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    We knew this was a lie, now proven

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...94233348331277

    Obama’s feds hid key data to get Calif. lead ammo ban passed in backdoor gun control move

    By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Tuesday, December 2, 2014

    A pro-hunting group is up in arms after obtaining emails that it says indicate that a federal official withheld critical data on lead blood levels in the California condor until after gun control advocates in the California state legislature used the iconic bird’s plight to help push through a law last year to ban lead ammunition.

    The National Shooting Sports Foundation obtained the emails as part of a Freedom of Information Act request showing that John McCamman, California condor recovery coordinator for the Fish and Wildlife Service, did not make the report public until the bill was on its way to the desk of Gov. Jerry Brown. Mr. Brown signed the measure in October 2013.


    The annual update, which had been previously issued in June, found little change in the condor’s blood lead levels despite a 2007 ban on lead ammunition in the “condor zone,” a lengthy swath of habitat along the coast from Ventura County to Santa Clara County. The California state legislature acted at the urging of wildlife and animal rights advocates, led by the Humane Society, which argued that the California condor and other species were being poisoned by ingesting lead shot, fragments or contaminated prey.

    Lawrence Keane, NSSF senior vice president and general counsel, accused the Fish and Wildlife Service of deliberately sitting on the report in order to bolster the chances of passage of Assembly Bill 711, which ushered in the nation’s first statewide lead ammunition ban.

    “[T]he email thread shows that they withheld that [information] from the public; they withheld it from the legislature purposely,” Mr. Keane said. “And why? Because the results show that despite the existing law and regulations that ban the use of traditional ammunition by hunters, it was not having an impact on condor blood-lead levels in California.”

    Mr. Keane added, “Which suggests, as we have said all along, that condors in California are accessing lead from other sources, not ammunition.”

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    CA is a lost cause. All gun and ammo manufacturers should simply refuse to sell to any and all parties in that state (including law enforcement) if they want to even begin to change the political culture there, vis a vis, arms.
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    Imagine any gubmnt body withholding information to make their invalid statements seem viable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    CA is a lost cause. All gun and ammo manufacturers should simply refuse to sell to any and all parties in that state (including law enforcement) if they want to even begin to change the political culture there, vis a vis, arms.
    Here we go again. Fucking over the gun owners (who did NOT VOTE these fuckers into office) isn't scoring a 'win' for our side. I DO agree with banning sales to law enforcement and government agencies. California law enforcement and government agencies (Including the security guards that these rich elitists use to protect themselves) should be restricted to the very SAME rules as the rest of us.

    There ARE some guys and companies who are stupid enough to think that fucking over fellow gun owners (who are a persecuted minority) somehow 'sends a message' to the elitist libtard majority. It doesn't. they're attacking the wrong people, but they're too stupid to know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    CA is a lost cause. All gun and ammo manufacturers should simply refuse to sell to any and all parties in that state (including law enforcement) if they want to even begin to change the political culture there, vis a vis, arms.
    I completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    I completely agree.
    So you suggest giving the antis exactly what they want?

    And way to fuck over the millions of gun owners in this state.

    Let me guess, we deserve what we get right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAPOTS View Post
    So you suggest giving the antis exactly what they want?

    And way to fuck over the millions of gun owners in this state.

    Let me guess, we deserve what we get right?
    Let's see. WE Vote like other red state gun owners do. WE think like they do. WE have the same values as they do. The only issue is that we live in a state where the "blue state" libtards outnumber us. HOW IS THAT OUR FAULT? And now we have these douchebags willing to throw fellow gun owners under the bus. Remember that the LIBERALS WANT people to STOP SELLING to California. You're helping the ENEMY if you want to screw over people who are your allies. We didn't vote those fucktards into office. As I said before, anyone who proposes that point. is a fucking moron.

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    And more lies from the great deciever;

    Head fake? Obama never signed amnesty order
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    http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/head-fake...vJjcxkiU6EL.99
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