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    The great state of Oregon's progressive liberalism catapults the state to #1

    http://www.kgw.com/story/news/educat...tion/22440043/

    #1 in worst schools in the country.

    PORTLAND, Ore. -- A report released by the U.S. Department of Education shows Oregon at the bottom of the list when it comes to the percentage of kids who graduate from high school in four years.

    Oregon's rate was 68.7 percent in 2013, making it dead last among states. The District of Columbia graduated 62.3 percent.

    Iowa was first with a graduation rate of 89.7 percent.

    We set out to talk with teens about why students drop out.

    At a park next to Madison High School in Northeast Portland, Marcus Hughes hangs out with friends in the middle of the day.

    He's a junior who used to attend Madison and routinely skip class.

    "Skipping class just sounded a lot better than sitting through six hours of nothing. I really felt like I wasn't doing much," he said.

    Soon he was so far behind he felt he'd never catch up.

    "You're not going to come back," said Hughes, shaking his head.

    But unlike many people he knows, Marcus did not throw in the towel completely. He's attending an alternative school and working toward his G.E.D.

    "I wanted to get that piece of paper that said I have an education. And something that can take me to a college where I can get a good job. A good trade," he said.

    Not far away, Josue Lopez walked with his father toward the family car.

    He's a sophomore transferring in to Madison because he thinks it will be better academically than his last school.

    He also knows kids who have already dropped out.

    One is a 16 year old girl who got pregnant.

    The other, he said, is a teen from Mexico hit with the cold reality of finances.

    "His parents brought him here but his dad got deported and his mom, she didn't work and he had to drop out to maintain his family basically," Lopez said.

    He has also considered dropping out.

    "I'm not gonna lie, at some moments yeah. But like, I'm working, so I'm gonna work hard now for my family so I can make them happy so I can graduate on time," he said.

    His father Rafael is one of the people he wants to make happy. Rafael has worked for 16 years at Popeye's Chicken. He is proud that Lopez's brother is the first in the family to graduate high school. Now, he's not about to let Lopez drop out.

    Still, the teen is fighting peer pressure from friends who already have.

    "It's always what crowd you go into. It's easy to go into the crowd. It's hard to get out of the crowd. That's how it is," he said.

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    I think Vocational schools are the answer personally. Being fairly fresh out of high school I can relate to these kids. So much of what's taught in schools have no real world application, and these kids know it. Where they fucked up is not realizing that few employers are willing to take a drop out because they see a quitter. My Junior year in high school I turned 18. If I hadn't made it into the local vocational school I probably would have quit. But when you go into a vocational school, you learn a trade half the day, and they apply your academics to what mental abilities are needed for that trade. I for example took Metal Fabrication/ Welding. There went half my day, learning valuable work force skills.Academics were a bit different from standard high school accordingly. More in depth look:

    My english class was still pretty standard, but we did learn how to make power point presentations, use spread sheets and other computer oriented "skills" (which frustrated the shit out of me) do resumes, etc. Math: Junior year it was basic shit like learning to use layout tools such as carpenter squares, calipers, protractors, micrometers and such for the first half of the year. Second half was supposed to be Algebra 2 (however I took the fundamentals of algebra "retard algebra" at the regular high school, so I was far too far behind to comprehend that shit) and got placed in a "practical math" class. Senior year was blue printing. Learning to read them, and then for the class project (which we had all year to do) we had to put the knowledge to use by using CAD to come up with a blue print, submit it to teacher for approval, and then build what we made the print for for final grade.

    Science class was "Mechanical Science". Which was nothing more than looking at electrical and mechanical compents and breaking down machines to explain the scientific principals and physics at play that make the devices work (this came in handy when an old antique of a stick welder finally took a shit. Turned out to be an easy fix that could be rigged up out of a coil of copper wire and a magnet).

    Social studies was pretty standard. But we learned much more about our constitution, politics, and how the government works. We learned what the government and its enforcement agencies legally and constitutionally can and can't do (we'll pretend that honestly applies to what they do anyways). That teacher was adamant about getting us politically motivated in whatever our beliefs were and encouraged debates amongst us. Though he never told us (during class time) what his party or beliefs were, he generally came across as being more right wing leaning. No matter what side of a debate you took, he could always think of a counter argument to make you think a little harder and point out your hypocrisy if your argument contained any.

    If it weren't for that school and the teachers I had, I'd have never amounted to a mound of shit.
    "Never take pity on a blind man. He may not be able to see, but he saves a fortune by getting the butt ugly hookers".

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    The lack of strong parenting skills has been around for a long time. I think it's the damn phones these kids are using. No time for anything but the texting. Their texting at the bus stop!

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    Maybe if they taught classes on being a ratchet or wigger or crap music star the teachers could hold their audiences?
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    5.56nato, spot on.

    We teach English to get kids to know how to talk, read, and write. The stories, creative writings, or writing analysis is to get kids to learn how to analyze what they are reading, to learn how to think and look at issues, how to write about issues. All that goes with being an EDUCATED TAX PAYER who can THINK.

