We pull out of the Paris accord.

[l921428x]

You won't need a link because according to the left we will
all be poisoned with the air and water and will be dead in 24 hours.
You have just enough time to kiss your wife, kids and do a little reflection
about you life.

It's not been long but glad I met ya.

[LAGC]

Nah, it's not going to be as dire as all that.

The truth is, as we've been continuing to move away from dirty coal and towards cleaner sources of energy like natural gas and renewables, we've been leveling off our carbon footprint already for quite some time. And those coal jobs aren't coming back, despite Trump's lofty campaign promises, because coal just can't compete with the cheap cost of gas right now and for the foreseeable near future.

And at least so long as the rest of the world adheres to it, global carbon emissions should continue to decline, even without our commitments.

We're not going to all be dying off any time soon... unless globothermonuclear war happens or something.

[Altarboy]

Aw hell, now I will have beachfront property...right here in Tennessee.

[Richard Simmons]

Nah, it's not going to be as dire as all that.

The truth is, as we've been continuing to move away from dirty coal and towards cleaner sources of energy like natural gas and renewables, we've been leveling off our carbon footprint already for quite some time. And those coal jobs aren't coming back, despite Trump's lofty campaign promises, because coal just can't compete with the cheap cost of gas right now and for the foreseeable near future.

And at least so long as the rest of the world adheres to it, global carbon emissions should continue to decline, even without our commitments.

We're not going to all be dying off any time soon... unless globothermonuclear war happens or something.

That's the problem. From what I heard the biggest polluters, China and India don't even have to start reductions until 2030.

[LAGC]

That's the problem. From what I heard the biggest polluters, China and India don't even have to start reductions until 2030.

Yes, it was largely symbolic more than anything. China and India are a big problem because that's where all the manufacturing is these days. But even they are feeling the pinch of the "global free market" these days. Sounds like a quite a few of the new manufacturing jobs are now leaving even China for cheaper places like Malaysia and Singapore where labor costs are even cheaper. So their carbon footprints are probably going to be going down by themselves as well over the next decade.

[jet3534]

In discussing the global warming scam we should NEVER use the word pollution or use a context that implies that CO2 is somehow related to pollution. Pollution is bad. However, CO2 is not pollution. It is a trace gas that is necessary for life - i.e., the Carbon cycle. CO2 is far below optimum levels for plant life and current levels are far less than in the past. This should be clear to all since the Carbon in fossil fuels was taken from the atmosphere. Global warming is nothing more than a scam to create value in something that has no intrinsic value, i.e., carbon credits - and then redistribute income via the buying a selling of carbon credits. No doubt the UN game plan for the U.S. and Europe is to force is to force the white man to buy carbon credits from Africans. Thus via the global warming scam the white man's burden can be made even heavier.

The fact that people buy into global warming is proof that mass numbers of people can be induced to suspend critical thinking.

I give Trump credit for telling the global warming crowd to take a flying fuck.

[l921428x]

What are the 4 gases that make up the global warming universe?

[alismith]

What are the 4 gases that make up the global warming universe?

Cow farts, Leftist exhalations, mosquito propwash, and political speeches.

[jet3534]

What are the 4 gases that make up the global warming universe?

I guess this is a trick question since there are seven - the main ones being the three listed below. I understand Obama was trying to attack the methane problem with an operation called "breaking wind."

CO2
Water Vapor
Methane

[l921428x]

Cow farts, Leftist exhalations, mosquito propwash, and political speeches.

The exaltation's and speeches are the same and the prop wash are wind farms. Think harder.

[imanaknut]

I have said this so many times I get sick of saying it, but...

Climate change, formally global warming, formally global cooling is as stated, something dreamed up to control freedom. This earth goes through cycles that these morons refuse to admit. Shrinking glaciers are normal, no help needed from man nor beast. They refuse to admit how long this planet has been warming, well before two footed morons ever walked on it. Reports from the same scientific community tell me that at one time there was a one mile think sheet of ice where my house now stands. I try to imagine that, a 5000 foot plus thick slab of glacier where I know lay out back enjoying the warm sun.

Silly thing that sun going through heat cycles that have politicians using to advance their socialistic ways.

[Krupski]

Nah, it's not going to be as dire as all that.

