40mm grenade thoughts

[FunkyPertwee]

This video has me thinking that certain grenade types, such as 40mm, should be exempt from NFA due to their seemingly limited blast radius.

Some of you guys probably used this in real life, so please let me know if I am wrong in thinking that these should be considered valid weapons for domestic use.

[Krupski]

This video has me thinking that certain grenade types, such as 40mm, should be exempt from NFA due to their seemingly limited blast radius.

Some of you guys probably used this in real life, so please let me know if I am wrong in thinking that these should be considered valid weapons for domestic use.

A 40mm grenade would not be my first choice for self defense..... with that said in my opinion there should be NO NFA... the Constitution does not say "Shall not be infringed... except for what the government doesn't like".

[Hatedbysheeple]

You and a buddy go to the range or even just your large back yard, you fire 10 40mm HE rounds and throw 6 M67 grenades, one of each does not detonate. So you now have UXO that you are responsible for, what do you do?

[FunkyPertwee]

You and a buddy go to the range or even just your large back yard, you fire 10 40mm HE rounds and throw 6 M67 grenades, one of each does not detonate. So you now have UXO that you are responsible for, what do you do?

I would leave them there, then come inside and ask you guys what to do, or look in the instruction manual that came with them, or not own them at all because I decide they're not safe after all.

I would guess that there is some sort of standard protocol to deal with it, like you would a round not going off in your chamber.

I don't really know anything about them at all, or explosives n general, which is why I started this thread in the first place. The video I posted sort of made it look just like a big shotgun.

[FunkyPertwee]

Actually I would have to read all about them before ever using them.

[Hatedbysheeple]

I would leave them there, then come inside and ask you guys what to do, or look in the instruction manual that came with them, or not own them at all because I decide they're not safe after all.

I would guess that there is some sort of standard protocol to deal with it, like you would a round not going off in your chamber.

I don't really know anything about them at all, or explosives n general, which is why I started this thread in the first place. The video I posted sort of made it look just like a big shotgun.

It would end up being a huge pain, just from a UXO stand point. The military does this stuff on dedicated ranges that are swept on a normal basis by people whose sole job it is to safely dispose of these things. With a rifle you keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction and unload, problem over. With any of these things the prescribed treatment is a wait time and then counter charge with a block of high explosives. You are getting into storing HE and initiators on site, having someone trained in demo and UXO disposal.

Full autos, suppressors, AOWs, SBR's, and non-explosive DD's are just guns, let them be bought and sold just like any other rifle or pistol. Explosives or explosive devices are not as forgiving when it comes to storage or improper use and as said above when they fail to work as intended making them safe is a whole different ball game. My problem with them having no regulation is not a fear of criminal use but of ignorance, apathy, and laziness in regards to there storage, safe handling, and disposal.

[Helen Keller]

their seemingly limited blast radius.

you dont want to be anywhere near one when it pops. other than the ogive/skirt. the little bb's set in resin are what is really going to get you. A good hit with a single pellet in an artery ,eyeball or even your hand is going to take you out of the game. just cause it doesnt fuck up their little plates/carriers doesnt mean it's worthless.




Hollywood has distorted the image of what these actually do, what they show is basically a round for the MK19 on steroids. nothing you could safely shoulder/fire . Nobody is going to blow through a concrete wall or elevator door with a HEDP. They have safety "range" limits for a reason , shit can bounce back.
Only thing thats close to the movies is a HEAT round but I dont think they make those anymore.



Even if you could easily own them '

A: you'd have to meet state/local ordinances for storage/ownership. Here I couldnt own them cause they're a "bomb" and i'd need a blasting license.
B: You couldnt afford factory 40mm
C: You couldnt afford to have it reloaded
D: Get in line behind military/govt contracts on a buying list (years) , even if they would sell to you they're not gonna sell joe blow 5 rounds to piss away on the 4th of july.
E: You would have to call eod/bomb squad out for any that didnt detonate and that would be on your dime.
F: In the end like most 40mm owners you're stuck with smokes,gas,trainers,buck/birdshot rounds.
G: Another thing I carried in the military i want nothing to do with in real life, IMHO coolness on a mall ninja scale. That's about it.

[Schuetzenman]

Great for a zombie apocalypse I suppose, not so much for everyday life otherwise. On a true life note when I was living in NC, a school kid near Fayetteville NC and Fort Bragg a middle school kid some how got a hold of an HE 40 mm grenade, probably unexploded. He was showing it to other kids on the playground outside the school. It was getting passed around and they dropped it. Yep it went off. I do believe everyone survived, but don't know if anything got blown off, (leg).

