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    Daryl hauls the bike because it belongs to his brother, Meryl.

    The doctor told Rick that his wife his pregnant.

    This is just my two cents.

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    Funky!

    I bet you're right about the pregnancy.... great call dude! Now they get to hash out the little brother and who the baby-daddy is... interesting twist! That will force Lori to tell the truth about the affair... bet it comes out that they were fooling around before the outbreak too... you don't fall in love with someone to that degree in just 4-6 weeks.

    I hope if I croaked my wife wouldn't be gettin' busy right away.... Lori sure didn't seem to mourn the supposed death of Rick too long, now did she?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyPertwee View Post
    Daryl hauls the bike because it belongs to his brother, Meryl.

    The doctor told Rick that his wife his pregnant.

    This is just my two cents.
    Wow! When I said it was something about the blood tests I didn't think about that! I bet you're right, that would be a great twist though IIRC they got "together" the first night he showed up at the camp which was a day or two after her romp in the woods with his buddy.


    As far as "getting over" her husband I can kind of see under a time of high stress like that a woman would/could tend to bond or drawn to the protector of herself and her child especially if she thinks they are all alone in a chaotic life and death existence. In her defense she seems to have devoted herself to her marriage since learning her husband is alive.
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    Check this out.... I have a patient that came in for his annual cleaning, he writes comic books himself and is friends with the guy who wrote "TWD".

    He doesn't know himself any details about next year's series... but he said that shortly after this timeline in the comic books that they "hole up" in some prison. According to him, in the books its a pretty gruesome/barbarian trial the group goes through (not from the Zombies, but from the prisoners)... Glenn getting kidnapped by the pseudo mexican gangsters was nothing compared to what goes on in this prison. This could be the story line for next year if they're heading towards Columbus, GA Ft. Benning... Rutledge State Prison is in Columbus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    Chrome lined bores and chambers, synthetic stocks, aluminum receivers. I'd expect an M16 sitting on concrete to be good to go with minimal help even if laying there a year.
    Or an AK lying out there for three years, eaten by a zombie, shit back out and buried in the mud. Piss in the receiver to clean it out and fire away.

    Char broiled zombie guts in the handguards would probably smell bad though.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    And here I thought he said, "John has a long mustache."
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    Meryl is going to show back up,me thinks..

    And I bet the doctor whispered something that Rick asked the night before about the blood tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Ducati View Post
    If I were them, I'd head to the ocean, at least they'd have a better time fishing for food rather than hunting.
    Yeah, I would think a viable survival tactic would be to get to an island which should be a more defensible position. It makes sense that in this story 'zombies' are unknown therefore nobody has ever gamed out a scenario like this.

    In the World War Z storyline, zombies had always been around, but knowledge had been suppressed by government & explained by other means in the distant past I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gewehr44 View Post
    It makes sense that in this story 'zombies' are unknown therefore nobody has ever gamed out a scenario like this.
    Yeah, that part still pisses me off. It's an alternate world ('cept it's supposed to be our world) where George Romero never existed and no one's ever seen a zombie flick...and while I understand it's fiction, it just pisses me off that they think we're so stupid we'd accept that. It's an easy plot device that obviates a lot of problems for them in story development...let's just pretend it's really our world but nobody's ever heard of zombies before. It's demeaning to the audience.

    Next, given the info the Doc showed them, i.e., basically the only zombie brain activity being in the medulla oblongata...that would mean you could destroy most of the brain and they'd keep coming. The only way to stop them would be to take out the brain stem at the top of the spine. Yet time after time they blow off the tops of their heads and they go down. At least when patient 19 was offed, it was a diagonally downward shot that took out the brain stem...so that was realistic, but most of the rest, the crossbow to the eye, the head shots to the forehead...between the eyes, wouldn't do shit to them, they'd keep coming until you destroyed the brain stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Yeah, that part still pisses me off. It's an alternate world ('cept it's supposed to be our world) where George Romero never existed and no one's ever seen a zombie flick...and while I understand it's fiction, it just pisses me off that they think we're so stupid we'd accept that. It's an easy plot device that obviates a lot of problems for them in story development...let's just pretend it's really our world but nobody's ever heard of zombies before. It's demeaning to the audience.

