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    I think some consideration should be made toward the ones that run the hotels and casinos.
    I'm not saying they were involved in the shooting but not much goes on there that they don't know about
    This may have gotten past them but they don't take kindly to someone disrupting their livelihood
    They have their ways of finding things out and taking care of it quietly in their own way
    Since this is so high profile it has to be handled with more discretion
    Any conclusion brought forth would have to look legit and credit going to proper agencies
    A good narrative has to be established so as not to disclose who's working with who
    That takes a little more time and not everyone will believe the result but it will be the official explanation
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    Anymore they can create faked shootings, even mass events, and the sheeple will believe it. Some day in the not too distant future they will try the Independence Day scenario and fake an alien invasion, where the only solution is to give up all human rights.
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    New Person of Interest Named in Vegas Massacre Case, "Douglas Haig"

    MESA, Ariz. (INTELLIHUB) As you may already be aware, a Las Vegas judge ruled on Tuesday that hundreds of pages of search warrants pertaining to the 1 Oct. massacre be released under a FOIA request which revealed a second person of interest in the case, a man by the name of Douglas Haig.

    A quick search of the name ‘Douglas Haig’ turns up an Arizona-based company called Specialized Military Ammunition LLC which sells tracers and incendiary rounds, much like the ones Stephen Paddock allegedly used to shoot at the jet fuel tanks.

    The same man is also listed as a senior engineer with Honeywell Aerospace and a senior liaison engineer/product support engineer for Boeing.

    Additionally, the same individual also holds Department of Defense “top secret clearance” and is affiliated with Special Operations Command (U.S. Army), according to Linkdin.

    If you’ll remember, Stephen Paddock worked in the aerospace field for both NASA and Skunk Works.

    Intellihub reached out to the individual via telephone Tuesday for comment on wheter or not he knew Paddock and/or sold ammunition to him but did not heard back from Haig by the time of this article’s publication.

    #CIAspook?

    #contractor?
    https://www.intellihub.com/specializ...-douglas-haig/

    The plot thickens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    New Person of Interest Named in Vegas Massacre Case, "Douglas Haig"



    https://www.intellihub.com/specializ...-douglas-haig/

    The plot thickens...
    Yep...this whole Vegas thing stinks to high heaven.
    Local shooting and the cops tape everything off, measure everything, every bullet hole, circle every spent casing, photograph them, place in evidence bags.
    But Vegas?
    Nothing to see here sheep, just some crazy white guy...you didn't see what you saw, didn't hear what you heard...move along, have a drink and go back to "Russian Collusion"...it's much easier

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    New Person of Interest Named in Vegas Massacre Case, "Douglas Haig"



    https://www.intellihub.com/specializ...-douglas-haig/

    The plot thickens...
    I did a "quick search" for Douglas Haig and except for the story you linked I found nothing in 10 pages about Douglas Haig or his ammunition company.
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    It's been reported by various MSM outlets as well...

    Exclusive: New Las Vegas Shooting Person of Interest Douglas Haig Says He Never Knew ‘Wacko’ Stephen Paddock

    http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-sh...as-haig-795661

    Search warrant document shows 2nd ‘person of interest’ after Las Vegas shooting

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...egas-shooting/

    Who is Douglas Haig? Person named in Las Vegas shooting search warrants

    http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/who-...haig/946081559

    2nd Person of Interest Was Identified in Days After Las Vegas Shooting, Documents Show

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/30/u...-shooting.html
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    Second ‘Person of Interest’ in Las Vegas Massacre Breaks His Silence On Meeting Gunman Stephen Paddock
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018...paddock-video/

    “As SWAT officers breached room 135, they observed Stephen Paddock place a gun to his head and fire one round,” a search warrant request from 3:02 a.m. on 2 Oct. states.
    However, that doesn’t explain why two rounds were actually fired, as Intellihub reported on 19 Jan.
    https://www.intellihub.com/as-swat-o...rrant-request/

    Las Vegas judge orders unsealing search warrants regarding the 1 Oct. massacre, suspects named
    https://www.intellihub.com/las-vegas...-oct-massacre/
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    Clark County Coroner releases 58 autopsy reports, all names redacted, no ballistics, Stephen Paddock’s autopsy kept secret
    Coroner finally released the autopsy for the 58 victims but not for the alleged shooter Stephen Paddock after a judge ruled that the coroner release all the documents and pay $32,000 in legal fees.
    Not only did the coroner drag his feet and release the autopsy reports late Wednesday but all of the names are redacted in the reports and there is no mention of ballistic data, bullet caliber, or trajectories. Although, the report does state that recovered bullet fragments were turned over to the police.
    https://www.intellihub.com/clark-cou...no-ballistics/

    Douglas Haig worked as the senior project engineer of an unmanned Boeing helicopter program, records reveal
    A quick search of the name ‘Douglas Haig’ turns up an Arizona-based company called Specialized Military Ammunition LLC which sells tracers and incendiary rounds, much like the ones Stephen Paddock allegedly used to shoot at the jet fuel tanks.
    The same man is also listed as a senior engineer with Honeywell Aerospace and a senior liaison engineer/product support engineer for Boeing.
    Additionally, the same individual also holds Department of Defense “top secret clearance” and is affiliated with Special Operations Command (U.S. Army), according to Linkdin.
    If you’ll remember, Stephen Paddock worked in the aerospace field for both NASA and Skunk Works.
    https://www.intellihub.com/douglas-h...opter-program/


    curiouser and curiouser!
    "And how we burned in the camps later thinking, what would things have been like, if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain, whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

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    It's beginning to look like this Douglas Haig character was Paddock's CIA handler, and not Marilou after all...
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    Coroner Defies Court Order: Won't Release Las Vegas Shooter's Autopsy Report
    Seriously, it's been four months already! The body has been cremated! The family finally got the remains in a box marked "evidence" over three months after the shooting and the autopsy report hasn't been finalized? Wait, were the same guys in the autopsy room that were there when the doctors and coroners examined John F Kennedy?
    https://freedomoutpost.com/coroner-d...utopsy-report/
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    Arizona man who sold ammo to Las Vegas shooter is charged

    CHANDLER, Ariz. (AP) — An Arizona man who sold ammunition to the gunman who carried out the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history was charged Friday with manufacturing armor-piercing bullets, according to court documents.