[Hatedbysheeple]

B: You couldnt afford factory 40mm

they actually are not too expensive only about $70 a round

[NAPOTS]

I want nothing to do with explosives. You can aim a rifle, a grenade is dangerous in all 360 degrees. You think we have a hard time defending our rights now, wait till some dumbass fucks around with a grenade in his living room and kills his whole family, or some kid takes one to school.

Not a good for our rights IMHO.

Now on the 2A rights stance I'm torn, I see 2A as an absolute right, even if grenades were totally legal and you could buy them at walmart I wouldn't want to fuck around with one. I also see nothing good coming from it and it leading to alot of backlash against the 2A.

[Helen Keller]

they actually are not too expensive only about $70 a round

Not to you or me, maybe the mil/govt. If thats the price you saw on a manfiset , those prices on things make you wonder just how much they hose the civilian market on everything.






Mil. Cost in Fiscal Year 2010 was $68 a piece for M433. So I imagine it's way more than that now . Shipping would be murder as well.

[FunkyPertwee]

It would end up being a huge pain, just from a UXO stand point. The military does this stuff on dedicated ranges that are swept on a normal basis by people whose sole job it is to safely dispose of these things. With a rifle you keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction and unload, problem over. With any of these things the prescribed treatment is a wait time and then counter charge with a block of high explosives. You are getting into storing HE and initiators on site, having someone trained in demo and UXO disposal.

Full autos, suppressors, AOWs, SBR's, and non-explosive DD's are just guns, let them be bought and sold just like any other rifle or pistol. Explosives or explosive devices are not as forgiving when it comes to storage or improper use and as said above when they fail to work as intended making them safe is a whole different ball game. My problem with them having no regulation is not a fear of criminal use but of ignorance, apathy, and laziness in regards to there storage, safe handling, and disposal.

you dont want to be anywhere near one when it pops. other than the ogive/skirt. the little bb's set in resin are what is really going to get you. A good hit with a single pellet in an artery ,eyeball or even your hand is going to take you out of the game. just cause it doesnt fuck up their little plates/carriers doesnt mean it's worthless.




Hollywood has distorted the image of what these actually do, what they show is basically a round for the MK19 on steroids. nothing you could safely shoulder/fire . Nobody is going to blow through a concrete wall or elevator door with a HEDP. They have safety "range" limits for a reason , shit can bounce back.
Only thing thats close to the movies is a HEAT round but I dont think they make those anymore.



Even if you could easily own them '

A: you'd have to meet state/local ordinances for storage/ownership. Here I couldnt own them cause they're a "bomb" and i'd need a blasting license.
B: You couldnt afford factory 40mm
C: You couldnt afford to have it reloaded
D: Get in line behind military/govt contracts on a buying list (years) , even if they would sell to you they're not gonna sell joe blow 5 rounds to piss away on the 4th of july.
E: You would have to call eod/bomb squad out for any that didnt detonate and that would be on your dime.
F: In the end like most 40mm owners you're stuck with smokes,gas,trainers,buck/birdshot rounds.
G: Another thing I carried in the military i want nothing to do with in real life, IMHO coolness on a mall ninja scale. That's about it.

Thanks for the information. This is why I asked those with experience.

The video I watched sort of implied that this was almost a direct fire weapon. The "plate tests" they were doing were fucking retarded, but it didn't look like the cardboard was getting a lot outside of the immediate blast. I didn't know about the little BBs and shit that HK mentioned.

Sounds like explosives for citizens is a no-go. That being said, I prefer to restrict weapons based upon domestic and international use, not the status of the person wielding the weapon, so I might be inclined to deny their use by any authority within the continental U.S., except for military training.

[FunkyPertwee]

What do you guys think of flash bangs?

[Helen Keller]

you can own older ones but not the new style .

ATF's only rule on old bottom discharging models is You cannot disassemble the firing device.






BUT unless it's surplus, Nobody will sell you even old version unless Le/Govt. Too much liability.

[Hatedbysheeple]

What do you guys think of flash bangs?

In my opinion pretty harmless, wouldn't want one going off in my cargo pocket but I have eaten more than a few 9 bangers and couple m84's. If you know they are coming it's just loud noise, they need to be a surprise to work as intended.

