THIS MAY BE THE YEAR

[PROBASCO]

Like my party choices or not, I really have no choice but to vote party line or run the risk of status quo. With Oregon having Democratic control of the governor, the state house, the senate candidates for over 40 years, my congressional district, my state is in a shit hole bigger than Meeshell Ovomits ass. Oregon is just to stupid to realize we are 2nd from the bottom in high school graduation yet we are in the top 10 for tax dollars collected per student per class room. 5th highest in unemployment and 7th in welfare recipients. The dumbass Dims think they have a winning team, yeah, winning over one state, losing out to 48 others.

The dem Governor Shitzhabber won by 20k votes last election, yet 120k republicans didnt vote. So we get to eat socialist shit because republicans are too picky or to lazy to vote. Please get off your azz and realize there are no "perfect" candidates so pick the lessor of the two evils. VOTE !!

[Oswald Bastable]

...realize there are no "perfect" candidates so pick the lessor of the two evils. VOTE !!

And therein lies the problem, for many conservatives, and for more and more of them as this commie shitstorm has grown...

With no candidates of real conviction or substance (look at our last two Republican potus candidates), sooner or later the exercise becomes redundant...a question of going to hell this week, or next month...

[ltorlo64]

And therein lies the problem, for many conservatives, and for more and more of them as this commie shitstorm has grown...

With no candidates of real conviction or substance (look at our last two Republican potus candidates), sooner or later the exercise becomes redundant...a question of going to hell this week, or next month...

What we forget is going next month gives me 3 more weeks to fight and try to turn things around than if we go next week.

[LAGC]

What you Oregonians need to do is seal off your damn borders. What is happening (with all the left-coast states, especially California) is more and more of your conservatives are throwing in the towel, packing up their bags, and fleeing here to Idaho, pushing this state's politics even further to the right.

We now have a situation where we don't even have a single state-level office held by a Democrat any more.

And Idaho used to be home to some famous ones, namely Senator Frank Church and Governor Cecil Andrus.

But all these left-coast transplants are even more conservative than native Idahoans, so what we've effectively got is a one-party state, just like those "socialist" enclaves they all came from, only the R's in charge instead of the D's.

And what do we have to show for it? Idaho ranks near the bottom for wages, household income and support for K-12 schools and funding for higher education.

Some trade-off.

[Oswald Bastable]

What we forget is going next month gives me 3 more weeks to fight and try to turn things around than if we go next week.

Oh I grok...but there are now many conservatives who will no longer vote for the lessor weevil on the a general stance of "bring it!"...

That increases exponentially as our political system becomes more corrupt.

[Altarboy]

I am going this week to early vote.

[JTHunter]

As if Illinois is any different than Oregon??

[PROBASCO]

I am coming to terms more and more with the term "fight with the soldiers we're given". I fight one way or the other every day. It grows harder and harder for any sane person to put themselves into the candidate killing zone. Every fart you ever let loose is bagged and sampled and your thrown to the wolves as being something nowhere near your true self. It takes people with a lot more courage than I to face the likes of that razor lined spin cycle of candidacy.

[Aggressive Perfector]

And therein lies the problem, for many conservatives, and for more and more of them as this commie shitstorm has grown...

With no candidates of real conviction or substance (look at our last two Republican potus candidates), sooner or later the exercise becomes redundant...a question of going to hell this week, or next month...

Exactly. The only real hope is for more third party Libertarians, or Libertarian leaning conservatives to take the reigns of the party. I can hear some die hard conservatives shuttering already. But the real question is what's worse, letting go of that the sinking ship called traditional Christian morals that used to reign over this country, or getting your Bill of Rights back? I for one will take the Bill of Rights.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Exactly. The only real hope is for more third party Libertarians, or Libertarian leaning conservatives to take the reigns of the party. I can hear some die hard conservatives shuttering already. But the real question is what's worse, letting go of that the sinking ship called traditional Christian morals that used to reign over this country, or getting your Bill of Rights back? I for one will take the Bill of Rights.

If we split off and vote libertarian we end up with Communists. In fact the Democrap/Communist party deliberately finances some third party candidates because they know that's one key way to defeat right leaning candidates, split their vote and take the spoils and send the country into Socialism/Communism.

[Aggressive Perfector]

Nothing remotely communist about Libertarians. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm not saying we need to stop voting Republican. I'm saying we need to pull more Libertarians into the fold to get this party back on track, hopefully take more seats in the Senate, House, and maybe even the White House with them. And kill all this Voting for meagerly conservative candidates of weak conviction who do not have conserving freedom on their minds.

[ltorlo64]

Nothing remotely communist about Libertarians. Quite the opposite in fact. I'm not saying we need to stop voting Republican. I'm saying we need to pull more Libertarians into the fold to get this party back on track, hopefully take more seats in the Senate, House, and maybe even the White House with them. And kill all this Voting for meagerly conservative candidates of weak conviction who do not have conserving freedom on their minds.

Its not that Libertarians are communists, it is that you split the conservative vote between those who vote for the conservative, even if they are not as conservative as they would like, and those who will only vote for a conservative that is as conservative as they are on all subjects. Democrats will vote for Democrats, there is nothing to split their vote. Knowing this, Democrats will provide support to a third party Libertarian candidate, siphoning off 5-10% of the conservative vote which is generally enough to cause the Republican to lose to the Democrat each time. Democrats ideas and practices align much closer to communists than to liberty and freedom. This is how voting Libertarian allows communists and socialists to come to power and take over our country.