    Unfired armor-piercing bullets found inside the Las Vegas hotel room where Stephen Paddock launched the Oct. 1 attack had the fingerprints of ammunition dealer Douglas Haig, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in Phoenix. It says Haig didn't have a license to manufacture armor-piercing ammunition.

    Haig has acknowledged selling 720 rounds of tracer ammunition to Paddock in the weeks before the shooting that killed 58 people. Tracer bullets contain a pyrotechnic charge that illuminates the path of fired bullets so shooters can see whether their aim is correct.
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/art...s-12545523.php
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    But tracers are not AP and no one noticed tracer rounds coming from the hotel.
    Which is it?

    They cannot tell us who this paddock nut was but they can find a fingerprint
    on a 5.56 casing.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    It sounds like they weren't even going to charge Haig with anything initially, the police and FBI were trying to keep his name out of the news for some reason.

    The only reason it's out there now is because his name leaked in one of the files the police forgot to redact before they gave it to the press.

    Now they are making a show of charging him with something.

    Curious, isn't it?
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    It may be curious to you and I but the man that is sitting there it is not.
    But I have had this conversation with the atf. The fact that he manufactured
    ammunition and sold it is a crime. But compared to there in ability to do anything
    is very very small.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

    In a world of snowflakes,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Simmons View Post
    No idea. I'm just saying that I find it hard on one hand to say it's impossible to not have him on video but on the other hand to say it is possible the whole thing was a government designed false flag incident and no one has leaked a word about it.

    A guy at work told me it was a one in a million chance that Paddock did this shooting, no way he believed it yet this same coworker buys a lottery ticket twice a week with odds 100 x worse.
    Why is it "impossible"?

    The government lied about it being a "single shooter" event which got blown away when that video from the woman in a car (or taxi) recorded the sounds of gunfire coming from two distinctly different locations (which YouTube promptly pulled down and then someone else put it back up, ad-nauseaum).

    Things are so bogus that now, BY DEFAULT, if the government says it, I don't believe it unless proven otherwise.

    And to this day, nobody has PROVEN Sandy Hoax, the Boston "bombing", the Vegas shooting or, for that matter, 9/11.

    Yes, planes DID hit the WTC buildings, but were they civilian aircraft? Were there even any people on board?

    As far as the Pentagon, no aircraft hit it. No bodies, no 110 tons of aluminum, no way a (relatively) delicate hollow aluminum structure like a passenger jet could punch 5 clean holes all the way through the Pentagon and not even mess up the grass.

    I truly feel sorry for people who believe that crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l921428x View Post
    It may be curious to you and I but the man that is sitting there it is not.
    But I have had this conversation with the atf. The fact that he manufactured
    ammunition and sold it is a crime.
    But compared to there in ability to do anything
    is very very small.
    WTF are you talking about? It's not a crime to manufacture ammo and sell it.

    You need a BATFE license if you are in THE BUSINESS of making and selling ammo, but selling hand loads to a guy here and there does not require anything.

    If I were doing it, I would probably want insurance in case a round kabooms and I got sued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    WTF are you talking about? It's not a crime to manufacture ammo and sell it.

    You need a BATFE license if you are in THE BUSINESS of making and selling ammo, but selling hand loads to a guy here and there does not require anything.

    If I were doing it, I would probably want insurance in case a round kabooms and I got sued.
    I don't remember the full particulars about ammo manufacturing but there is a difference between making ammo from new components or using once fired cases. The first is Manufacturing, the latter is reloading and that one is not subject to the same federal excise tax.

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    Ok Krup it was 15 or so years ago but I me Myself called the BATFE and asked if a guy could sell me some
    ammo. If I bought the components and he gave them to me yes. If he bought the components and sold them to
    me no. Then the agent wanted to know where the re-loader was I would not say and he said well, we will be seeing you soon.

    End of story.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    Here's the surveillance video of Paddock bringing the guns and ammo up to his suite, at least it looks like enough luggage and of the right size to haul the stuff.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/22...new-video.html
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    Las Vegas Shooting: Did FBI Protect This Man, Who Knew Things Before They Were Released To Public, From Interrogations?
    Brian Hodge. His name is not unfamiliar and we have had several reports with him in it. He was a guest beside the rooms that Stephen Paddock rented at the Mandalay Bay Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas on the night of October 1, 2017, when a barrage of bullets were unleashed on an unsuspecting concert crowd in the Route 91 venue.

    Now, it appears that FBI insiders are saying that top FBI brass protected him from being interrogated, even though it is now known that he was providing the media with information only known to those investigating the crime at the time.

    Hodge, an Australian who was staying in room 32134, right next door to Stephen Paddock in room 32135, said there were "multiple people dead and multiple shooters."

    “My floor is a crime scene," Hodge claimed at the time. "They killed a security guard on my floor.”
    https://freedomoutpost.com/las-vegas...nterrogations/
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