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That is all.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Cute, but not accurate. Marx held several jobs, aside from being a published writer of well selling books, he also worked as a correspondent for half a dozen newspapers worldwide.
As to his theories, I believe it's mistaken as well. His most notable theory was that man would pass through stages in social structural development naturally, one of them being from capitalism into socialism, something we see happening to various degrees worldwide.
The support of ideologically like minds begins...
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
It wasn't support, it was accuracy. The man had jobs. His most popular theory seems to be coming true.Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable
Granted it's a matter of definitions and degrees, but by all appearances strict capitalism is naturally melding with what some might call socialism.
Personally, I think he was wrong overall in that theory. He saw it as an evolution, slavery to feudalism to capitalism to socialism to communism. A society might meld part of the old with the new until it eventually switched, and of course one might revert, but he saw it as an evolutionary process.
I don't think that's true. I think you find all systems at once, nearly all the time, in all places. But again as a matter of degrees.
For instance in ancient Egypt, long before the Pharaohs and the pyramids, they united under what is termed the "cooperative model", all along the Nile small villages would farm, and upon harvest the surplus would be sent up and down the Nile to whatever village happened to be in need. At no cost. We might as well call that communism or socialism. And outside the growing season the able bodied would often go to a different village to help build temples, houses, etc. At the same time gifts were exchanged, and goods were swapped, along with new skills. A form of capitalism.
For a more modern example, take one of the favorite situations from this place. A natural disaster. The government will come in, often in an authoritarian way, occasionally nearly as a military dictatorship (depending on the country). Sometimes forcing people from their homes, or seizing their possessions. Yet at the same time you will have aspects that are very socialistic, or communistic, the community coming together at common tasks, or even to save the property of another single individual at no personal gain. Also at the same time you will see capitalism, both in it's best and worst forms. Helping to bring in needed goods, but sometimes taking advantage in ways we find despicable.
Anyway, without going to deep into it, it's not unusual to see layer upon layer of seemingly contradictory systems at work at the same time.
I think the idea that it's an evolutionary process is nonsense, all the systems have been there all along, usually running at the same time.
And how is that working, as regards debt, deficits, unfunded liabilities, GDP stagnation, etc., etc..
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Depends on where you live I suppose. But across the board for most of the Western countries the living standards are up since his time, as is literacy, life expectancy, home ownership, etc.
Prove that is due to socialism, not capitalism.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Just read history, the rise of the unions, social programs like public schools, public works like roads, water treatment plants, etc.
The strict capitalism he saw in his early lifetime had children working in coal mines and factories all across the western world, labor was cheap and life expectancy was short.
It was men who stood up to the factory owners and formed unions who got the pay increases that allowed for those glory days of single member family workers that you all look back to as the glory days of the 1950's. That was nearly 200 years of unions and 100 years of socialism that allowed that to happen. Before that it was assumed for most people that the husband worked, the wife worked, and the children worked. That's what early free market capitalism looked like.
Those same institutions got things like employer subsidized health insurance up and running, along with safer working conditions.
The reason it used to be so easy to get into America, why so many millions came in through Ellis Island back in the day was because the ultra rich wanted cheap labor. Much cheaper than could be naturally grown here in the US, they wanted a nearly inexhaustible supply of disposable workers that they could essentially work to death. And when mama or papa died in an unsafe factory the kids got the rest of their pay, minus whatever damage they did to the machinery by allowing their bodies to be crushed in it, and that was that. Death benefits? Forget it.
They didn't have to offer any of that stuff because there was a line 10 men deep waiting on someone to die in order to take their job.
What do you think changed all that? The gentle invisible hand of the free market?
Sorry, not proof...just dialectic...
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Whatever man, prove I'm wrong.
Or at least put up a better theory.
I don't have to.
The unfunded debt, unemployment, social unrest, etc. in every bastion of the socialist/marxist experiment that is the EU has already done so for me.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Unfunded debt is just numbers on paper. Jefferson bought the west on unfunded debt.
Quality of life is way up, as is life expectancy. People living in the EU now are living a hell of a lot better than they were in Marx's lifetime. There was plenty of unemployment and social unrest in the early days of capitalism. That's most of why Marx became so popular.
And yet here we are, nearing the end of western dominance of civilization, a hair's breadth from default and collapse...because of those numbers on paper, or rather, those digital bits in computers.
The EU is near collapse based on those bits, so is the US...the underlying, connecting thread being the movement from capitalism toward the "ostensibly" freeing paradigm of socialism. Concomitant with that has also been the rise in government surveillance and oppression, just as in every other example of marxist implementation...
Just numbers on paper...until the paper is burning.
You make my point.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Those numbers have been on paper for hundreds of years, this country was born in debt, and I doubt has been out of it for more than a dozen years or so. What makes you think suddenly it's all going to fall apart?
Many countries have far more debt than us, as % of GDP, but still pay their police, teachers, etc.
As long as we don't try to pay it off by printing paper money, or publicly state that we won't be paying the debt, then we can double it, triple it, raise it 100 times and it means nothing.
Might have to tighten up on a few things, but not nearly as much as you might expect.
Countries run just fine with a heavy load of debt...it really doesn't mean much.
Prove it.
Acquire more debt than you can pay the service on.
Let us know how that works for you.
As to what makes me think it is all about to fall apart, that would be the ECM.
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
My best proof is in how every time you fear monger's yell the sky is falling, the prediction ends up quietly sliding into history by the passage of time and the lack of event.
But if you care to expand on your thesis of what about the ECM has you thinking "it's all about to fall apart", feel free.
Otherwise the real proof is that people who understand markets far better than you, continue to buy US bonds.
They do at the moment...it's a flight to equities...capital movement is cyclical, as the ECM of centuries of data shows.
But it does not stop or preclude the economic crashes that have plagued world economy since there was a world economy (here you go historian...Greek, Roman, Egyptian times).
Economics, war, prosperity, are all cyclical...economics on an 8.7 year cycle...this reality is part of Solomon's edict that "There is nothing new under the sun".
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Well, then, I guess we've got nothing to worry about...."This too shall pass" and all of that.
Yup...all good for those who don't get ground in the wheels...
Isn't that who you're most concerned about? Those ground under the wheels of the societal juggernaut? Or is that, as it is with most leftists, just grist for the mill?
If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.
He, Who Will Not Reason, Is a Bigot; He, Who Cannot, Is a Fool; and He, Who Dares Not, Is a Slave. -Sir William Drummond
There are some things I will not abide within my sight!
Pretty sure that's also the capitalist slogan. "all good for those who don't get ground in the wheels"
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