[Aggressive Perfector]

I see what you're getting at, and I'm not disagreeing. Hence why I'm saying they need to be brought into the fold. The Republican party needs to bring changes. NOT the kind of changes that put the likes of Chris Christie in the Governors seat or weak ass candidates like Romney in the presidential race either. Moves like that are what have lost them a chunk of their support. "Towing the party line" really doesn't do any good, as you still wind up with a Liberal (though dressed in another suit) in office. I won't vote for that, so I really can't blame people for splitting the vote by voting third party. A fucktard in office is a fucktard in office, I don't care what party backs them. This is why the country is going to hell in an environtally friendly politically correctly dressed fuel efficient hybrid biodegradable basket.

[ltorlo64]

I see what you're getting at, and I'm not disagreeing. Hence why I'm saying they need to be brought into the fold. The Republican party needs to bring changes. NOT the kind of changes that put the likes of Chris Christie in the Governors seat or weak ass candidates like Romney in the presidential race either. Moves like that are what have lost them a chunk of their support. "Towing the party line" really doesn't do any good, as you still wind up with a Liberal (though dressed in another suit) in office. I won't vote for that, so I really can't blame people for splitting the vote by voting third party. A fucktard in office is a fucktard in office, I don't care what party backs them. This is why the country is going to hell in an environtally friendly politically correctly dressed fuel efficient hybrid biodegradable basket.

Chris Christie is probably the most conservative candidate that could get elected in New Jersey. I am not a big fan of relitivism, but in a very liberal state like New Jersey a moderate liberal is a conservative. That same moderate liberal would be considered very liberal if trying to run for office in a conservative state, like Idaho. I personally hope that Christie does not run for president, but I would vote for him over almost any Democrat nominee.

Same with Romney. He is not a great conservative, but when compared to President Obama he is very conservative. When about half of the counrty is looking for handouts and not paying federal taxes we didn't need someone who would help increase that number (Obama and the ACA for example), we needed someone who would not let it get any worse. Rolling it back some would be nice, but at the moment, just getting that trend to stop would be a big step. A Democrat will not do that and a third party candidate who can only get enough votes to ensure the Republican does not win (remember Ross Perot was how we ended up with President Clinton) definately does not stop this slide.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Nothing remotely communist about Libertarians.

Have no idea where you got that from as far as me insinuating Communism has anything to do with Libertarianism . Certainly wasn't me. I am a libertarian that votes R out of necessity on the national scene. I actually live in the most conservative district in MN and vote that way.

[Aggressive Perfector]

ETA: ^I misread your post the first time, my fault.
A "moderate liberal" doesn't stop the progressive destruction, just slows it slightly. Everything continues to roll down hill, only now with a flat tire. By bringing more "Libertarian" types into the party, you'll not only take more of the third party votes, but win a lot of moderates as well, for many of whom, "marriage equality" and our over seas involvement are key issues.

[ltorlo64]

When you slow things down you give yourself more time to correct the problem that you are concerned with. Splitting the vote to ensure that the most liberal candidates are elected does not slow the slide to full socialism and the loss of liberty and freedom that comes with it, it actually accelerates it. By using marriage equality (which impacts less that 5% of the population) and our overseas involvement to decide to vote for a libertarian who cannot get more than 5-10% of the vote for a national election, ensures we accelerate towards socialism. This acceleration means we have less time to try to stop the slide to socialism/communism. One thing I learned in driving ships, giving yourself more time to fix a problem is always good, accelerating towards the collision is never a good decision and ensures the collision will be even worse.

[JTHunter]

Same with Romney. He is not a great conservative, but when compared to President Obama he is very conservative. When about half of the country is looking for handouts and not paying federal taxes we didn't need someone who would help increase that number (Obama and the ACA for example), we needed someone who would not let it get any worse. Rolling it back some would be nice, but at the moment, just getting that trend to stop would be a big step. A Democrat will not do that and a third party candidate who can only get enough votes to ensure the Republican does not win (remember Ross Perot was how we ended up with President Clinton) definately does not stop this slide.

Do you remember how Romney got pilloried for that "47%" statement? It doesn't matter to his detractors that the statement was accurate because, like Jack Nicholson said to Tom Cruise: "You can't handle the truth!"

[PROBASCO]

Inside out, Bottom up. In Oregon, there are about 11 top Gop positions in various counties that are now controlled by Tea Party folks. The Tea party knows starting a new party is futile, but taking over one that already has our ideals (but doesn't live up to them) will be much easier, at least at the local level. Getting the right people to go to DC to tell the goood old boys has caused the GOP to fire back and lash out at the Tea party.. They are more interested in preserving their pecking order than taking care of their country. That being said, there are still only three choices, A> progressive socialist B> Semi conservatives C> Vote spoilers. Someday when and if we ever get a real prosperous economy back, the choices will be less critical and more of us will have the luxury of voting for the Libertarian, Constitutional or other party. Some may find it funny that I used the term "inside out, bottom up", because that is a term the progressives have used for taking over the democratic party. Guess it applies both ways.