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    Quote Originally Posted by Altarboy View Post
    Are you guys thinking this was a staged event? I just don't see it. It looks pretty freaking real to me. Maybe I am too gullible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Well, I'm not a "sound" engineer, but I did analyze audio from both the news feeds and also the "taxi driver's phone" audio.

    In my opinion, there are two different kinds of sounds on the taxi driver's sound:

    (1): Distant gunfire with a low, muffled sound

    (2): Very close gunfire, with echos approximately 1-1/2 second later indicating a distance between local gunfire and whatever it's echoing from to be about 840 feet.

    The "distant" gunfire sounds and the echos of the close gunfire not only sound different, but analyzing their spectrum using FFT, they are 100% certainly different sounds (that is, the distant gunfire and the echos from local gunfire are spectrally much different).

    To explain #2, the speed of sound is around 1125 feet per second. So, in one second sound travels about 0.213 miles. Divide by 2 because the sound from the local gunfire has to go out, then echo back, so the approximate distance is 0.107 miles times 1.5 for the actual delay or 840 feet.

    I am convinced that there were TWO distinctly different sources of gunfire sound.
    I think that could be explained by the two windows "the guy" used to fire from. If you look at the windows he used they are on different facings of the building. It would sound distinctly different, just look at the usual photos of the broken out windows. There's too many questions and no answers from the authorities which make me suspicious of what who and how it all played out but the sound differences aren't one of them in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    There's no doubt it really happened. Way too many victims and relatives/friends of loved ones who can testify to that.

    What is being questioned is the possible motive behind the shooter... whether he truly acted alone, or if perhaps he had some "help"...
    Actually I'm sure we have some members who would argue that it was all faked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    Actually I'm sure we have some members who would argue that it was all faked.
    I have to agree with LAGC here. The event happened, but the motives for the whole event are what is being questioned, as well as was this event staged or random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Patriot-of-many View Post
    I think that could be explained by the two windows "the guy" used to fire from. If you look at the windows he used they are on different facings of the building. It would sound distinctly different, just look at the usual photos of the broken out windows. There's too many questions and no answers from the authorities which make me suspicious of what who and how it all played out but the sound differences aren't one of them in my opinion.
    I mentioned this in post 115. And this BS about a note for bullet drop........give me a brake from calling it pure fiction.

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    Stephen Paddock’s Transactions Flagged For Possible “Covert Terrorism Financing”
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    The World of “Lee Harvey” Paddock Reveals What Happened and What’s Coming
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    It's currently unclear why Murren chose to sell when he did. To date, MGM's stock has not experienced a significant decline in value due to the repurchasing program. As the CEO of MGM, it runs against the company's interests to convey a sense of urgency in the selling personal stock of shares immediately after the announcement of my company’s share repurchase program. It's also strange that the CEO of a company would sell more than half of their stake (let alone 80%) in the company that they represented.
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    There are a couple of things I can't fully grasp.

    The first is I don't see how (long term) one can make money playing video poker on a machine that is programmed to pay out less than it takes in.

    The second is the large number of guns. I understand having multiple guns to address a possible malfunction, or guns overheating, etc. but hauling unneeded guns to the room seems like extra work that increases the risk of discovery. Why would you need more than say 4 rifles and maybe a handgun for when it came time to eat a bullet?

    A large number of guns is something the left likes to demonize and if elements of the crime were orchestrated, a large number of guns would certainly be considered when writing the scrip. Not saying a real shooting did not take place. However, I don't think we will get 100% of the facts that are uncovered by law enforcement.

    All casinos have excellent surveillance systems. Why aren't we seeing any surveillance footage of the perp bringing his shit into the casino or otherwise coming and going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    There are a couple of things I can't fully grasp.

    The first is I don't see how (long term) one can make money playing video poker on a machine that is programmed to pay out less than it takes in.