    Next, given the info the Doc showed them, i.e., basically the only zombie brain activity being in the medulla oblongata...that would mean you could destroy most of the brain and they'd keep coming. The only way to stop them would be to take out the brain stem at the top of the spine. Yet time after time they blow off the tops of their heads and they go down. At least when patient 19 was offed, it was a diagonally downward shot that took out the brain stem...so that was realistic, but most of the rest, the crossbow to the eye, the head shots to the forehead...between the eyes, wouldn't do shit to them, they'd keep coming until you destroyed the brain stem.
    Someone is taking this stuff waaaaaay too seriously!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Yeah, that part still pisses me off. It's an alternate world ('cept it's supposed to be our world) where George Romero never existed and no one's ever seen a zombie flick...and while I understand it's fiction, it just pisses me off that they think we're so stupid we'd accept that. It's an easy plot device that obviates a lot of problems for them in story development...let's just pretend it's really our world but nobody's ever heard of zombies before. It's demeaning to the audience.

    Next, given the info the Doc showed them, i.e., basically the only zombie brain activity being in the medulla oblongata...that would mean you could destroy most of the brain and they'd keep coming. The only way to stop them would be to take out the brain stem at the top of the spine. Yet time after time they blow off the tops of their heads and they go down. At least when patient 19 was offed, it was a diagonally downward shot that took out the brain stem...so that was realistic, but most of the rest, the crossbow to the eye, the head shots to the forehead...between the eyes, wouldn't do shit to them, they'd keep coming until you destroyed the brain stem.
    I know exactly what you mean. I was watching porn the other day and the lady was "homeless", but she had a shaved pussy.

    Like we are gonna fall for that.

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    Just watched the last show again tonight on DVR....

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    1) Andrea (The Blonde Chick) was the only one who bawked at the blood tests when they first came to the CDC and the doctor drew blood from each one
    2) After the hot shower, Andrea is sitting on the floor of the shower not enjoying it as she's seems preoccupied in thought
    3) After the night of drinking, she's throwing up in the toilet when Dale come's in and assumes its the wine (SHE'S GOT MORNING SICKNESS)
    4) She decides to stay and get blown up.... AS SHE DOESN'T WANT HER BABY TO BE BORN INTO THIS KIND OF WORLD!!!!!!

    Now, Lori may be pregnant with Shane's child too as we all thought... but who knocked up Andrea? My guess is it was Shane... and when it comes out that Andrea's pregnant and Shane the father, Lori's gonna get pissed off and spill the beans about them too when Shane loses it!

    The doctor told Rick that BOTH his wife Lori and Andrea were preganant

    That's my call for next season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    Someone is taking this stuff waaaaaay too seriously!
    Only because I read and copy edit a lot of horror fiction, so perhaps I'm a bit more sensitized to authors taking liberties that treat their readers as dummies...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    Yeah, that part still pisses me off. It's an alternate world ('cept it's supposed to be our world) where George Romero never existed and no one's ever seen a zombie flick...and while I understand it's fiction, it just pisses me off that they think we're so stupid we'd accept that. It's an easy plot device that obviates a lot of problems for them in story development...let's just pretend it's really our world but nobody's ever heard of zombies before. It's demeaning to the audience.

    Next, given the info the Doc showed them, i.e., basically the only zombie brain activity being in the medulla oblongata...that would mean you could destroy most of the brain and they'd keep coming. The only way to stop them would be to take out the brain stem at the top of the spine. Yet time after time they blow off the tops of their heads and they go down. At least when patient 19 was offed, it was a diagonally downward shot that took out the brain stem...so that was realistic, but most of the rest, the crossbow to the eye, the head shots to the forehead...between the eyes, wouldn't do shit to them, they'd keep coming until you destroyed the brain stem.
    In the series, the zombies feed on their kills, which indicates that they still need food to remain animated. It stands to reason that they also must breathe to obtain oxygen to convert that food to energy. Working heart, lungs, circulatory system, and CNS systems are needed for that. Accordingly, trauma (i.e. bullet) to any vital organ should cripple or kill one. Too much suspension of disbelief for me to believe that only a shot to the brain stem is what's needed to kill one. The zombies that are just rotting skin over bones shouldn't be able to even move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Scary View Post
    In the series, the zombies feed on their kills, which indicates that they still need food to remain animated. It stands to reason that they also must breathe to obtain oxygen to convert that food to energy. Working heart, lungs, circulatory system, and CNS systems are needed for that. Accordingly, trauma (i.e. bullet) to any vital organ should cripple or kill one. Too much suspension of disbelief for me to believe that only a shot to the brain stem is what's needed to kill one. The zombies that are just rotting skin over bones shouldn't be able to even move.
    There's no indication they need food to be animated, and no evidence that eating their kills is anything but instinctual residue from when they were alive. The medulla oblongata is the most primitive portion of the brain, responsible only for autonomic functions and the basest of instincts. There's also no evidence to date that the heart, lungs or circulatory systems are still functional. From the latest episode, the only thing we know is that the brain stem is active, and that an occasional neuron fires out to the rest of the brain, which suggests there's no real evidence the CNS is even functional. So how to they perambulate? They're fantasy undead creatures...shit like that happens with fantasy undead creatures.

