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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    There is no evidence pointing to one gun, two guns or 20 guns. All we have is what the cops said.

    As you said (and as many others... including myself have said), if someone is planning a mass shooting, they would bring ONE rifle and lots of ammo and/or mags. Maybe a second rifle as a spare in case the first one jams, breaks an extractor or firing pin, etc... plus maybe one handgun for the finale (suicide).

    It makes NO sense to bring twenty-some firearms, and in several different calibers.

    The "arsenal of guns" is, IMHO, bullshit meant either to embellish the story or to add fuel to the "anti-gun fire".
    Can you really apply what makes sense to the actions of a mentally ill person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    Can you really apply what makes sense to the actions of a mentally ill person?
    Everything we "know" about the incident has come from the media, police and FBI.

    Don't know about you, but I tend to not believe anything that comes from those sources unless/until it's proven.

    Hint: I don't hold my breath waiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Everything we "know" about the incident has come from the media, police and FBI.

    Don't know about you, but I tend to not believe anything that comes from those sources unless/until it's proven.

    Hint: I don't hold my breath waiting.
    I was referring to your comment that it makes no sense to have that many guns. That may be true for most of us but for an insane person the same might not apply.

    Also if this was a totally planned, false flag event aimed at provoking gun control by once again killing or staging the killing of multiple Americans why not at least make sure the shooter was a member of the NRA? That would carry further and be much more plausible than the number of firearms.
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    and now his house has been burglarized.



    hmmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen Keller View Post
    and now his house has been burglarized.



    hmmm..
    Just saw that on FNC. Souvenir hunters?
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    Was the Las Vegas massacre another FBI terror plot that “accidentally” went live?
    http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...lly-went-live/
    (they've done it before, the 93 wtc bombing was a fbi op)

    Contrary to FBI Propaganda, Steven Paddock Fits the Profile of an Islamic Convert
    https://freedomoutpost.com/contrary-...lamic-convert/

    ISIS Has Video of Las Vegas Shooter Pledging Allegiance to Islamic State
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...islamic-state/

    At this point I'm thinking this is a fbi/cia/mossad/soros production using fake or real muj like in 911, timed to allow passage of even more unconstitutional treason.

    Also keep these images in mind;

    snapshot.jpg
    frame from shooter vid, note the buttstock under his shoulder as he opens fire on the crowd

    melbourne-antifa.jpg
    since redacted antifa post outing antifa member shooter aka soros antifa connection

    Screenshot-2017-10-05-at-2.28.39-PM.jpg
    typical fed emergency drills running concurrently with incident

    vegas.jpg
    hotel customer discloses hotel shooting an hour before concert attack on fb

    and my fave so far
    lanza.jpg
    She's Alex Israel, classmate of Adam Lanza (sandy hoax)! No wait she's Katie Foley, James Foley's (us reporter beheaded by isis) sister! No wait, she's a Las Vegas nurse! One busy lady.

    and just for kicks
    infowars-bill-hicks-hoax-factory.jpg
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    You can find anything on the web.

    https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-fo...-person.t4348/


    It's also been reported by the police that they no longer have a phone charger without a phone. They have been able to match everything up. I don't believe it. The police said there was an extra charger now there isn't. I only believe what they said the first time.

    Wait, it's the same people. Did they lie then or are they lying now? Maybe they aren't lying at all and made a mistake?
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    To add to the confusion:

    Hotel Worker Warned of Shooter Before Las Vegas Massacre
    https://stream.org/hotel-questions-r...egas-massacre/
    The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

    That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

    The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

    “We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline,” said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. “We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”
    ................

    I was going to post this earlier this afternoon
    I should have I guess because it has already been retitled and edited
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    It's also been reported by the police that they no longer have a phone charger without a phone. They have been able to match everything up. I don't believe it. The police said there was an extra charger now there isn't. I only believe what they said the first time.

    Wait, it's the same people. Did they lie then or are they lying now? Maybe they aren't lying at all and made a mistake?
    I work in a career where I get emergency reports fairly often. When something breaks I get a report within minutes of the event and I also provide reports to my CO and XO, again within minutes of the event. One thing this has taught me is that the first report, with the exception of the actual event (fire, flooding, equipment failure) is almost always wrong. There will be correct aspects to the report, but the report in total is wrong. The other day I had a motor controller for a fan fail. I asked if the motor was damaged, which was located inside a ventilation duct, and was told that is wasn't. I asked how they were sure and I was told to feel the motor casing as it was cool to the touch. I did, and it was, so I made my report to the CO and XO that the damage was limited to the controller and I based my repair estimate on that information. The next day while trouble shooting the controller it was determined that the motor was showing abnormal readings. We took the motor out of the vent duct and now we are replacing the motor because it was actually the first thing to fail, its failure caused the issues we had with the controller. Similar here. The farther we get from the event the more reliable the reports become as the information can be pieced together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Full Otto View Post
    To add to the confusion:

    Hotel Worker Warned of Shooter Before Las Vegas Massacre
    https://stream.org/hotel-questions-r...egas-massacre/
    The injured guard used his radio and possibly a hallway phone to also call hotel dispatchers for help.

