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    New Jersey Style Big Government

    Well we can see that Chris "fat fuck" Christie is another Republican who doesn't believe in freedom. You can joint the military at 17 but can't buy a pack of smokes in New Jersey. People sure love big government and being told what to do.

    http://www.nj.com/healthfit/index.ss..._under_21.html

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    you can join at 17, how about a cold beer? we went through this in the 70s. some states lowered the drinking age to 18. in the 80s and 90s uncle threatened to withhold $$$ and it went to 21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntryboy View Post
    you can join at 17, how about a cold beer? we went through this in the 70s. some states lowered the drinking age to 18. in the 80s and 90s uncle threatened to withhold $$$ and it went to 21.
    we did it here in CA, have to be 21 to buy cigarettes.

    I don't get it, you either are an adult or you aren't, I don't understand only partially only being able to make your own decisions.

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    Well Obowmecare says you can stay on mommy & daddy's insurance policy till you're 26, seems to me they want to control you longer and longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    Well we can see that Chris "fat fuck" Christie is another Republican who doesn't believe in freedom. You can joint the military at 17 but can't buy a pack of smokes in New Jersey. People sure love big government and being told what to do.

    http://www.nj.com/healthfit/index.ss..._under_21.html
    New Jersey already had banned tobacco sales to anyone under 19. But the bill's advocates pushed for a higher age pointing to studies that show youth who don't take up smoking into their early 20s will never make it a habit.
    Bunch of crap. Most kids start smoking way before age 20.

    When I was 10, my friend (also 10) swiped a pack of his dad's cigarettes and we both rode our bikes to the tracks and lit up one each.

    I inhaled deeply. turned greener than Pepe the Frog and puked my guts out until they were empty, then I continued dry heaving for about 15 minutes or so.

    I never touched a cigarette or cigar or any other "smoking thing" after that (aside from occasional weed) and I thank God that happened, because I never became a smoker.
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    Well, it sounds like Trump wants to get rid of Sessions.

    Let's hope he doesn't bring Christie back into the fold... just what we need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    Well, it sounds like Trump wants to get rid of Sessions.

    Let's hope he doesn't bring Christie back into the fold... just what we need.
    I'm hearing Rudy Giuliani's name being mentioned, will see.

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    I don't think Giuliani wants the job. He just came out on CNN saying he supported Sessions' decision to recuse himself over the whole Russia probe thing:

    (CNN) Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani on Monday swatted away a report that he is a contender to replace Attorney General Jeff Sessions, and said Sessions made the right decision to recuse himself from the Russia investigation.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politi...ons/index.html

    But Christie's been sucking up to and brown-nosing Trump lately... I think he really wants that job (Attorney General).
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    Here is a little story that shows how this country has changed in my lifetime. Many years ago .22 rimfire ammo was sold at the 7-Eleven near where I lived. At the age of about 16 my buddy and I wanted to get some ammo for our .22 rifles and headed up to the 7-Eleven. Pondering the fact that we were under 18 we questioned if the clerk would sell us ammo. In order to look older we decided to (and did) walk into the 7-Eleven smoking cigarettes. So in 1967 you had two minors, with access to guns, smoking in public, and buying ammunition. What was a non-event then would probably be a major incident today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuntryboy View Post
    you can join at 17, how about a cold beer? we went through this in the 70s. some states lowered the drinking age to 18. in the 80s and 90s uncle threatened to withhold $$$ and it went to 21.
    In 1972, Illinois dropped the age for beer and wine to 18. Three years later, they realized all the problems it was causing and, on 1/1/76, raised it back to 21.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    Here is a little story that shows how this country has changed in my lifetime. Many years ago .22 rimfire ammo was sold at the 7-Eleven near where I lived. At the age of about 16 my buddy and I wanted to get some ammo for our .22 rifles and headed up to the 7-Eleven. Pondering the fact that we were under 18 we questioned if the clerk would sell us ammo. In order to look older we decided to (and did) walk into the 7-Eleven smoking cigarettes. So in 1967 you had two minors, with access to guns, smoking in public, and buying ammunition. What was a non-event then would probably be a major incident today.
    When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. Anyone (including kids of any age) could just walk up, toss in some quarters (3 I think... 75 cents) and pull the knob. A pack fell into the tray and there ya go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. Anyone (including kids of any age) could just walk up, toss in some quarters (3 I think... 75 cents) and pull the knob. A pack fell into the tray and there ya go.
    You know, it really amazes me how society was ever able to function back then. Cigarettes in vending machines? Boxes of ammo at the convenience store? Riding around on bikes without helmets? Oversize soft drinks in the restaurants?