    Also, the evidence in the show proves the only way to kill them is a head shot, otherwise the first one Rick sees (the one with no lower torso, pulling herself through the park with her hands and arms) would have been dead, rather than pulling herself along. But if you're going to postulate that only the brain stem (rather than much more of the brain) is operational, and shooting them in the brain is the only way to kill them, then a shot to the cerebral cortex should have every bit as much effect as a shot to the gut, heart, lungs, leg or arm...none at all; and only a shot that takes out the brain stem should be able to kill them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    There's no indication they need food to be animated, and no evidence that eating their kills is anything but instinctual residue from when they were alive. The medulla oblongata is the most primitive portion of the brain, responsible only for autonomic functions and the basest of instincts. There's also no evidence to date that the heart, lungs or circulatory systems are still functional. From the latest episode, the only thing we know is that the brain stem is active, and that an occasional neuron fires out to the rest of the brain, which suggests there's no real evidence the CNS is even functional. So how to they perambulate? They're fantasy undead creatures...shit like that happens with fantasy undead creatures.

    Also, the evidence in the show proves the only way to kill them is a head shot, otherwise the first one Rick sees (the one with no lower torso, pulling herself through the park with her hands and arms) would have been dead, rather than pulling herself along. But if you're going to postulate that only the brain stem (rather than much more of the brain) is operational, and shooting them in the brain is the only way to kill them, then a shot to the cerebral cortex should have every bit as much effect as a shot to the gut, heart, lungs, leg or arm...none at all; and only a shot that takes out the brain stem should be able to kill them.
    A portion of the brain is working. They're either animated by magic, or they have body functions which require food, air, and water to keep organs and muscles working. If it's the former, then I guess a brain trauma is the only thing which will make the magic stop. If it's the latter, then anything which will kill the living will also kill the walking dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Scary View Post
    A portion of the brain is working. They're either animated by magic, or they have body functions which require food, air, and water to keep organs and muscles working. If it's the former, then I guess a brain trauma is the only thing which will make the magic stop. If it's the latter, then anything which will kill the living will also kill the walking dead.
    And people say I'm taking it too seriously.
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    Well, you were complaining about having your intelligence insulted. I'm just trying to show that I can keep up with you.

    How's CC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Scary View Post
    Well, you were complaining about having your intelligence insulted. I'm just trying to show that I can keep up with you.

    How's CC?
    CC's doin' good...thanks for asking.

    As far as the whole zombie (or any other horror scenario involving mythical creatures) yes, there is a level of suspension of disbelief that's involved...beginning with their existence. But after that, if you want a really good story, show or movie. it should be as believable as possible. The science should make sense, the facts should make sense, the reality should make sense, unless of course we're also talking about a fantasy world/alternate universe, where you can then have pretty much anything goes. That (given it's a story set in our, known world) is what separates a great story, from a mediocre to good one, how much of it makes sense given that initial suspension of disbelief, particularly if it's a drama.

    An example, I have a basic email text I use when trying to sell my services to a new publisher as a copy editor. Part of it goes like this:

    I am a long time aficionado, reader and collector of fantastic fiction, and an avid collector of small press fantastic fiction particularly, as that is where the best of it is published and the editions are a work of art in their own right. The only issue of contention I have with small press titles is the level of copy editing present in many of them, and so I have set out to help right this, if I can.

    For some, this may be a minor issue, but just as a publisher has a specific agenda in the titles he presents, and the writer has an agenda in the story he tells, I believe the reader has an agenda in reading this type of literature.

    For the reader a great part of that agenda is the immersion within a created world, to be carried by the story and characters, and to come out the other side feeling in some way as if they have lived in that world, participated in the story, met and known the characters. To truly be immersed in that world, there should be nothing (within the book itself) to jar the reader out of the suspension of disbelief he enters within the first few paragraphs or pages of a story or novel. To be immersed within and suddenly trip over a piece of bad grammar, or misspelled/misplaced word, or an incorrect bit of science or fact (given the title is set in the "real" world and the reader is familiar with this bit of science or fact), is a disservice to the reader and reduces their enjoyment of the experience. While all readers may not be brought up short by a given error, somewhere there is a reader (or readers) who will. It is the reader's experience that I am dedicated to enhancing.
    It is the same for me with a movie, show or series. When I trip over something that doesn't make sense given the world that is presented to me, I feel in some way cheated, as though the producers, directors, writers couldn't really be bothered to create the best story they could, they were satisfied with well enough...and that to me is something of a cheat.

    Again, I'm probably a bit to sensitized to it given I make a part of my living this way.
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