They can cause burns and make you lose some fingers if you grip it when it detonates, and on rare occasion can start a fire, but those events are very rare if your not an idiot. We use them against each other in confined spaces all the time in training.

I would have to look up our disposal procedures, never been called for a dud fired one or had one fail to go yet.

I could see them having a legitimate home defense use, and if you accidentally bang one of your family members no big deal, escpecially if your from West Virginia.

[FunkyPertwee]

....BUT unless it's surplus, Nobody will sell you even old version unless Le/Govt. Too much liability.

Its starting to sounds like the litigious nature of our society is more to blame for a lack of availability of these types of devices than federal regulation is.

[FunkyPertwee]

In my opinion pretty harmless, wouldn't want one going off in my cargo pocket but I have eaten more than a few 9 bangers and couple m84's. If you know they are coming it's just loud noise, they need to be a surprise to work as intended.

They can cause burns and make you lose some fingers if you grip it when it detonates, and on rare occasion can start a fire, but those events are very rare if your not an idiot. We use them against each other in confined spaces all the time in training.

I would have to look up our disposal procedures, never been called for a dud fired one or had one fail to go yet.

I could see them having a legitimate home defense use, and if you accidentally bang one of your family members no big deal, escpecially if your from West Virginia.

Thanks again for the info.

Shit like Ferguson has me thinking that there may be a legitimate use for small explosives for citizens. It would be nice to have a little something extra in case of a violent mob.

The local historical precedent for the maintenance of armaments by the citizenry are the old downtown houses which were protected by wrought iron spiked gates and short barrel smooth bore cannons facing the street. The home owners wanted to be able to put serious firepower on any potential mobs of rebellious slaves.

I'm thinking there has got to be some sort of class of smaller explosive devices which would be suitable for citizens with and without uniforms.

[tank_monkey]

It would end up being a huge pain, just from a UXO stand point. The military does this stuff on dedicated ranges that are swept on a normal basis by people whose sole job it is to safely dispose of these things. With a rifle you keep the weapon pointed in a safe direction and unload, problem over. With any of these things the prescribed treatment is a wait time and then counter charge with a block of high explosives. You are getting into storing HE and initiators on site, having someone trained in demo and UXO disposal.

Full autos, suppressors, AOWs, SBR's, and non-explosive DD's are just guns, let them be bought and sold just like any other rifle or pistol. Explosives or explosive devices are not as forgiving when it comes to storage or improper use and as said above when they fail to work as intended making them safe is a whole different ball game. My problem with them having no regulation is not a fear of criminal use but of ignorance, apathy, and laziness in regards to there storage, safe handling, and disposal.

CORRECT!
Also...

Sorry but there are too many hazards that the average BUBBA will run into without (a) training and (b) a place to practice all the time. Too much hassle and danger from bad handling. A guy can create a lot more damage by being stupid ONCE, I'm sorry to say.

Seriously, for those of us who have served, we REALLY didn't want some of the Gomers in our unit to even be issued grenades, let alone, 40mm grenades and launchers. A firearm they can't fuck up if they execute good trigger discipline and barrel sweep.

I was NEVER comfortable with grenades or 40mm during training. I always had the thought in the back of my mind of "hey, a 5.56 or 7.62 round that blows out in the chamber or blows apart the gun, I can live with. A grenade???? um... yeah..."

[NAPOTS]

CORRECT!
Also...

Sorry but there are too many hazards that the average BUBBA will run into without (a) training and (b) a place to practice all the time. Too much hassle and danger from bad handling. A guy can create a lot more damage by being stupid ONCE, I'm sorry to say.

Seriously, for those of us who have served, we REALLY didn't want some of the Gomers in our unit to even be issued grenades, let alone, 40mm grenades and launchers. A firearm they can't fuck up if they execute good trigger discipline and barrel sweep.

I was NEVER comfortable with grenades or 40mm during training. I always had the thought in the back of my mind of "hey, a 5.56 or 7.62 round that blows out in the chamber or blows apart the gun, I can live with. A grenade???? um... yeah..."

What scared me was, well 1. the week or so they spend drilling the fear of God in grenades in you by having you hold them "with a death grip" scare the shit out of you about milking the spoon, and 2. then when you get to the range the pits are pocked marked from dumbasses who have dropped them. I want no part of grenades, sorry.

[FunkyPertwee]

You guys never see an RPG-7 in the hands of some african pirates on TV and think "that should be mine"?