Anyone seen it yet?
If not, I highly recommend it. A very graphic and fairly accurate (but a bit unrealistic in what a handful of soldiers accomplish) movie about WW-II tank battles between American and German forces.
Don't want to give away any spoilers... so go see it or stream it (it's online at present).
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Saw it when It came out. They had the Long Barrel 75MM Main Gun, on their M-4-A3-E8. It was wonderful to see the REAL Tiger 1 Tank, owned by a private Collector in the Movie. maybe you noticed the Tiger was on Hard Dry Grass, and out in the Open The Owner did not want her Damaged. The Sherman's just ran around her, and Shot her in the Back, the only Weak Spot on a Tiger 1. I liked how the SS Kid, let our Guy go, at the end when he saw him under the Tank! I wondered as I left the Movie, was he going back to his Typewriter? Paul
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Originally Posted by Hobe Sound AK
I thought for sure when the SS guy saw the kid (Norman) under the tank, he was toast. But the SS guy looked young. Maybe he hadn't learned to hate his enemy yet.
It was rather interesting to me how the kid initially couldn't bring himself to fire on the enemy, but after the girl (Emma?) got killed, he couldn't wait to gun them down.
I doubt he was headed back to his typewriter.
I had to laugh at the shit-eatin' grin the kid had when he came out of the bedroom. Gives new meaning to "get some!"The girl looked rather pleased as well!
A rather shocking scene (which I can fully understand) was the guy who got lit on fire after his tank was hit and he shot himself in the head rather than burn to death.
When I was burned, I only had 20% of my body third degree burned and there were times that I seriously thought that it would be easier to die than to keep on suffering.
Multiple surgeries, skin grafts and the painful sites that they slice the good skin from to GET the graft skin are not at all fun. I can guarantee that.
And the pain meds (good strong stuff like morphine and dliaudid) don't do a damn thing but give you bad dreams It doesn't touch the pain though.
But, if I had the means on hand to actually do it, I probably wouldn't have (and I'd rather not find out).
Anyway, my dad (a B24 nose gunner, S/Sgt) in WW-II 1943 had a similar experience to Norman.
At first, shooting down enemy fighters used to make him sick (literally) even though he knew they were trying to kill him and his crew in the bomber.
Then during a mission, the bomber in front of him got a direct hit in the bomb bay from a Flak-88. The airplane blew in half and pieces of guys blazing on fire without chutes fell out of the wreckage.
His pilot had to make a wild evasive manuver to avoid the debris, then get back into formation.
After all the confusion was over, my dad saw drying streaks of blood and flesh sliding around the sides of his nose turret. After that, he hated the Germans and killed as many as he possibly could. It didn't make him sick anymore.
My dad almost bought the farm a lot of times. Once a piece of flak blasted through the side of the airplane, the shockwave slapped the back of his head (he thought it had hit him directly) and it went out the other side. If his head was a few inches to the rear, it would have blown his head off.
Another time a piece of flak shrapnel hit his turret, blew through the plexiglas, bounced around inside and landed on his leg, leaving a third degree+ burned hole in the top of his leg.
His bomber was shot down a total of three different times (he had to bail out three times - thank God always over Allied territory)
On one parachute landing, his chute filled up with wind and it dragged him along the ground. He hit his head on a large rock, tore off part of his scalp and was unconscious. Another member of his crew thought he was dead, but he woke up and the other guy gave him aide.
And he was a member of the "Lucky Bastard Club". He was the "one out of three" that actually finished all of the required missions and made it home alive.
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Thanks for sharing that! My dad was never in war, just a stint in the coast guard and never talked much about it. My gpop built airplanes during WWII in PA. Damn I wish he was still around to tell me about the depression and rationing ect during WWII.I thought for sure when the SS guy saw the kid (Norman) under the tank, he was toast. But the SS guy looked young. Maybe he hadn't learned to hate his enemy yet.
It was rather interesting to me how the kid initially couldn't bring himself to fire on the enemy, but after the girl (Emma?) got killed, he couldn't wait to gun them down.
I doubt he was headed back to his typewriter.
I had to laugh at the shit-eatin' grin the kid had when he came out of the bedroom. Gives new meaning to "get some!"
A rather shocking scene (which I can fully understand) was the guy who got lit on fire after his tank was hit and he shot himself in the head rather than burn to death.
When I was burned, I only had 20% of my body third degree burned and there were times that I seriously thought that it would be easier to die than to keep on suffering.
Multiple surgeries, skin grafts and the painful sites that they slice the good skin from to GET the graft skin are not at all fun. I can guarantee that.
And the pain meds (good strong stuff like morphine and dliaudid) don't do a damn thing but give you bad dreams It doesn't touch the pain though.
But, if I had the means on hand to actually do it, I probably wouldn't have (and I'd rather not find out).
Anyway, my dad (a B24 nose gunner, S/Sgt) in WW-II 1943 had a similar experience to Norman.
