Disappointed in Fox

[l921428x]

I do not like the way they set up the debate. I think I would have rather they draw lots
as to who was on the stage with the other candidates. But then again remember what the
IOTUS said about ISIS being the jv team.

Putting that aside, I think the first part went well for the candidate I support.

[ltorlo64]

I didn't get to watch but I read that Ms. Fiorina did pretty well. I believe she was in the smaller debate, if I understand what they were doing.

[jet3534]

Murdock hates Trump and the so called debate was conducted accordingly. The first setup "question" was asking all candidates to state they would never run as a 3rd party candidate which all did except for Trump. The first "question" to Trump from Megan Kelly was something about did he say some women looked good on her knees in a tweet and was that respectful to women? At that point I was thinking Megan Kelly would look good on her knees. Not the high road train of thought I admit, but we all are human.

After the debate a Drudge poll showed Trump as the clear winner at 47% of the responders compared to 3% for Jeb. For post coverage Fox had some focus group talking about how turned off they were by Trump. Fox continues to try to take down Trump and IMHO they are failing.

The only other thing I can say about the debate is Cruz came across as a guy who might actually try to do something if elected.

[l921428x]

I thought I heard Limbaugh say(Thursday) that fox had been given their marching orders (from the rnc and the big donors)
and those were to get Trump at all cost. So the questions were no surprise. But when asked about calling women fat cows
and other things, he said we do not have time to be PC anymore. He got a loud round of applause.


ETA: IIRC the left calling a VP candidate a cunt also drew applause from some of the the socmed crowd

[mrkalashnikov]

From what I saw of the debate I think Trump & Cruz came across the strongest. It was obvious the panel of moderators were going after The Donald, especially that byotch Kelly.

[CigarGuy]

He also explained why he gives money to anyone, including Pelosi and Clinton. That way, he can call them
when he needs something and they have to take his call.
So much for crony capitalism being bad..............

[l921428x]

Yeah I thought that exchange was excellent when Wallace kept pushing for details and what did the politicians do for you? What favors did you buy?
Trump answered basically that the money he had given hillary had gotten her to show up at his wedding. I thought Wallace's head was going to explode.

The candidates I am looking forward to voting for did really well.

Christy showed that he ignored the NSA spying.

[ltorlo64]

Some of what I heard this morning about the questioning of Trump was positive. The questions were hard but sooner or later they were going to be asked. By asking them now they got them out of the way now so that they can't be used as a "gotcha" later.

[sevlex]

Some of what I heard this morning about the questioning of Trump was positive. The questions were hard but sooner or later they were going to be asked. By asking them now they got them out of the way now so that they can't be used as a "gotcha" later.

Exactly. People are bitching about Kelly & Wallace asking "gotcha" questions, but those were going to be inevitable and you might as well get them out of the way now in a "friendly" environment.

[Goodman]

Exactly. People are bitching about Kelly & Wallace asking "gotcha" questions, but those were going to be inevitable and you might as well get them out of the way now in a "friendly" environment.

^ agreed.

This also lends Fox some credibility with other networks and the left. The question in my mind is- will the other networks hold Democrat candidates to the same scrutiny? Stay tuned, but don't hold your breath.

[5.56NATO]

When considering fox keep this in mind;
"How ironic is it that the FOX News where Sean Hannity has been howling about Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf wanting “Sharia law” to replace our existing laws is the very same FOX News whose parent company, the Rupert Murdoch controlled News Corporation, has as its second largest shareholder Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal?"
http://bigthink.com/Resurgence/shari...ox-news-parent

[imanaknut]

Watched both "debates" Fiorina really did a great job in debate light. In debate heavy, there was no doubt the moderators and station was out to hang Trump, or try to get him to hang himself. Unfortunately for them he showed why he has jumped so much in the ratings. He has a spine, will not back down and is not afraid to say what he thinks. That is so rare these days in the politically correct crowd, which Trump in fact blasted.

Never thought I would see the day when I really liked Trump as a political figure.

[nfa1934]

I think the moderators were legitimately going after Trump, not playing a strategic game. Fox is in the tank for Jeb (and failing that - Rubio). I just think that even Fox doesn't understand that Trump has broken the "apology cycle", where a politician says something unapproved, gets called out and hounded by the media, apologizes, then performs some sort of penance with their standing somewhat diminished afterward. There is no such thing as a "gotcha" question for someone who refuses to play the penitent role.