    The second is the large number of guns. I understand having multiple guns to address a possible malfunction, or guns overheating, etc. but hauling unneeded guns to the room seems like extra work that increases the risk of discovery. Why would you need more than say 4 rifles and maybe a handgun for when it came time to eat a bullet?

    A large number of guns is something the left likes to demonize and if elements of the crime were orchestrated, a large number of guns would certainly be considered when writing the scrip. Not saying a real shooting did not take place. However, I don't think we will get 100% of the facts that are uncovered by law enforcement.

    All casinos have excellent surveillance systems. Why aren't we seeing any surveillance footage of the perp bringing his shit into the casino or otherwise coming and going?
    Don't confuse video poker with video slots. Video poker you still pass, fold, etc., just like using real cards. As far as the number of guns, aren't we talking about an irrational, insane individual? Maybe he brought one for each of the voices in his head. Ever seen all the weapons in Bonnie & Clydesdale car? I admit I've wondered about surveillance cameras showing multiple trips with luggage. There may not be any or they haven't released it for a number of reasons, including it showed an accomplice they were still trying to identify and locate.

    I'd like to see a report on how many of those firearms were actually used? Did he just empty one and grab another? I'll looke back on the photos earlier in this thread but I don't recall any empty mags, just full ones and it seems like the rifles shown all had mags in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    There are a couple of things I can't fully grasp.

    The first is I don't see how (long term) one can make money playing video poker on a machine that is programmed to pay out less than it takes in.

    The second is the large number of guns. I understand having multiple guns to address a possible malfunction, or guns overheating, etc. but hauling unneeded guns to the room seems like extra work that increases the risk of discovery. Why would you need more than say 4 rifles and maybe a handgun for when it came time to eat a bullet?

    A large number of guns is something the left likes to demonize and if elements of the crime were orchestrated, a large number of guns would certainly be considered when writing the scrip. Not saying a real shooting did not take place. However, I don't think we will get 100% of the facts that are uncovered by law enforcement.

    All casinos have excellent surveillance systems. Why aren't we seeing any surveillance footage of the perp bringing his shit into the casino or otherwise coming and going?

    Yeah there were a bunch of rifles and 2 sniper hides when you can only shoot one at a time unless
    you were expecting company, this would be another reason for the cameras in the hallway....
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    Police change account of how massacre occurred

    Las Vegas: Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on October 1, revealing on Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert. The change raises new questions about why police weren't able to pinpoint the gunman's location sooner.

    Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada, shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest country music festival, an assault that began at 10.05 pm.

    Officials had previously credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman's attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest's room.

    But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said on Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting - at 9:59pm - and they now don't know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.
    http://www.theage.com.au/world/las-v...10-gyxp2z.html

    So that security guard DIDN'T interrupt the shooter... he was shot BEFORE the spree even started!

    What in the hell is going on here??
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    So that security guard DIDN'T interrupt the shooter... he was shot BEFORE the spree even started!

    What in the hell is going on here??
    I was just about to post this, but you beat me to it. On the non-conspiratorial side the article says that the shooting stopped at 10:15, 10 minutes after it started but police didn't show up for another 2 minutes. Another example of "when seconds count, police are only minutes away." This needs to be publicized near and far. Each shooting of this type, unless a police officer accidently happens to be on scene, takes minutes for help to arrive while the unarmed populace hide and hope.

    Next, and this could get conspirital, why did he stop? Loss of targets, gave himself a certain amount of time based on expected police response times? The answer to this, if we ever hear it, will be quite interesting. And it will probably have something to do with his motive as well.
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    I agree with the above. Another possibility, the shooter is getting ready to start since he knows the concert is about to end, sees the guard in the hall on his monitor and fires through the door. The shooter then spends the next 6 minutes breaking out the two windows, remember these aren't like breaking a window in your house and starts his killing spree.

    Why did he stop? Because he reached the point of no return. As fas as the descepancy about the guard my bet is they assumed he was the "hero" who stopped the shooting and he ran with it. After a week the evidence disproved that and or his conscience got the better of him.

