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    Post Healthcare bill has passed the house

    Still a long way to go but until you start you you can't get any where. This is at least that start.
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    How is it different from obamacare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman View Post
    How is it different from obamacare?
    I can't say as I haven't read it. I intend to but at this point what is or isn't doesn't really matter. It's what it looks like after the senate passes their bill and then both bills go through the reconciliation or what ever the process is called before the final bill is voted on and presented to the President to be signed into law. At that point I can answer your question though I hope everyone will take enough interest to be able to answer their own questions.
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    Funny how the news media never made a big deal over Nancy Peloci stating you must pass the bill in order to know what is in the bill when talking about obamacare, yet the news is going crazy asking republicans if they have read the bill. The republicans proving how stupid they are by not quoting Peloci.

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    What I heard the most from Dems is that the CBO hadn't scored the new bill yet. Not sure how much difference that makes since they can only score it based on expected and not real figures and as I said above, the bill they would have scored wouldn't be the final bill signed into law.


    What I think is funny is the Dems keep saying 24 million will loose their coverage under this new bill. Currently 7.5 million opted to pay the fine rather than get coverage under Obamacare. At least 14 million are expected to loose coverage in 2018 if Ocare is left alone.
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    how about we just get rid of all of it? much of this is about votes and control. put those who truly can't afford healthcare on some type of medicaid. let those of us who work for a living get health insurance as we see fit. those who choose unwisely, can lick their own wounds.

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    If the Fed wants to get into the health care business, then run it as a business. Advertise it like insurance companies do, offer different plans, etc., but let it be just another insurance plan that people can buy into IF they want. If not, then they can choose their own insurance company.

    I know that the Fed can offer it cheaper than most private companies if they want to, but still offer it only as another choice consumers can opt into, or not.

    Open it up to capitalism and let the people decide.

    Anything else is just socialized medical care, as obama wanted it to be.

    If they can't do this, then it needs to be done away with.

    (It's amazing that we survived so long without obama care. How did we do it?......)
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    Some repeal of Obamacare is a good thing. What is not going to happen is the interstate sale of health insurance which Trump has promised and which would require Federal law to totally preempt State law and State insurance commissions.

    If this interstate sale of health insurance would lower rates as Trump and Pence have told us why is it not going to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    (It's amazing that we survived so long without obama care. How did we do it?......)
    That is the question I keep asking. Why do we have to repeal and replace. Why not just repeal.

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    Trying to find the place in the constitution, you know that pesky document that is supposed to be the supreme law of the land, that allows the federal government to run a business. Federal insurance would be so unconstitutional, but so what, the constitution has been stomped all over, at this point, what does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    That is the question I keep asking. Why do we have to repeal and replace. Why not just repeal.
    Bingo!

    The better idea is repeal & enforce anti-trust laws against the medical industry. Do that and watch prices tumble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    That is the question I keep asking. Why do we have to repeal and replace. Why not just repeal.

    What about the people that lost their insurance and had to sign up under Obama Care? Things are so screwed up by it they won't just go back to the way there were overnight. If you have Obama care and just had a surgery and they repeal it are you on the hook for the total cost since your insurance was just discarded? That's not going to help anyone out. That's also part of the Dems plan with this whole thing. Even people who didn't want it don't want to have nothing. They've managed to convince way too many people that health care is a right. It's all screwed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    Bingo!

    The better idea is repeal & enforce anti-trust laws against the medical industry. Do that and watch prices tumble.
    I find it hard to believe the answer to anything is more government involvement rather than less. Is there really anything the government has improved in our lives that

    A. we could and should do for ourselves or

    B. didn't end up costing 100 times more than it should have and only provided 10% of what it was supposed to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    What about the people that lost their insurance and had to sign up under Obama Care? Things are so screwed up by it they won't just go back to the way there were overnight. If you have Obama care and just had a surgery and they repeal it are you on the hook for the total cost since your insurance was just discarded? That's not going to help anyone out. That's also part of the Dems plan with this whole thing. Even people who didn't want it don't want to have nothing. They've managed to convince way too many people that health care is a right. It's all screwed up.
    What happens now if an Obamacare compliant healthcare insurer withdraws from your State or worse becomes insolvent? You are certainly correct that companies who left a market will not instantly jump back in. Can the damage be reversed? That remains to be seen. I really do believe the best bet for everyone is to eliminate Obamacare completely and allow Interstate sales of policies to promote competition. In the long run free enterprise and competition will always produce the best results. The fact that the Republicans want a replacement and not a repeal shows that the Republican party continues to drift to the left IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    If the Fed wants to get into the health care business, then run it as a business. Advertise it like insurance companies do, offer different plans, etc., but let it be just another insurance plan that people can buy into IF they want. If not, then they can choose their own insurance company.

    I know that the Fed can offer it cheaper than most private companies if they want to, but still offer it only as another choice consumers can opt into, or not.

    Open it up to capitalism and let the people decide.

    Anything else is just socialized medical care, as obama wanted it to be.

    If they can't do this, then it needs to be done away with.
    I retract this statement. Everything about a gov't sponsored health care system is unconstitutional and lends itself to socialism.

    obama care should be repealed and replaced with NOTHING. Let the free market have it back.
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    It has a provision where planned in-utero foetus vivisection funding is eliminated.
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    Scrap it all and go free market, it's a piece of shit because these assholes exempted themselves from it.


    If it ain't good enough for these politicians why the hell would any of us want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacksheep View Post
    Scrap it all and go free market, it's a piece of shit because these assholes exempted themselves from it.


    If it ain't good enough for these politicians why the hell would any of us want it.
    Can you post the source for your information please?

    I did a quick search and apparently Dems are making false claims
    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/05/con...p-health-bill/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/u...bill.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    Can you post the source for your information please?

    I did a quick search and apparently Dems are making false claims
    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/05/con...p-health-bill/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/04/u...bill.html?_r=0
    I don't remember the source, but when the original obama care bill passed, it did so with everyone in the government exempted. Why would they include themselves now?

    I'd love to see an amendment passed that ALL laws passed by Congress included everyone, even government officials.....
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