    How the hell was society ever able to function without the Nanny State stepping in to make sure everyone was "safe?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. Anyone (including kids of any age) could just walk up, toss in some quarters (3 I think... 75 cents) and pull the knob. A pack fell into the tray and there ya go.
    When I was a real young kid (mid-50's) my crippled neighbor would give me a quarter to go to the gas station and buy him a pack of cigs. I loved doing it because I got to keep the change. Cigs were less than 25 cents. Every time I went and got him some, the attendant would ask who they were for. When I told him it was for Mr. Booth (whom he knew couldn't walk), he gave me the cigs. No further questions. I was about 5 or 6. Not illegal at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alismith View Post
    When I was a real young kid (mid-50's) my crippled neighbor would give me a quarter to go to the gas station and buy him a pack of cigs. I loved doing it because I got to keep the change. Cigs were less than 25 cents. Every time I went and got him some, the attendant would ask who they were for. When I told him it was for Mr. Booth (whom he knew couldn't walk), he gave me the cigs. No further questions. I was about 5 or 6. Not illegal at that time.
    Yup that too. My dad would drive up to a gas station and give me the coins to buy him a pack of cigarettes. I told the clerk "They're for my dad" and he said OK and handed them over.

    Not today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    You know, it really amazes me how society was ever able to function back then. Cigarettes in vending machines? Boxes of ammo at the convenience store? Riding around on bikes without helmets? Oversize soft drinks in the restaurants?

    How the hell was society ever able to function without the Nanny State stepping in to make sure everyone was "safe?"
    Yeah and we didn't have seatbelts, airbags, anti-lock brakes, collision avoidance radar. We knew how to DRIVE (don't lock the brakes, actually WATCH where you are driving).

    Most things used tubes instead of transistors and IC's. The car radio used tubes and a vibrator (and some of the luxury radios had a motor drive to tune pre-selected stations). And they usually were AM only... no FM.

    We rode our bikes without helmets. We rubbed mercury laden Merthiolate on our cuts. We didn't lock our doors at home.

    EVERYTHING was Made in USA. EVERYTHING.

    We popped firecrackers (including... HORRORS!... M80, M100, silvertubes and cherry bombs)... we knew enough to THROW the damn thing after it was lit.

    Our cars didn't have catalytic converters, we used leaded gas, the gas cost 48 cents a gallon, when you bought gas a guy PUMPED IT FOR YOU and washed your windshield too.

    Men were men, women were women. Most families consisted of two parents (one male and one female) that got married and stayed married. Us kids didn't sass off at out parents or any other adults, else we got the strap across the ass.

    Mouth off to a neighbor? Dad didn't yell at the neighbor, he spanked MY ass for being disrespectful (and he was RIGHT).

    There was no "zero tolerance" bullshit. At school, the bully started a fight, the bully and the other kid took a few swings and the fight was over when one or the other got a bloody lip or black eye (then usually they shook hands afterwards).

    We didn't rat... EVER. The black eye? Oh I ran into the door frame. My parents knew it was a school fight, but said nothing.

    There were no cops called, no lawsuits, no suspensions or expulsions because of the fight. It was in the past... over and done with.

    Kids could ride their bikes day and night and not worry about being mugged by thugs or cops.

    We had dial phones wired to the wall... no fucking "smartphones" and no computers.

    We had black and white TV and it was just fine. When we got a color TV it was cool, but B&W wasn't so bad. We didn't have cable TV and 10 thousand channels of garbage, junk and porn. We had 3 or so local channels and that's it.

    An old TV usually needed some kind of "help" to stay tuned to a station like a rubber band that pulled the tuner knob just the right way and walk carefully past the set else the channel will go out again.

    I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Kids today sneer at the "black and white Leave it to Beaver" kind of typical American household, but that's how it was back then and it was a million times better than it is today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    In 1972, Illinois dropped the age for beer and wine to 18. Three years later, they realized all the problems it was casing and, on 1/1/76, raised it back to 21.
    Speaking of alcohol... when my sister and I went to a wedding, they served anyone who wanted a drink no problem.

    My sister was probably around 6 or 7 years old and I was around 11 or 12. At weddings (Polish weddings with polka music, the "chicken dance", etc..) my sister and I drank one after another of 7-7 (7-Up and Seagrams whisky) and we were plastered drunk, dancing on the stage, running around the dance floor, singing along with the band, having a grand fun time.

    We were just little kids and they gave us all the booze we wanted. After the reception was over, my mom and dad carried us to the car, dumped us on the back seat (no seatbelts of course) and drove home.

    I'm sure he carried us to bed afterwards, but I have no memory of it (haha!! )

    And guess what? We didn't die. We didn't turn into alcoholics or drug addicts or criminals. We just had fun.

    Today, fun is illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHunter View Post
    Three years later, they realized all the problems it was casing and, on 1/1/76, raised it back to 21.
    How could changing the drinking age "cause problems"?

    Kids drink what they want when they want.

    If they want it, they can get it. The "law" means nothing.

    For them, a change in the law is a non-issue.
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