If Erdogan is deposed, isis will lose its main benefactor.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
So this is good or bad?
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Getting rid of Erdogan and instating someone who believes in human rights and not shariah will go a long way, the nwo will lose another country just as they lost Egypt and are losing Syria. Also, I wonder if this makes 0bama nervous.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
It's well past time. Erdogan is an islamist tyrant. His support of ISIS means he has lots of blood on his hands.
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Of course or shit potus comes out supporting Erdogen.! Worse yet, it seems the coup may be failing. If so, the welcome second Turkish caliphate.
Depends on who the military supports, and if they are anti-Isis it depends on how well they can hold control. I have seen quotes that the military commanders want to keep all existing foreign relationships and nato membership. The president of turkey is a well known member of the Muslim brotherhood and his son is the fence for all of ISIS's oil, so fuck him regardless.Originally Posted by rci2950
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The military is more secular and more "Pro USA". Erdogan is a hardcore Islamisist and is heavily suspected of being an outright ISIS sympathizer. He is basically an 'enemy who won't openly identify himself as an enemy' but prefers to stab us in the back in more subtle ways.
The Coup failing is a very bad thing.
Some folks think this was a clever 'set up' by Erdogan for several reasons. 1) to root out anti-Erdogan elements in the Turkish officer corps, and 2) Give President Erdogan a reason for stronger "presidential" powers, and move Turkey out of it's current Parliamentary system. This would then make Erdogan the supreme leader.
BTW, OBAMA is a strong supporter of Erdogan (the ISIS sympathizer)...... this is not surprising.....
If this coup isn't a false flag op, there might be a reason for it in a current rumour floating about.
Apparently erdogan made a deal with the cia puppet who runs Ukraine, Poroshenko, to place 250k muslims from Turkey, meaning isis, with full Ukrainian citizenship, into the region of Ukraine next to Crimea, wich is in Russian hands and is due to get the s400 air defense system shortly. These muslims would attack Crimea and attempt to drive the Russians out. Someone in the Turk military has to understand that this would be fatal to Turkey and would return Constantinople (today called Istanbul) as well as the rest of Turkey back under christian control.
"And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"
Any islamic country is worth nuking regardless of who is controlling it.
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The Army stated they were trying this to restore the country to its constitution which President Erdogan has been ignoring. Interesting that our President comes out in support of the Erdogan because he was elected and not in support of the Army who was trying to defend their constitution. Shows me just how little he cares for constitutions of any sort and the rule of law. Another example of how authoritarian his core beliefs are.
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Federal LE (including CIA) probably have plans in place for what to do if elements of the armed forces gets "out of hand".
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