The truth is, as we've been continuing to move away from dirty coal and towards cleaner sources of energy like natural gas and renewables, we've been leveling off our carbon footprint already for quite some time. And those coal jobs aren't coming back, despite Trump's lofty campaign promises, because coal just can't compete with the cheap cost of gas right now and for the foreseeable near future.

And at least so long as the rest of the world adheres to it, global carbon emissions should continue to decline, even without our commitments.

We're not going to all be dying off any time soon... unless globothermonuclear war happens or something.

How can you talk about a "carbon footprint" and be taken seriously?

If you look at graphs that compare global temperature trends overlaid with carbon emissions, you will see several important things:

(1) The global temperature is on a slow but steady increase, following roughly a sinusoidal shape.
(2) Industrial carbon emissions were very low until the industrial revolution, and they really spiked starting with WW-II and have continued to climb.
(3) Despite the fact that the SLOPE of the carbon emissions graph increases dramatically starting around WW-II, the slope of planetary temperature change has not changed to match. In other words, global temperatures are NOT affected. Even if you consider that there would probably be a time lag between carbon emission and temperature change (the earth can't warm instantly), it's been over 70 years since WW-II ended and still there is no change in slope of global temperature change.


As you know, plant life absorbs carbon dioxide and, using sunlight and chlorophyll, they convert the CO2 into carbohydrates (food) and release oxygen as a waste product. However, it's not trees, plants and grass that control the CO2/O2 balance... it's the immense biomass of green plant life in our OCEANS (algae, etc...) that convert most of the CO2. Also, carbon is consumed by ocean life to make shells (calcium carbonate and calcium phosphate). When they die, their shells sink to the ocean floor, thereby "trapping" or "sequestering" the carbon they used.

If the oceans get warmer (due to CO2), more green plant life will grow and consume more carbon, thereby balancing the system.

But, all of this is irrelevant because industrial carbon emissions are a minute percentage of the total carbon in the ecosystem. Translation: We couldn't make the planet warmer with CO2 if we TRIED.

Also, water vapor (clouds, simple humidity) is a MUCH more potent "greenhouse gas" than CO2 (ever notice cloudy winter nights are warmer than clear ones?). The water vapor keeps heat and infrared energy from radiating back out into space (it keeps our heat in). As far as I know, we've had clouds WAY before mankind even existed let alone put the first CO2 molecules into the air when he discovered fire.

And, how do you account for previous warm and cold periods in earth's history, way before the "carbon" baloney (such as the ice ages, the "medieval climate optimum" warm period, etc...)?

How do you account for other planets in our solar system warming lately? The polar caps on Mars are getting smaller, the IR radiation amount and wavelength of Venus and Mars is observed to indicate global warming on those planets.

Is OUR carbon and cow farts causing Mars to warm up?

Sorry, I know the "Globull Warming" trend is a fun thing for some (and a potential money maker for others), but the fact is that our entire solar system is controlled by the SUN and there's not anything a democrat or a republican or even Al Gore can do about it.

The heat flux of the sun varies slowly in a roughly sinusoidal manner, suspected to be caused by sinusoidal movement of the sun and solar system in orbit around the center of our galaxy.

The sun's energy output has changed constantly throughout it's lifetime. It's gradually getting hotter, it has an 11 year sunspot cycle, it pulsates in diameter once in about 160 minutes. In fact, the pulsation can be measured by doppler (the michelson doppler interferometer) and, if the cycle is sped up into the audible range, the pulsing of the sun creates an eerie and haunting sound:

LINK for various oscillation modes of the sun.

Anyway... bottom line: Mother Nature controls the temperature of the earth. You can't do a damn thing about it. I can't do a damn thing about it. Al Gore can't do a damn thing about it.

[LAGC]

Oh, Krup. I'm not going to get in a big argument with you about it again. We had enough of those back in the day.

Coming from a scientific/engineering background yourself though, I would expect you to know better. Or at least defer to the scientists who study this shit for a living that do.

But regardless, I agree that much of the panic and hysteria has been over-hyped. The bottom-line is that science/technology got us into this mess with industrialization and mass pollution in the first place, and I have no doubt science/technology will find us a way out.

We're not THAT dumb of a species. We've definitely worked our way out of a few pickles before. While we may have to deal with some of the short-term consequences such as increasing ocean acidification changing ecosystems and rising sea levels and regional droughts, I have no doubt our bright minds and scientists and engineers will figure out ways to cope.