At first, shooting down enemy fighters used to make him sick (literally) even though he knew they were trying to kill him and his crew in the bomber.
Then during a mission, the bomber in front of him got a direct hit in the bomb bay from a Flak-88. The airplane blew in half and pieces of guys blazing on fire without chutes fell out of the wreckage.
His pilot had to make a wild evasive manuver to avoid the debris, then get back into formation.
After all the confusion was over, my dad saw drying streaks of blood and flesh sliding around the sides of his nose turret. After that, he hated the Germans and killed as many as he possibly could. It didn't make him sick anymore.
My dad almost bought the farm a lot of times. Once a piece of flak blasted through the side of the airplane, the shockwave slapped the back of his head (he thought it had hit him directly) and it went out the other side. If his head was a few inches to the rear, it would have blown his head off.
Another time a piece of flak shrapnel hit his turret, blew through the plexiglas, bounced around inside and landed on his leg, leaving a third degree+ burned hole in the top of his leg.
His bomber was shot down a total of three different times (he had to bail out three times - thank God always over Allied territory)
On one parachute landing, his chute filled up with wind and it dragged him along the ground. He hit his head on a large rock, tore off part of his scalp and was unconscious. Another member of his crew thought he was dead, but he woke up and the other guy gave him aide.
And he was a member of the "Lucky Bastard Club". He was the "one out of three" that actually finished all of the required missions and made it home alive.
Good movie...very intense.
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Good movie. I did come out last year though.
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Why would you brag about that? It might have been better to say nothing....especially around here...
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We saw it at the theaters. I will have to look for pictures. But I took my son and some of his friends. We all wore WWII era helmets.
It's a neat movie but they didn't give tigers to recruits, they gave them to the best most experienced crews so most Sherman guys had little chance in the real world. Something like 500 percent of Shermans in Normandy and the following battles to take Germany were lost. Of course, this isn't just due to tigers but 88 and 75mm antitank guns and mines too, and pretty much any German tank, from mk3s to stugs to mk4s could go one on one with a Sherman at less than say 700m. The beauty of the Sherman was it could fire on the move and was a bit more nimble than most of the German tanks, but firing on the move - a huge advantage - was seldom actually done.
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True! but Fast forward to April, 1945, both the M-26 and the Centurion came out one Month before the end of the War in Europe in May, 1945. The Germans knew the War was lost when we finally had a Gun higher than 75mm. Not counting the M-10, and the Special Sherman made in 105mm.
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Yes, but the main issue with the Sherman was armor, it just didn't have enough. A guy who was a captain in the engineers who rebuilt Sherman at the front said he saw a case where an 88 went through the front armor, a 5 inch steel driveshaft and various transmission parts, and still have energy enough to ping around inside. The newer allied tanks at the end of the war had a better gun and better suspensions but the armor was still more or less the same and thusly were subject to German guns. At least they could hit back from a distance rather than try to get at the flanks and rear.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
No the M-26 was our first REAL Tank! It had to have thicker Armor, it was Taller, Wider, Longer, with larger Engine, and 90mm Gun, it had to have thicker Armor! You cannot compare a M-4 with a M-26! Paul
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In Loving Memory of Montell W. Truitt 8 March, 1933, 3 June, 2021
Tank losses WWII
Soviet Union 86,000
Germany 49,900
UK 15,000
USA 10,000
What the heck does 86,000 destroyed tanks look like? Love WWII history, but I need to learn more about the Eastern front. Pure freakin carnage compared to the west.
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Study Kursk. Absolutely amazing. What went on in the east was brutal. Way worse than the west.
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My Grand Dad served as a tank commander in WWII in Africa and Europe. When visiting him one time we were taking a tour of an old Navy ship and when we looked at the 3" gun he told me something. The original guns on the Sherman tanks were more like a howitzer, designed to lob a shell at the enemy. When they started to fight against German tanks the lobbed shells would just bounce off the tank and then explode harmlessly (to the tank) on the ground. To fix this the Army got a bunch of 3" Navy guns which were about the same size as the gun in the Sherman and replaced them. The Navy guns were designed to shoot their rounds at a higher speed and thus flatter for the purpose of penetrating the armor of a ship. He told me that when his tank got that upgrade they at least had a chance against the German tanks. Before that they were mostly just making the German tanks mad and letting them know where the American tanks were.
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It was a good movie. I especially liked the tracer effects. Yes, it "went Hollywood" at the end with the one tank holding off a battalion of SS infantry who charge at them suicidally and don't use the many Panzerfausten that we saw them marching with earlier, but...excellent realism in vehicles and weapons and uniforms.
There are several other posts on it on here from back when it came out.
Yep, the mv of the original Shermans was enough to defeat the armor of lighter tanks common when it was designed but with heavy tanks the rounds would bounce off as you say. When they upgraded them to a fast mv they could stand on their own. Something like 2200fps to 2800fps, 2800fps being about what the German 88mm round went. I think the brits went with a 17pounder antitank gun in their Shermans, thusly creating the firefly.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
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