After today, it's all historical.
Nice. I hope they use bonded Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot, if not develop something better.
Now I'm finally interested in their modular handgun idea.
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It's about time our military was allowed to fight our enemies using the same rules they use, none.
Geneva Convention?
Nietzsche: From life's school of war: what does not kill me makes me stronger.
Does the convention cover strapping bomb laden vests to women and children?
For that matter, did any middle eastern country sign any treaty or convention on how to wage a war yet be civil about it.
Always thought it silly that we had to use FMJ while our Air Force dropped cluster bombs, napalm and that phosphorous stuff.
Agreed, there has always been a double standard. I think the GC was conceived more for Western Europe (& the USA) than anywhere else. 3rd-World countries don't play by our rules...that figures into the whole 3rd-World, less-than-civilized dynamic I guess.
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Geneva convention was my first thought as well. As to the modular pistol, Sig is doing a lot with the concept.
Face your fear, accept your war.
or make a cast .356 Minie ball .. that will end shit quick.
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The Geneva convention does not address ammunition - that's the Hague convention. We are not signatories to that one, afaik.
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should have kept a rifle big enough to shoot Dum-Dums from the start.
speed kills varmints, but big fucking holes kill douchebags high on opium spraying AK's from the hip.
issue a 300 ultramag assault rifle and 10mm handgun and were in business.
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Never going to happen. 10 mm has to large of a grip and will have to much recoil for women and girly men. .300 Ultramag not the best choice, short barrel life. Heavy ammo, large recoil, muzzle blast, flash signature. Doesn't fit the theory that more bullets flying in the air equals more enemy killed or wounded. The military isn't ever coming off that doctrine. Only snipers are going to get anything bigger or special forces will have anything bigger than 5.56 IMO.
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it's "too"
I'd bet the 'futurists' back in the day never predicted we'd be up against high fucktards who are already willing to die for a child molester.
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With no troops in foreign lands just who are they going to use this ammunition against?
We have around 200,000 service members overseas at any given time with 300 or so of those being recently returned to Iraq and at least 10,000 still in Afghanistan.
My questions are:
Will the new HP ammo be NATO spec?
Will existing stockpiles of ball ammo be stored, sold off or scrapped?
Will HP be more or less effective when used against body armor/flak jackets?
Not sure how many ISIS or Al Queda types wear body armor but the Soviets and Chinese do and it seems ball would be better able to penetrate then HP.
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I would assume it will be NATO spec, but with 9mm is it even an issue? My issued sig is just an off the shelf p229, NSW uses off the shelf p226's and Army SF uses off the shelf glocks.
Existing stockpiles would probably be used for range practice, if not most likely burned, it is easier paperwork wise to just destroy it.
Soft body armor will stop handgun ammo both ball and HP so it doesn't really matter, and good plates will stop everything short of .50 BMG. You train failure to stop drills with your pistol for a reason.
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