It's definitely not a TEOTWAWKI scenario or anything, so no reason to get totally alarmed. We'll figure out a way to survive. We have countless times before.

[alismith]

Oh, Krup. I'm not going to get in a big argument with you about it again. We had enough of those back in the day.

Coming from a scientific/engineering background yourself though, I would expect you to know better. Or at least defer to the scientists who study this shit for a living that do.

But regardless, I agree that much of the panic and hysteria has been over-hyped. The bottom-line is that science/technology got us into this mess with industrialization and mass pollution in the first place, and I have no doubt science/technology will find us a way out.

We're not THAT dumb of a species. We've definitely worked our way out of a few pickles before. While we may have to deal with some of the short-term consequences such as increasing ocean acidification changing ecosystems and rising sea levels and regional droughts, I have no doubt our bright minds and scientists and engineers will figure out ways to cope.

It's definitely not a TEOTWAWKI scenario or anything, so no reason to get totally alarmed. We'll figure out a way to survive. We have countless times before.

Hazarding a repeat of earlier arguments, many people forget these basic facts:

1) The world's climate is in a cyclical pattern. We're still in the Ice Age period. The last ice age was about 10,000-12,000 years ago. We are in the warm period between ice ages now. Based on averages, we still have about 2,000 years of warming to go before it starts a period of cooling off. Then, we will begin a cooling off period until we enter another ice age.

2) Man-made global warming been proven to be false science and a fraud based on emails intercepted just before this hoax was started. The emails talked about setting up a false narrative of "evidence" to show the earth's climate is warming and it's to be blamed on industrialization.

3) "Evidence" has been tampered with to "prove" the temperatures are rising.

4) "Sea level rising" is the result of subsidence due to the retreat of the last continental glaciers. The glaciers are still retreating and the sea level will continue to "rise." This cycle has happened many times since the Cretaceous Period.

5) Man-made global warming is a hoax that lines the pockets of the few at the expense of the many. It is a socialist's wet dream of control of everything, from means of production to everything that affects peoples' daily lives. It allows the government to enter areas that were previously forbidden.

6) Man-made global warming is a fabrication of pseudo-science that supplants real science. It can't be proven using the scientific method, therefore it can't be called real science. It will always be open to debate.

7) It is political in concept and in practice. When those in charge are trying to prevent (either through the courts, or through other means) any refutation of the concept, that should draw instant attention to its true validity. If the concepts and findings can't stand on their own, then they are automatically suspect.

8) Those with little scientific background, and understanding of scientific principles, are the ones most likely to fall for this charade. It is a charade foisted on the public by the rich in the hopes to gain more control and wealth.

9) Look closely at those who are the "leaders" of this movement. They don't follow the concepts they are espousing. They drive large, expensive vehicles, they fly all over the world, they accumulate large amounts of products that are not ecologically friendly. They don't care about anything they are preaching. However, they think nothing of forcing us to follow the "rules" while they shun them.

10) Everything about man-made global warming is smoke and mirrors and, yet, there are many people who believe the hype because their lives aren't complete unless they feel they are doing something "worthwhile." This man-made global warming is the opiate of the masses and Al Gore is the Messiah.

[NAPOTS]

I guess I am another engineer that should know better. I think global warming is a crock of shit and I know many other engineers who think the same thing.

It is about re-distribution of wealth from wealthy industrial nations to poorer developing nations, that's it. It created a bullshit carbon economy out of nothing with the sole purpose of making certain people rich.

This is the greatest fraud ever perpetuated on the scientific community and I am surprised it has gone on as long as it has.

[5.56NATO]

Until al gore and 0bama start living in caves and give up their 13 car motorcades and jet aircraft and multimilliondollar mansions and vacations I'll just ignore globular warmins for the hoax it is.

[jet3534]

Hazarding a repeat of earlier arguments, many people forget these basic facts:

1) The world's climate is in a cyclical pattern. We're still in the Ice Age period. The last ice age was about 10,000-12,000 years ago. We are in the warm period between ice ages now. Based on averages, we still have about 2,000 years of warming to go before it starts a period of cooling off. Then, we will begin a cooling off period until we enter another ice age.

