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    SS109 and M855 223 ammo

    What is the difference in type SS109 and M855 223 ammo?

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    Both are 62 grain steel core ammo... shooting about 3000fps...
    ss109 is military standard m855 is civilian.... but steel core is the best you can get .

    ss109 is new military spec
    m855 is reman military spec ammo.

    Both are the same bullet weight ...

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    If I understand correctly, they're one and the same. SS109 is the NATO designation and M855 is a US designation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45mm_NATO
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    Quote Originally Posted by romak10/63UF View Post
    Both are 62 grain steel core ammo... shooting about 3000fps...
    ss109 is military standard m855 is civilian.... but steel core is the best you can get .

    ss109 is new military spec
    m855 is reman military spec ammo.

    Both are the same bullet weight ...
    Wrong, wrong, wrong! SS109 is the designation for the bullet in Europe. The SS109 has a 2/3rds lead core, 1/3rd hardened penetraiter in the nose of the projectile. The SS109 as mentioned already is 62 grs. standard weight. It loaded in a cartridge replaced the Vietnam ear 55 gr. FMJ with boat tail. The loaded 55 gr. bullet is the M193 ball round. M855 is the 62 gr. bullet containing loaded ammo that is the standard military cartridge for US forces.. M856 is the tracer loading, not that you asked about that but some free trivia added.
    Last edited by Schuetzenman; 05-14-2011 at 11:18 PM.

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    IIRC they're also manufactured by different companies too.
    SS109 i think is Sellier & Bellot.
    M855 is from the Lake City plant manufactured by Federal and once upon a time by Winchester(?)(i think)

    There's also "green tip" 556 nato cross stamped ammo made by neither that comes out of europe and the middle east that's total crap. The internal design/manufacture of the bullet/penetrator is piss poor compared to the U.S. manufactured stuff. Buyer beware on this junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stinker View Post
    There's also "green tip" 556 nato cross stamped ammo made by neither that comes out of europe and the middle east that's total crap. The internal design/manufacture of the bullet/penetrator is piss poor compared to the U.S. manufactured stuff. Buyer beware on this junk.
    Radway-Green. I have not found it to be poor quality ammo. It is produced in England and is NATO spec.
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    Stuff i'm talking about in particular i think is from egypt or something like that. There's a video on youtube of some guy "reviewing" lake city m855 and he disects one of the foreign made ones for comparison. It's junk construction from the looks of it.

    I would imagine the british made stuff would be better quality than what i'm thinking of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEN-32 View Post
    Radway-Green. I have not found it to be poor quality ammo. It is produced in England and is NATO spec.
    Radway 5.56 that I've experienced is low powered, probably for the wimpy bullpup rife of their's. I do like their bandoleers as they have a snap on the pocket. Strippers of ammo aren't coming out until you want them to and then they are easier to get out than US bandos.

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