the excuses when Republicans in these Voter ID states still manage to lose elections.

Can't blame it on "fraud" any more at that point.

So because voter id laws will only eliminate certain forms of election fraud, no one can ever again claim there are not others?

And this is why you will fail at being anything but a double-naught skientist...your normal thought processes automatically impose logical fallacies in your ruminations...

[shorthair]

[ltorlo64]

Uh oh! Who is gonna go tell on 1 patriot for calling out the shitheals! Oh, crap, did I just do the same thing?

I will. The name of the thread is inappropriate. The actual topic is not and how the topic was presented is not inappropriate, though. There was no reason to name the thread as you did except to call them names. So the thread is derailed by the original poster and not by the responses.

[ltorlo64]

What a bummer for your side filled with voter fraud! Gonna be interesting to see what scams you democrats/communists/socialists can come up with to thwart legitimate voting.....


http://conservativebyte.com/2014/09/...stunning-blow/

While I am glad to see this happening I do not believe this is the main source of voter fraud. I am more concerned about how close elections seem to turn in favor of the Democrats by boxes of ballots found in the trunks of cars, in closets, and behind doors. In other words, in very uncontrolled locations. Voter ID is a necessity. Next, we need to start invalidating all votes, no matter which party they are for, that are not controlled correctly and could have been compromised and the people who were responsible need to be held accountable for the failure.

[shorthair]

Well, if were going to fingerprint ID, then voters should not have to provide their finger print.
Does it get any plainer?

[Kadmos]

So because voter id laws will only eliminate certain forms of election fraud, no one can ever again claim there are not others?

And this is why you will fail at being anything but a double-naught skientist...your normal thought processes automatically impose logical fallacies in your ruminations...

This is most of the reason I'm against it, solves nothing for a problem that is mostly non-existent anyway.

Republicans will still cry foul for every election lost, Democrats will continue to score points calling it "racist" and raise money for lawsuits.

If identifying the individual voters is the main goal then you need to get rid of absentee ballots, institute a national ID, scan-able, with a pin-code and biometrics.

Of course that brings up other issues.

[El Laton Caliente]

While I am glad to see this happening I do not believe this is the main source of voter fraud. I am more concerned about how close elections seem to turn in favor of the Democrats by boxes of ballots found in the trunks of cars, in closets, and behind doors. In other words, in very uncontrolled locations. Voter ID is a necessity. Next, we need to start invalidating all votes, no matter which party they are for, that are not controlled correctly and could have been compromised and the people who were responsible need to be held accountable for the failure.

Bogus voter registration is required to stuff ballot boxes.

[5.56NATO]

While I am glad to see this happening I do not believe this is the main source of voter fraud. I am more concerned about how close elections seem to turn in favor of the Democrats by boxes of ballots found in the trunks of cars, in closets, and behind doors. In other words, in very uncontrolled locations. Voter ID is a necessity. Next, we need to start invalidating all votes, no matter which party they are for, that are not controlled correctly and could have been compromised and the people who were responsible need to be held accountable for the failure.

Not to mention this;
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...voting-machine
http://rt.com/usa/voting-machine-election-hack-088/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1992992.html

[Kadmos]

This logic reminds me of the hospital where my wife works. The Problem: A woman was sexually assaulted twice in the stairwell at the hospital. There were no witnesses, so it was he said she said. The hospital's advice? Stay out of the stairwells if you are a female alone. Great advice. How about we are now going to add surveillance and monitor the stairwells? This like proving one is a citizen to vote will not solve all voter fraud any more than adding cameras will eliminate assault in stairwells, but it is a good start, so why bitch about it when even the most retarded amongst us should be able to conclude it is the right thing to do...the right thing unless one needs fraud or needs better access to women alone in the stairwells?

Your analogy is flawed.

To be more accurate it would have to be like this,

1. A person must register with the building to use the stairway, presenting proper ID, with proof of eligibility, personally signed, and knowing that any incorrect information given or improper use could be a felony.

2. The stairway entrance is guarded, one must request entry for each use, by giving a name on the list, and signing in, the signature will be matched by the guard.

3. One is given a temporary pass (ballot), so that signature can only be used once per....I don't know lets say "passage"

4. The person will be watched while walking down the hallway, and deposit the "pass" before leaving.


Add in to this not some "he said, she said", but only "some guy on the radio said he heard somewhere that it "could" have happened".

There is not one case, that I am aware of, where someone actually went into the polling place, asked for someone else's ballot, or the name of some fake or dead person, and actually cast a ballot right there on the spot.

Seriously...none.

It's a solution without a problem.

[Krupski]

Not to mention this;
http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...voting-machine
http://rt.com/usa/voting-machine-election-hack-088/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1992992.html

Exactly this. Anyone who knows a smattering of electronics (i.e anyone who's finished EE101 with a 2.0 GPA or better) can hack a voting machine.

Voter fraud is so rampant, there's really no point in voting at all. Between unregistered, non-citizens voting, their cats and dead grandmothers voting and machines being hacked, there is no possibility of a valid vote.

Couple that with the "electoral college" and the fact that the next President has been chosen LONG before any voting ever even takes place and you see what a joke it all is.