    That account differs dramatically from the one police gave last week when they said Paddock fired through the door of his room and injured the unarmed guard after shooting into the crowd.

    The company that owns Mandalay Bay has questioned the new timeline.

    “We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline,” said Debra DeShong, a spokeswoman for MGM Resorts International. “We believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”
    ................

    I was going to post this earlier this afternoon
    I should have I guess because it has already been retitled and edited
    I also heard this morning that the Security Guard was actually hit by a bullet fragment and not shot in the way we would think when told someone was shot.
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    I totally and completely get the general inaccuracy of first reports. However, it's been 11 days. All I want is a clear timeline with photos and/or videos of Paddock checking in, carrying stuff to his room, going in and out the hotel, firing down the hall, cops in the hall, etc. This absolutely must exist, no large hotel doesn't have cameras everywhere in 2017.

    The lack of it now, coming on two weeks after the attack, is fueling conspiracy theories and I can understand why. Within a day or so of the Boston Marathon bombing we had all sorts of evidence.

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    What I'm reading now is the coroner stated Paddocks brain had no abnormalities. That means it was intact. He also stated cause of death was gunshot to the chest.

    Was this really a suicide?
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    i'm thinking one to the back of the head, or force blunt trauma to the head.
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    Las Vegas Security Guard Shot by Vegas Killer is Not Registered as a Security Guard in the State of Nevada?
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ate-of-nevada/

    Hotel questions new timeline of Vegas shooting
    http://q13fox.com/2017/10/10/hotel-q...egas-shooting/

    FBI Wipes Phones & Laptops of Las Vegas Massacre Eyewitnesses
    https://www.you-blog.club/2017/10/12...-eyewitnesses/

    Still no mention of other casinos/hotels being shot up in the fabrication/agenda media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    You can find anything on the web.

    https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-fo...-person.t4348/


    It's also been reported by the police that they no longer have a phone charger without a phone. They have been able to match everything up. I don't believe it. The police said there was an extra charger now there isn't. I only believe what they said the first time.

    Wait, it's the same people. Did they lie then or are they lying now? Maybe they aren't lying at all and made a mistake?
    Yeah, pretty sure your hoax site also says sandy hoax was real despite the 600 missing kids and teachers and video of actors walking out one door of the school and re-entering another. Perhaps you can find more propaganda to suit your agenda at snopes.
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    I don't usually watch him but Dr Oz had an interview today with Dr. Michael Welner and former FBI agent Tim Clemente
    Inside the Mind of a Mass Killer
    http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/brea...=5598903001001
    clips 3 through 5
    I found it worth watching no real answers but interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by sevlex View Post
    What I'm reading now is the coroner stated Paddocks brain had no abnormalities. That means it was intact. He also stated cause of death was gunshot to the chest.

    Was this really a suicide?
    Gotta link? Google isn't showing anything about a gunshot wound of any kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T2K View Post
    I totally and completely get the general inaccuracy of first reports. However, it's been 11 days. All I want is a clear timeline with photos and/or videos of Paddock checking in, carrying stuff to his room, going in and out the hotel, firing down the hall, cops in the hall, etc. This absolutely must exist, no large hotel doesn't have cameras everywhere in 2017.

    The lack of it now, coming on two weeks after the attack, is fueling conspiracy theories and I can understand why. Within a day or so of the Boston Marathon bombing we had all sorts of evidence.
    Google turned up a dozen or more sources reporting that a bell hop helped him with luggage on more than one occasion and as a VIP gambler he had use of the freight elevator.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/11...-timeline.html

    Is it true? Don't know but logic would dictate that it's obviously not impossible.
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    Here's where it says "no brain abnormalities"...um wouldn't a bullet through the brain be one?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...investigation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by T2K View Post
    Here's where it says "no brain abnormalities"...um wouldn't a bullet through the brain be one?

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/...investigation/
    Maybe it would have been better to say "there were no brain abnormalities in what was left."

    Looking at the picture posted earlier it looks like he shot himself in the chest.
    Last edited by ltorlo64; 10-13-2017 at 07:00 AM. Reason: Reviewed information.
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