    I'm winging it here but I also don't believe he fired 200 rounds at the guard. More likely he fired some rounds initially then fired more throughout the time he was shooting into the crowd. Assuming he turned from firing out the broken window and fired at the door perhaps those shots were audible from the outside. This might explain the second shooter theory some has espoused due to the sound of the gunshots.
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    More evidence of second shooter. This is an excellent forensic analysis:



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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    More evidence of second shooter. This is an excellent forensic analysis:



    Haven't had time to watch it all and it is pretty interesting. One question I have is using the different audio sources he has the gunshots and the sound of the rounds hitting the pavement. What about all the rounds from those reports that didn't hit pavement? Would that throw off his analysis or does he address that later in the video? I believe his research would be spot on it he had every report and every bullet strike from one central location.
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    Anyone see this?

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    According to this report, upon the FBI searching the Mandalay Bay Hotel room used by CIA gun runner Stephen Paddock, a cell phone charger was discovered that had no accompanying phone—with SVR technology experts noting that this type of charger is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery used in various communication devices by both US Special Forces and CIA forces.

    The company making this unique lithium battery, this report details, is Ultralife Corporation, based in Newark, New York, that specializes in military communications systems for the Pentagon—and whose lead engineer for this particular communication systems development was John Beilman.Listing himself as a “product design and manufacturing professional”, this report continues, John Beilman was employed by Ultralife Corporation between 2007-2012 where he worked on various top-secret communications systems for the US military—thereafter his leaving to become a top engineer at the General Motors research facility located in Rochester New York.

    Fearing that Ultralife Corporation had been secretly funneling their US military communications systems to the CIA, this report notes, this past Tuesday (3 October), the FBI raided the home of John Beilman under a secret US Federal Court warrant—and that caused Beilman, less than 12 hours later, during the early morning hours of Wednesday (4 October), to wheel out his severely disabled daughter Nicole into his home’s backyard where she was executed, with Beilman then killing himself too—and that was followed 48 hours later (6 October) by the Pentagon awarding Ultralife Corporation new contracts valued at over $49 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Laton Caliente View Post
    So based on the above they found a charger that is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery ? Now I'm not an "expert" like the ones mentioned in the copy above but why would you need a charger for a "Non-rechargeable" battery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    So based on the above they found a charger that is used to charge a CP502520 3.0V 600mAh Li-MnO2 Non-rechargeable Thin Cell Battery ? Now I'm not an "expert" like the ones mentioned in the copy above but why would you need a charger for a "Non-rechargeable" battery?
    Maybe they gotta be charged up for that first and only time? All batteries lose charge over time, so a charge from the factory will likely be gone in a few weeks to months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    Haven't had time to watch it all and it is pretty interesting. One question I have is using the different audio sources he has the gunshots and the sound of the rounds hitting the pavement. What about all the rounds from those reports that didn't hit pavement? Would that throw off his analysis or does he address that later in the video? I believe his research would be spot on it he had every report and every bullet strike from one central location.

    There was a problem found with gunfire source detection systems inside built up areas like cities; the concrete and brick reflects the sound all over and confuses the devices, wich is why I'm not too keen on using sound as a determiner of how many shooters there were. Maybe it works, maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet3534 View Post
    The second is the large number of guns.
    There is no evidence pointing to one gun, two guns or 20 guns. All we have is what the cops said.

    As you said (and as many others... including myself have said), if someone is planning a mass shooting, they would bring ONE rifle and lots of ammo and/or mags. Maybe a second rifle as a spare in case the first one jams, breaks an extractor or firing pin, etc... plus maybe one handgun for the finale (suicide).

    It makes NO sense to bring twenty-some firearms, and in several different calibers.

    The "arsenal of guns" is, IMHO, bullshit meant either to embellish the story or to add fuel to the "anti-gun fire".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    More evidence of second shooter. This is an excellent forensic analysis:



    He's a conspiracy theorist.

    Seriously... I did the same "analysis" this guy did and came up with virtually the same results.
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