WHAT DO YOU MEAN I ALREADY VOTED?

[LAGC]

My solution is verify Identity. Matching up SS numbers and using the SS administration just as they identify illegal workers but don't act on it according to law. In this day and age of the NSA under Obama, where they infiltrate reporters computers, delete stuff and install classified information to try and frame the reporter, It would be easy to verify a SS number in seconds. That and having to present a state issued ID would be a good start.

The problem is, if indeed this was a case of identity theft, the thief probably already has the guy's SS number, and fake IDs are as easy to obtain from the black market as asking around at your local college campus, as kids under 21 get them all the time to buy alcohol.

The bottom-line is: if someone wants to cheat, they are going to cheat.

But in cases of this type of thing, it would be very big news and we'd definitely hear about it if it were going on very often, just like we heard about this case.

[1 Patriot-of-many]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/1935...you-report-it/ 2600 non citizens registered in FL that they found. Rare isn't it? What did GW win by? You still didn't answer my question about JFK. If a President can be elected through fraud, is it a problem or not in the whole system of letting anyone vote without proving who they are?

[Kadmos]

My solution is verify Identity. Matching up SS numbers and using the SS administration just as they identify illegal workers but don't act on it according to law. In this day and age of the NSA under Obama, where they infiltrate reporters computers, delete stuff and install classified information to try and frame the reporter, It would be easy to verify a SS number in seconds. That and having to present a state issued ID would be a good start. Video cameras and mandatory reciordings would be a good start to for prosecutions that also are mandated and RARELY done for vote tampering and voter fraud. You and your isolated instance are full of shit. We have busloads of WI residents EVERY ELECTION in MN. Fraud is in fact rampant, though you deny it in your zeal to win the lack of freedom you must have some sort of masochistic need for.

While they are all generally good ideas, they need to be part of a more comprehensive and uniform package to be truly effective.

If we will be relying on computers, then they need the ability to crosscheck SSNs to see if voting is happening with a number in more than one state, this means a networked system, which will create new points of vulnerability, and still fails to address the issue of absentee ballots.

Perhaps we might add in a PIN number, a code the user types in to verify identity....but again it will have vulnerabilities.

I am loathe to suggest biometrics, while they can be very effective, they cannot be changed, once that data is hacked, it's out there forever.


By the way, I'm not a moderate republican, I'm a moderate independent. I think both parties are filled with insane extremist wackjobs, I just have a hard time deciding which party is worse overall. I guess I'm more of an issues guy, pick the issue and I can likely tell you which party is wrong, or why both are wrong, or why I just don't care

[Kadmos]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/1935...you-report-it/ 2600 non citizens registered in FL that they found. Rare isn't it? What did GW win by? You still didn't answer my question about JFK. If a President can be elected through fraud, is it a problem or not in the whole system of letting anyone vote without proving who they are?

The problem is these are registration errors, not voter fraud. Usually these are from one party of the other doing a shady voter registration drive to pad their numbers, not numbers of voters, but just number of people listed on the books as "D or R". And yes, both sides do it.

The hope is that if they get enough numbers on the book it will have the other party decide not to run in the district, or put money to work elsewhere.

Half the time people probably don't even know they are registering to vote, they think they are entering a contest to win a car, which also happens to have them registering to vote and changing their long distance phone carrier.

[LAGC]

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/1935...you-report-it/ 2600 non citizens registered in FL that they found. Rare isn't it?

Follow your own link. In the Florida case they supposedly found 2600 registered voters whom they couldn't verify their citizenship on for sure, so they sent out notices to all of them asking for proof. If any of them are non-citizens, I'm sure they won't risk a felony for voting now. Most instances of this type of thing boils down to people not knowing they are ineligible, and not following through once they are properly made aware of such.

But it also sounds like some of the facts are under dispute in that case. It's been alleged that most of them are indeed citizens, but the Florida election officials tactics reek of voter suppression (making eligible voters think they really aren't), which is just as insidious as the spectre of wide-scale voting fraud.

You still didn't answer my question about JFK.

Oh, JFK won by voter fraud too? I'm sure you have proof of this?

Tell me: has any Democrat ever won ANY election without "massive, rampant" fraud? Or is this a simple case of "sore loser" syndrome, people crying over spilled milk when their side doesn't win?

[jakebrake]

I still love how districts in philly had 103% of registered voters show up at the polls.....and not a single vote for Romney. the corruption in that cesspool is legendary.

[LAGC]

I think everyone just needs to take a chill pill and relax a bit.

Once the Republicans clean house on Tuesday, we can all go over and lurk on DU and listen to all the whining about "stolen" elections and what not, just like in 2010. At least they blame the company manufacturing the machines for the fraud, not the voters themselves.

[Kadmos]

I still love how districts in philly had 103% of registered voters show up at the polls.....and not a single vote for Romney. the corruption in that cesspool is legendary.

Ok, since you're kinda new I'll explain it to you. First nobody had "103% of registered voters show up", but yes there are some small heavily black districts that Romney got no votes in. One of those districts had all of 8 registered republicans, and none of them showed up, if they even still lived there.

In those cases where they say more than 100% turnout, what they are doing is taking the number of eligible voting age people from the 2010 census (or the 2000 census in some cases) and comparing that to voter turnout.

The problem is they look at two totally different numbers from totally different times.

For instance in the 2000 census, used for the 2008 election to get that 100% plus turnout, everyone who was between 12-17 in 2000 became voting age by 2008. Also by 2008 a lot of people lost their houses and jobs and moved back home with their parents or into these poorer districts as a result of the economy.

No one had anywhere near 100% voter turnout, I don't think any district broke 80%, the average was 57%

[BISHOP]

The only reason it's news is because of how ultra-rarely it happens, a legit case of identity theft as it were. I never saw a single instance of it (someone trying to vote but having been recorded as already voted) in the half-dozen or so elections I've done as poll worker.

That's because dead people rarely complain. Every once in a while one is not dead and then does complain.

Its funny how many Republicans vote democrat after they have passed on.


BISHOP

[Ruskiegunlover]

Well, we already know that is he.