2) Man-made global warming been proven to be false science and a fraud based on emails intercepted just before this hoax was started. The emails talked about setting up a false narrative of "evidence" to show the earth's climate is warming and it's to be blamed on industrialization.

3) "Evidence" has been tampered with to "prove" the temperatures are rising.

4) "Sea level rising" is the result of subsidence due to the retreat of the last continental glaciers. The glaciers are still retreating and the sea level will continue to "rise." This cycle has happened many times since the Cretaceous Period.

5) Man-made global warming is a hoax that lines the pockets of the few at the expense of the many. It is a socialist's wet dream of control of everything, from means of production to everything that affects peoples' daily lives. It allows the government to enter areas that were previously forbidden.

6) Man-made global warming is a fabrication of pseudo-science that supplants real science. It can't be proven using the scientific method, therefore it can't be called real science. It will always be open to debate.

7) It is political in concept and in practice. When those in charge are trying to prevent (either through the courts, or through other means) any refutation of the concept, that should draw instant attention to its true validity. If the concepts and findings can't stand on their own, then they are automatically suspect.

8) Those with little scientific background, and understanding of scientific principles, are the ones most likely to fall for this charade. It is a charade foisted on the public by the rich in the hopes to gain more control and wealth.

9) Look closely at those who are the "leaders" of this movement. They don't follow the concepts they are espousing. They drive large, expensive vehicles, they fly all over the world, they accumulate large amounts of products that are not ecologically friendly. They don't care about anything they are preaching. However, they think nothing of forcing us to follow the "rules" while they shun them.

10) Everything about man-made global warming is smoke and mirrors and, yet, there are many people who believe the hype because their lives aren't complete unless they feel they are doing something "worthwhile." This man-made global warming is the opiate of the masses and Al Gore is the Messiah.

With respect to #9 they could have climate change telecons -- instead of traveling to Paris - but Paris has haute cuisine and high end prostitutes.

[sevlex]

I guess I am another engineer that should know better. I think global warming is a crock of shit and I know many other engineers who think the same thing.

It is about re-distribution of wealth from wealthy industrial nations to poorer developing nations, that's it. It created a bullshit carbon economy out of nothing with the sole purpose of making certain people rich.

This is the greatest fraud ever perpetuated on the scientific community and I am surprised it has gone on as long as it has.

This is why Elon Musk is so bent out of shape. His entire business model is based on receiving taxpayer money. This parasite is watching his future evaporate before his eyes.

[alismith]

I guess I am another engineer that should know better. I think global warming is a crock of shit and I know many other engineers who think the same thing.

It is about re-distribution of wealth from wealthy industrial nations to poorer developing nations, that's it. It created a bullshit carbon economy out of nothing with the sole purpose of making certain people rich.

This is the greatest fraud ever perpetuated on the scientific community and I am surprised it has gone on as long as it has.

"Developing nations" is a term that is nothing but a lie. These nations either refuse to "develop" or they just plain don't know how to "develop." They've been "developing" for the last 100 years and still aren't very far out of neolithic technologies.

Just pouring more money into them is a total waste. Their leaders confiscate the money and let their citizens remain in the squalor they live in. Even if the citizens did receive the money, I doubt they'd know what to do with it other than squander it on status quo items like big cars, large gold rings and other assorted bling they'd wear around their necks.

If these countries really want to "develop," then they need to make a serious effort to do so.

[Krupski]

Oh, Krup. I'm not going to get in a big argument with you about it again. We had enough of those back in the day.

Coming from a scientific/engineering background yourself though, I would expect you to know better. Or at least defer to the scientists who study this shit for a living that do.

I DO know better (hence my previous post).

This "globull warming" (sorry now it's "climate change") is like saying "don't pour a gallon of red dye in the ocean, you'll make the entire planet red!".

There isn't enough red dye on the planet to even faintly tint our water.

That's the scale of the effect of CO2 on the planet. Insignificant... zip... zero... null...

If YOU want to pay fraudulent "carbon taxes" for a sick, sad joke... be my guest.

But don't expect me to believe Al Gore or "defer" to the pseudo-"scientists" who perpetrate this hoax on us.

While we're here, please explain to me, "scientifically", why the other planets in our solar system are also slowly warming. I DO know that cow farts on earth are NOT reaching all the way to Mars.

And, how about past ice ages and global warm periods which occurred LONG ago. Explain those please.