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    0bama offers alternative to Keystone Pipeline route

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    I had a thought for this issue.

    What we do is get everyone who is on government assistance, but healthy enough to work, and we have them start a bucket brigade moving oil across the country.

    If they find another job then they can quit.

    Or they can quit but never collect benefits again.

    Plus of course regular people could sign up for pay, waitress wages plus any tips they receive.

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    Environmental concerns aside, aren't there a lot of oil-haulin' truckers who would be put out of work if that pipeline ever got completed?

    I've never understood how it was supposed to be a net job creator. Other than all the temporary welding jobs, seems like it would just allow the oil companies to pump fuel to the refineries cheaper without having to hire truckers to haul it.

    More profits, less jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos
    I had a thought for this issue.

    What we do is get everyone who is on government assistance, but healthy enough to work, and we have them start a bucket brigade moving oil across the country.
    That plan should satisfy every eco-warriors' concerns, certainly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Environmental concerns aside, aren't there a lot of oil-haulin' truckers who would be put out of work if that pipeline ever got completed?

    I've never understood how it was supposed to be a net job creator. Other than all the temporary welding jobs, seems like it would just allow the oil companies to pump fuel to the refineries cheaper without having to hire truckers to haul it.

    More profits, less jobs.
    It's train and ship...truckers don't haul crude...financially unfeasible. But hey, let's continue to use multiple vectors for accidental spills, not pipelines monitored via computer with computer controlled shut off valves in case of a problem...

    Certainly all those ships and trains will keep many clean up crews busy over the years...

    By the by...construction jobs are by definition, finite. You finish the job, then you move on to the next construction job. It's the same with all the trades.

    But it is good to have you on record here as being against living wage jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Environmental concerns aside, aren't there a lot of oil-haulin' truckers who would be put out of work if that pipeline ever got completed?

    I've never understood how it was supposed to be a net job creator. Other than all the temporary welding jobs, seems like it would just allow the oil companies to pump fuel to the refineries cheaper without having to hire truckers to haul it.

    More profits, less jobs.
    Canada already stated if this pipeline doesn't get built, a pipeline to their west coast will and that oil will be shipped west. NO jobs for Americans. Sad you libtards with your nonsense kill this. How many pipelines do we already have traversing this country vs how many accidents? It isn't just Americans building the pipeline, it will need to monitored, maintained and repaired, not mentioning the third party jobs for parts, monitoring equipment replacement and repairs, more workers at the refinery this oil would be going too. Face it, you don't think things through like most leftists.
    Last edited by 1 Patriot-of-many; 02-26-2015 at 05:53 PM.

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    "President Barack Obama’s decision to withhold approval of the Keystone XL pipeline will hugely benefit one of his largest supporters – Warren Buffett.

    Buffett made a $34 billion dollar investment in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad (BNSF) one year after Obama was elected. BNSF essentially invented the business of carrying crude oil by rail when it launched its first long oil train in 2009. Rail shipments from North Dakota have surged from fewer than 100,000 barrels a day in 2010 to 800,000 barrels a day last October.

    No wonder Buffet has such a good friend in the White House."

    http://www.theblaze.com/contribution...esident-obama/



    But, but......Obama's just worried about American jobs!!!
    Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket???

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    Quote Originally Posted by weevil View Post
    "President Barack Obama’s decision to withhold approval of the Keystone XL pipeline will hugely benefit one of his largest supporters – Warren Buffett.

    Buffett made a $34 billion dollar investment in the Burlington Northern Santa Fe railroad (BNSF) one year after Obama was elected. BNSF essentially invented the business of carrying crude oil by rail when it launched its first long oil train in 2009. Rail shipments from North Dakota have surged from fewer than 100,000 barrels a day in 2010 to 800,000 barrels a day last October.

    No wonder Buffet has such a good friend in the White House."

    http://www.theblaze.com/contribution...esident-obama/



    But, but......Obama's just worried about American jobs!!!
    and to think , LAGC's been opposing it for free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by raxar View Post
    and to think , LAGC's been opposing it for free!



    What's more all those diesel railroad locomotives are spewing out way more carbon emissions than a pipeline ever would.



    So much for his constant preaching to us about Global Warming...........hypocrite!
    Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket???

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    Quote Originally Posted by weevil View Post
    What's more all those diesel railroad locomotives are spewing out way more carbon emissions than a pipeline ever would.



    So much for his constant preaching to us about Global Warming...........hypocrite!
    Not to mention the accident rate is a lot higher, so all the lefts arguments are again founded on emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    Not to mention the accident rate is a lot higher, so all the lefts arguments are again founded on emotion.

    There's already been several high profile derailments that have caused major fires and more trains means more collisions at crossings.

    It's only a matter of time until one of those trainloads of flammable liquid causes a real tragedy, but hey we can't be sending the stuff through a pipeline underground!

    That would cost railway workers their jobs and Buffett money!



    Pshaw on all that modern infrastructure nonsense.......we got choo-choos!
    Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket???

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    We should really shut down all pipelines, route all oil through ships and trains.

    Think of all the good railroad jobs illegals could do...all the shipping jobs. Think of all the money they could send home with those good jobs paying a living wage to non-Americans. Think of the boon to eco-terrorists from the increase in accidents resulting in pollution. Hell, we could be back to the stone age in less than a decade if they shut down all the pipelines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weevil View Post
    There's already been several high profile derailments that have caused major fires and more trains means more collisions at crossings.

    It's only a matter of time until one of those trainloads of flammable liquid causes a real tragedy, but hey we can't be sending the stuff through a pipeline underground!

    That would cost railway workers their jobs and Buffett money!



    Pshaw on all that modern infrastructure nonsense.......we got choo-choos!
    LAGC hasn't mentioned all the poor farmers either who are having trouble shipping their grain, not to mention all other products by various companies with all the oil cars hogging the system. Guess he really isn't for the little guy, just tries to talk a good game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    LAGC hasn't mentioned all the poor farmers either who are having trouble shipping their grain, not to mention all other products by various companies with all the oil cars hogging the system. Guess he really isn't for the little guy, just tries to talk a good game.


    Typical lefty stooge....he's for whatever the MSM and the left-wing propaganda tells him he's supposed to be for.


    Questioning their dogma would be sacrilegious!
    Last edited by weevil; 02-28-2015 at 06:50 PM.
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    More leftist nonsense, it doesn't create enough jobs or its the wrong kind of jobs and the list goes on, I tell you these motherfuckers aren't happy unless they're crying about something.

    Language apology, just tired of stupid lefty bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kadmos View Post
    I had a thought for this issue.

    What we do is get everyone who is on government assistance, but healthy enough to work, and we have them start a bucket brigade moving oil across the country.

    If they find another job then they can quit.

    Or they can quit but never collect benefits again.

    Plus of course regular people could sign up for pay, waitress wages plus any tips they receive.
    We can drug test them first, right?

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