That being said, I think Trump was all bluster and little substance (though I really like the consternation he is causing with the media and pundit class). He doesn't even fully understand his pet issue. He's on the right side of the issue and understands the gravity of illegal immigration, but he just doesn't have a depth of knowledge on it. Our biggest problems right now are Central Americans funneling through Mexico, far more so than Mexicans themselves (though they are still a problem, especially their complicit government). The lack of depth shows everywhere. He didn't know who the head of the IRGC-QF was, but he knows Iran is a problem. Again, right side - but lack of depth.

I think the moderators also had marching orders to limit the opportunities for other candidates to "have a moment". Megyn Kelly even admitted as they were closing that they had a follow-up stand-alone question for Rand Paul on the NSA, but they decided to just let it go with the exchange with Christie. So Paul has to try to talk over fat-boy to make a point on his key issue, instead of presenting an uninterrupted reasoned response. Then Fox has the nerve to declare Christie the winner of the exchange, despite every other media outlet reporting the opposite and the opposite reflected in most website comments from the public.

I don't get the fawning over Carson's closing comments either. The joke was cute, but he didn't say anything more than you would get from a poorly executed locker room pep talk. I think Cruz had the best close. He clearly said what he was going to do, and everything he plans to do is something I want to see happen.

Debate aside, I still prefer Paul by a wide margin. Cruz is my second choice. He is about 90% of what I want to see. I could pull a lever enthusiastically for either of them. At some point, if Paul doesn't regain the standing he has lost over the last month, I will have to decide what will trigger a switch to Cruz. My biggest concern is that Paul represents a chance to challenge the Dems for voting demographics that are typically safely liberal. The key there is that a lot of liberal young people are truly classically "Liberal" but don't realize what the difference is, and they don't truly understand that the Dems are selling liberalism, but the Democratic party's statism couldn't be further from the true meaning of liberal. Paul taps into young people's desire to be liberal in its true sense. At some point, if we don't clue young people into classical Liberalism, the future is lost. Paul also beats Hillary in general election polling. Cruz doesn't.

I won't pull a lever for anyone other than Paul or Cruz.

[jet3534]

Trump is the only hope we have to stop the invasion of illegals. Fox did everything they could last night to make him look bad- even shined a red light in Trumps face to make his face look red, flushed, and angry This was obvious from pictures I saw today where Trumps skin tone appeared normal. The Megan Kelly cheap shot I think has damaged her far more than Trump. She is just anther media Ho as far as I am concerned. Al this talk of substance (i.e., Trump not having any) is total bullshit. What it comes down to with respect to any of these Republicans is will they stop the illegals invasion. Who other than Trump will do the job?

With respect to Paul - he is a libertarian which to some extent is good - but not good for border security. Libertarians don't believe in borders.

With respect to fat boy - he didn't deserve to be on the stage.

[jet3534]

He has a spine...

Testicular fortitude is what he has - something sadly lacking with our current President.

[nfa1934]

With respect to Paul - he is a libertarian which to some extent is good - but not good for border security. Libertarians don't believe in borders.

Paul's position is that the border must be secured before anything else is considered. The only way an open border becomes a consideration is if the Libertarians get everything else they want, in which case illegal immigration is a moot point since there is no longer any draw to come here and bleed the taxpayer dry. Libertarians don't believe in entitlements either. If entitlements still exist, then so does the border. Paul understands the order in which things have to happen to realize a Libertarian ideal.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I have felt like fox has drifted further and further left over the last several years. Last night really hurt them with me. I have been going to their site less often already, maybe its time to sever it and simply go to drudge. That really pissed me off last night. If I wanted msnbc, I would GO there.

[ltorlo64]

I have felt like fox has drifted further and further left over the last several years. Last night really hurt them with me. I have been going to their site less often already, maybe its time to sever it and simply go to drudge. That really pissed me off last night. If I wanted msnbc, I would GO there.

I have said for a long time that Fox is not conservative, they are just less liberal than everyone else. This does not make them conservative by a long shot. I use Drudge for the most part as it leads me to all sorts of other news outlets, conservative, liberal and in between for general news. I do targeted searches and reading when I am looking for information on a specific subject.

[blacksheep]

Screw fox, it looks like they where sucking leftist dick in order to get accolades from these shitbags on the left, I would tell them you're done hosting debates.

At least you know what to expect from the loony left, you don't expect Fox to stick it in your ass.

[Gunner1558]

I did not watch the debate. What I have heard, it would seem that fox has given up its claim to be "Fair and Balanced", for the way they went after Trump. He must have the whole political system losing sleep, the way they all go after him!