Yes I was referring to both Planes, the smaller version of the C-130 is the 131 also known as the Cargo master. I flew on one back in 1980, Yes I was also referring to the C-141 also but forgot the Number of it. The 141 is also known as the Star Lifter. The C-17 is the best Cargo Plane the Air force has ever had. They cannot hold on to the C-130 forever, unlike the A-10 which can go on for quite some time, it has no equal.
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Sounds like it was still in one piece. Eyewitness accounts I read said they hear something like a train and saw it tumbling from the sky. Others report it "burst into flames on impact". Lots of things sound like a boom including sonic booms which aren't explosions at all of course this plane wouldn't have created a sonic boom, just saying.Originally Posted by 5.56NATO
I don't want to ruin any fantasies for anyone so yes, it's possible someone planted a bomb onboard. It's also possible that some jihadi enfiltrated a MARSOC unit, pulled a pin on a grenade and killed his close knit group of fellow SecOps Warriors. It's also possible that some item of cargo/ordnance was improperly secured and detonated. Lastly it is entirely possible that it was all the result of equipment failure.
I've tried to present some plausible facts for the more plausible options.
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One man said he heard multiple explosions, said he heard the ammo detonating as the plane
was coming down.
Anyone seen a manifest yet?
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Ammo, at least small arms ammo doesn't "detonate" AFAIK but perhaps Hatedbysheeple can tell us for sure? He might have heard something but I bet it wasn't ammo.
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multiple explosion sounds at high altitude can be related to the capillary effect of most aircrafts' fuel systems when shit goes majorly wrong.
Make a paper airplane, whirl it around with your hand on a common horizontal plain.
Now take the same paper airplane and rip it up and down at the same speed you were making it go around with.
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I'd have to disagree with your hours being higher in the military. Your average commercial aircraft is being run 24 hours a day except for maintenance, Where military aircraft are sitting.
Look at the birth date of most commercial planes VS military.
When a commercial plane takes off it hits basic azimuths for it's intended location, same ones do it non stop day after day like a bus route.
Mil. plane might get deployed, get the shit beat out of it, retrofitted with some new parts/avionics and it's back in the sky for years.
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Maybe detonate is too strong a word(it was mine) but he did say he heard ammo going off.
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In the news footage shown locally, the ashes of the burned plane seemed to show burn marks in the field as if the plane had burned in place. There were two distinct areas on either side of the fuselage that could only have been the wings. The remains of the fuselage was also there. Unfortunately, they switched to something else before I could get a good look at the tail section.
If the plane was spinning (corkscrewing), it may have slowed or stopped before it hit as there didn't appear to be any rotational distortion of the ground surface or warping and twisting of the wings or fuselage. There also appeared to be only slight ground disturbance behind the plane so forward motion may have been minimal as well.
FYI - the video I saw was an ariel view.
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The plane fell in two sections, one was everything forward of the wings, the other the rest. That's why there's debris for a mile or two as well as bodies, ammo, etc and two main crash sites. My take is the b52s fly every day and are older than these things so why don't we hear about b52s exploding in mid air?
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Many colleagues/friends in a FB group I am a part of, knew some 'em personally...It's a solemn shit show. May they rest in Valhalla...Fair winds and fellow sea's
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Probably because midair explosions aren't very common among any type of aircraft. You also have to consider that a B52 isn't used as a cargo aircraft flying cargo and personnel all over the place. Kind of like driving one car only on the interstate for 100 miles everyday and driving another 100 miles in town. More wear and tear on one than the other
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I was just reading about Mike Riconosciuto today, how he tried to alert the fedz that 911 was coming the month before it happened, as well as the same terrorist org's importation of various Russian made manpads. Just saying.
You might recall Mike Riconosciuto from the PROMIS/Inslaw case, Iran/Contra, and Tim Osman aka Usama Bin Laden fame. Mike was released from prison only a few weeks ago from his 1990s fabricated meth conviction.
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Question as you mentioned Sept,11, I wanted to ask about that Ridge, on the Bottom of the Airliner one of the Planes that hit the W.T.C. Liberals go nuts on that Photo, Yes I have seen it, (The Bump or ridge running along the bottom of the Plane. does anyone know what it really is? Those stupid libs. think The Plane was Radio Controled.
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Yeah, but what about the "boom" witnesses heard before the plane started to fall?
Dollars to doughnuts there was a muzzie on board making his grand "jihad".
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There's a difference between a tire failure causing a car crash and something going "boom" that catches everyone's attention just before the car crashes.
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Unconfined ammo cooking off just makes a relatively weak popping sound. You certainly would not hear ammo cooking off inside the airplane as it was falling.
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