[Krupski]

Your analogy is flawed.

Simple question:

Do you care that ONLY legal American citizens vote?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No

Check one.


(note: to be clear "legal American citizen" means anyone who is a natural born US citizen or a legally naturalized immigrant. It DOES NOT include any illegal border jumper).

[N/A]

Your ]analogy is flawed.

To be more accurate it would have to be like this,

1. A person must register with the building to use the stairway, presenting proper ID, with proof of eligibility, personally signed, and knowing that any incorrect information given or improper use could be a felony.

2. The stairway entrance is guarded, one must request entry for each use, by giving a name on the list, and signing in, the signature will be matched by the guard.

3. One is given a temporary pass (ballot), so that signature can only be used once per....I don't know lets say "passage"

4. The person will be watched while walking down the hallway, and deposit the "pass" before leaving.


Add in to this not some "he said, she said", but only "some guy on the radio said he heard somewhere that it "could" have happened".

There is not one case, that I am aware of, where someone actually went into the polling place, asked for someone else's ballot, or the name of some fake or dead person, and actually cast a ballot right there on the spot.

Seriously...none.

It's a solution without a problem.

I've never went in and asked for someone else's ballot. In fact, ballots are not reserved in anyone's name. I go in and ask for a ballot, and then they ask who I am, to check to see if that name is on the registered to vote list. I can't recall having to provide a photo ID to actually prove who I am or if the name I give them is actually mine. So far, all I have had to do is provide a name on the registered voters list and a voter's registration card...but no actual proof I'm the named voter.

I'd like to see you walk into a polling station and request anyone's ballot as if each voter had one reserved in their name.

[Kadmos]

Simple question:

Do you care that ONLY legal American citizens vote?

[ X ] Yes
[ ] No

Check one.

That test was easy.

I totally get that voter ID seems like "just common sense". But the facts are the facts, it's unnecessary, it's long been antithetical to the American ideal, it costs money, wastes time, and solves not a damn thing.

Add to that the fact that it comes off as racist, whether you agree or not, some people see it that way. So it makes one more thing that Democrats can point to and call Republicans racist.

[Kadmos]

I've never went in and asked for someone else's ballot. In fact, ballots are not reserved in anyone's name. I go in and ask for a ballot, and then they ask who I am, to check to see if that name is on the registered to vote list. I can't recall having to provide a photo ID to actually prove who I am or if the name I give them is actually mine. So far, all I have had to do is provide a name on the registered voters list and a voter's registration card...but no actual proof I'm the named voter.

I'd like to see you walk into a polling station and request anyone's ballot as if each voter had one reserved in their name.

The ballots aren't listed to people's names here either. What we do is walk in, ask for a ballot, give our name, which they see in their book, next to a copy of our signature. Then we sign next to the signature, they can match that up, the judge initials next to the signature, then on the ballot, then we get handed our ballot, fill it out, drop it off.

What I'm saying is, here at least, you have to walk up, say your name, they check the rolls to make sure you are ok, then give you a ballot. You are already preregistered, and someone checks that.

[Krupski]

That test was easy.

I totally get that voter ID seems like "just common sense". But the facts are the facts, it's unnecessary, it's long been antithetical to the American ideal, it costs money, wastes time, and solves not a damn thing.

Add to that the fact that it comes off as racist, whether you agree or not, some people see it that way. So it makes one more thing that Democrats can point to and call Republicans racist.

Some people (usually anyone but whites) see EVERYTHING they don't like as "racist". "Racism" is the universal trump card (if you're non-white).

Sorry, but flashing a driver's license or a social security card or some other id that proves citizenship costs nothing, is no hardship and causes no problems at all (except for illegal aliens trying to vote).

As far as "racism", I am so sick of being called a "racist" that I've decided to become a racist. I may as well live up to the title.

So, GO WHITE POWER!!! YEAH!!! IF you're not white, you suck! I'm a racist!! YEAH!! WHITE POWER!!!!

There, now everyone can call me a racist and they'll be right.

[Kadmos]

Some people (usually anyone but whites) see EVERYTHING they don't like as "racist". "Racism" is the universal trump card (if you're non-white).

Sorry, but flashing a driver's license or a social security card or some other id that proves citizenship costs nothing, is no hardship and causes no problems at all (except for illegal aliens trying to vote).

As far as "racism", I am so sick of being called a "racist" that I've decided to become a racist. I may as well live up to the title.

So, GO WHITE POWER!!! YEAH!!! IF you're not white, you suck! I'm a racist!! YEAH!! WHITE POWER!!!!

There, now everyone can call me a racist and they'll be right.

Some people do see everything as racist...even many whites.

The fact is though, black people are less likely to have ID. So currently there is a bit of argument to back up the idea. Add in a few politicians who let slip some statements indicating they want voter ID to suppress the black vote...and the case gets even more backing.

For most people it's not a big deal to get one, but there are some cases where it becomes problematic.

While your apparent solution is to "own it" and go "full racist", a lot of other people aren't going to go for that idea (of all colors).

Which means a lot of people won't be voting Republican as long as they push things like this. Things that, in my estimation, don't even actually help the party.