    Math is taught again to teach kids how to problem solve. And while I have not used algebra since the college class I passed with a 73%, I can tell you I have used the math SKILLS they taught me in problem solving different math related things in my life. Planning this summer trip to Utah and Colorado with the kids I am taking is an example. The gas cost, mileage, rental fee's were all parts of an equation I had to figure out. So even though I hate algebra, I will defend teaching it to kids.

    History? Why do we teach History? Take a look at our country and ask me again after you have thought about how we have gotten here. Take a look at the love os socialism and communism, the laziness, the hatred of our founders and their ideas, and ask me why we need to teach it. Don't think kids should learn American History in school? Don't WANT them to? Then get the FUCK out of this country, go back to whatever 3rd world shithole you crawled out of, because our country and its History kicks ass. If you don't want to know your country, then you don't care about it, and thus should move out.

    Science? You know, America's education system used to be the best. College graduates 55 years ago designed the SR-71 Blackbird for Gods sake with slide rules and scratch paper. Think knowing science and math didn't help with that? Anyone who doesn't see the need for science in our schools is simply a dumbass. Think the science behind cell phones, cars, new engines, all the crap we find important than education would exhist without someone having been taught math and science? Further, think we should not teach kids about nature? The human body? Physics?


    THE PROBLEM WITH OUR EDUCATION ISN'T THE EDUCATION. Its the society that teaches kids its all worthless, stupid, they won't ever use it, that playing Call of Duty and screwing eachother is more important for their future. A society that encourages the victimhood identity and 'moral justification' of thinking they are owed something by those who achieve because they are humans that is the problem. The socialist state is the problem. In a socialist state the country doesn't need or want everyone that smart. It becomes counter productive. If people become smart, that makes them unequal, and hurts the overall objective. So yes, encourage single parent homes, encourage kids to screw at young ages, identify them as all victims, DESTROY religion and all moral compasses, and only teach them the words 'victim' and 'social justice'.

    I bet a years pay if 50% more parents started spanking the shit out of their middle schoolers, and maybe fathers used discipline on some high school boys, and parents started caring what their kids were into, started taking cell phones away, throwing out Xboxes, FORCING THEIR KIDS TO TAKE EDUCATION MORE SERIOUSLY, it would not matter how good or bad a teacher was because they would still learn. Give me your worst, shittiest teacher and I'll throw a class of kids with involved and respectful parents in it......and the kids will learn.

    Ever hear a teacher talk about how they have to get the respect of their kids? I have. It is something we have to work towards. You guys have any idea how fucked that is? TEACHERS have to worry about KIDS respecting them? Think their is a connection between that idea and our current state of education? Why wouldn't the KIDS have to worry about the TEACHERS respecting them? I'll tell you why......because then the kids would actually have to work hard and whine less. As a teacher we have to beg and plead with kids totake us and class seriously all too often. BEG kids to care. Because our society and their parents do not instill the reverse.
    Last edited by Ruskiegunlover; 02-01-2015 at 08:45 AM.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    By the way, how about a quick intel debreifing from one of the sites moles inside the education machine?

    In the last several weeks, we have had MANY fights at my school. Of course I will change some things to cover myself, but dig these:

    1 boy who has some serious issues and needs to be in a more restrivtive school enviroment got into trouble outside at lunch. Was grinding on other kids, acting extremely innappropriate. When a teacher calmly and politely told him and his friends to stop, he turned and started using profanity at the teacher, yelling, telling him he can 'grind any fucking place he wants'. Teacher de-escalated, called security. Moments later I witness this kid cuffed on his back, doing the best Reagen impression from the Exhorcist I have ever seen. But the system demands this kid get to go to our school to 'help' him. Ok, fine with that, until this kid starts disrupting and screwing up the classrooms of teachers and other kids ALL THE TIME. But we cannot simply expel him. Rediculous.

    Had a boy knock a girl out because the girl was harrassing him. Kids laughed, thought it was funny. The boys parents argued the girl deserved it. Ha, bet they voted for our King too. And republicans have a war on women.....

    We had 3 fights in a ten minute time period, all seperate incidents.

    To be honest, most of my kids love my classes. I am not trying to be attention seeking, but generally the majority do like them. I believe because I tell stories from my life in class to use as examples of subjects we are talking about, I tell jokes, laugh at myself, and generally successfully connect history to the present world. BUT, I am old school in that I do a lot of lexcture, notes, class discussion. My classes are a lot like the college classes I had in History. I don't do a ton of group projects, as most kids just end up screwing around in them in my opinion and there is little learning. I do a ton of readings, reading analysis, source analysis. Just read 4 different accounts of the Boston Massacre in my classes, had them analyse the sources for biasedness, then compared the Boston Massacre to the Kent State Shooting and the Micheal Brown shooting. CAREFULLY, by the way. But it worked. Talked to the kids about snowballs, and explained how a snowball CAN become a life threatening weapon in certian circumstances. Blew the kids away with that one.

    But I still have kids who get bored, don't want to try, are simply lazy. Don't care. Extremely frustrating. Or kids who don't want to be intellectual at all, and just want to screw off. Its a small minority, but they exhist.
    Last edited by Ruskiegunlover; 02-01-2015 at 09:04 AM.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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