Miami, other cities in Florida, USA slowly sinking into rising sea

[308]

Whatever. Just admit it: you're closed-minded and nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise. So why should I bother trying to convince you?

All that matters is that the people reading this thread know all the arguments and can make up their own minds.

That's my only goal here, and despite all your obfuscation, I'm pretty confident I succeeded.

Interesting perspective because this is the exact same motive I have when you post BS regarding Christianity.
So in essence, you are preaching your deeply held religious beliefs.

The only difference is you believe MAN is in control and has the ability to change the ebb and flow of planet earth through litigation. I prefer not to be so arrogant.

[Goodman]

Google is your friend dude.

I'm not going to play this game with you like with Goodman when there is a plethora of news articles out there detailing the actions the Netherlands has taken in response to global warming.

Educate yourself, don't expect me to hold your hand. If you can't manage to unshelter yourself out of the tunnel vision of your right-wing science-denying blogs, that's not my problem.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=netherlands%2Bs...obal%2Bwarming

Here's the thing-
You present an opinion, a position on something. You wish to convince someone your opinion is valid and correct. It is on YOU to present convincing evidence of your opinion. If you do not, you will not be taken seriously.
Telling someone to go convince themselves of YOUR opinion (especially in opposition to their own opinion) is pretty unlikely to win people over.

Don't know why I bother.....

[alismith]

Well, at least we finally have somewhat of an argument that can be supported (or refuted) by science.

I'm well-aware that subsidence may be playing a role in Venice slowly sinking, but what evidence do you have that it is principally at play down in Florida?

A cursory search of the topic only mentions certain coastal areas of Texas and Louisiana (and the Mississippi River delta in particular) but I gather that has more to do with hurricanes, storm surges, erosion, and human activity that has caused such subsidence in those particular areas.

Do you have any scientific evidence that this is the case in Miami, let alone that ancient ice sheets are responsible?

Nothing to show right now. I learned about this in an ELAB (Environmental Literacy and Animal Behavior) class I took, at the local University, this past fall. The Professor who presented it, was explaining why the east coast of the US, and our area, appeared to be sinking. When I see him next, I'll ask for info and web links and forward them to you.

[Oswald Bastable]

Prove how "plate tectonics" or "fluid dynamics" has anything to do with what we're talking about here, and then maybe we can argue.

So, earth science now has nothing to do with earth science?

My, aren't you just the very best double-naught skientist that ever wanted to be a brain sturgeon!

[alismith]

LAGC, here's some info I found on the topic I was talking about. There's a few other things I left out that explains how subsidence works in different areas.

http://authors.library.caltech.edu/20782/

http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/gc-subsidence/

http://web.vims.edu/GreyLit/VIMS/sramsoe425.pdf

http://www.earthbyte.org/people/diet...ce_GRL2008.pdf

http://coastal.er.usgs.gov/gc-subsid...ubsidence.html

http://www.livescience.com/24647-eas...elerating.html

http://www.livescience.com/21158-sea...ast-coast.html (This one shows the subsidence "hot spots" along the East Coast. Key West FL is located very close to Miami.)

http://hamptonroads.com/2012/06/sea-...hen-rest-globe

http://www.texastribune.org/2013/12/...-consequences/ (This one deals with ground water pumping and any place that is heavily populated usually has some degree of subsidence. This would be more noticeable along coastal areas i.e. Miami.)

http://www.twdb.texas.gov/publicatio.../R272/R272.pdf (This one adds in the effects of pulling oil and natural gas out of the ground, too.)

In one of the articles, above, it mentions that the Gulf Stream current is slowing down and allowing more water to stay in certain places, causing a buildup of water levels in nearby areas. Notice where Miami is located in relation to the Gulf Stream.

gulf-stream.jpg

[N/A]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level

This is as good as any for a layman to read.

[raxar]

It happens more often at school than anywhere else. For instance, I didn't believe aspirin alone was effective at all in treating cancer, but sure enough -- once other students starting posting links to all sorts of scientific studies, I had to reevaluate my misconceptions.

I'm perfectly open to considering viable alternative hypotheses to rising sea levels being the principal cause of increased flooding in Florida and other coastal areas around the world.

But a bunch of right-wing opinion blogs circle-jerk linking to each other with wild "explanations" aren't going to cut it.

To me it all boils down to: show me some scientific studies (or at least some advisements or data from a scientific body) or STFU.

AH, I see, you're open minded provided that you approve of the person's political view

[Goodman]

AH, I see, you're open minded provided that you approve of the person's political view

Or opinion.
Lacking pure experimental data showing causation he will defer to the opinion he prefers.....and call it science.

[ltorlo64]

AH, I see, you're open minded provided that you approve of the person's political view

He calls that "real science."