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Last edited by mriddick; 02-29-2012 at 02:27 PM.
fal bbls are clocked and tightened, no torque value exists.
First I want to point out to those quoting prices, we are talking about the SCAR 17, not the "cheaper" SCAR 16.
The civilian SCAR-16 is around $2300, the Civilian SCAR-17 is around $3000.
I just wish we had the right to keep and bear arms that was protected by some law so that we could own the military version as shown in the photos.
That said, I agree that there is no place for "c" and "e" clips on any firearm, and that thin sliver of plastic that holds the pistol grip nut in place is insane.
Again, thank you for what you're doing and for the honest input about the SCAR 17. I admit I was pining for a 17s, but after your assessment about it and other things that have turned me off from it (outrageous price, and charging $40+ for basically modified FAL mags, reciprocating charging handle).
I'm really liking the fact that I traded my acr for a POF-USA P308, instead of saving up even more for the scar 17s.
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To me, it seems to be a hallmark of FN is all. You shouldn't need an Engineering degree to do maintenance on a weapon.
How do you compromise with someone when their idea of compromise is to give them what THEY want?
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What I was getting at is if you are being trained to do things in the factory way you are going to use alot of funny tools the factory wants you to use. I'm sure the 17 isn't that far different from the 16 but from what I've seen the design is very simple and works well (the 16 atleast). I'm doubtful many will ever need a torque wrench to keep it going just as some here didn't seem to know a FAL has a torque spec for it's barrel (everyone knows you just tighten them down till they time). I bet not everyone knows pin gauges are needed to build a FAL either (again "need" is relevant as many of us have built one without them).
In comparing the 16 to my AR's I think the FN is a huge improvement in several ways, and it really doesn't seem that complex in comparison. Which is why I have such a hard time understanding why it costs 4X as much (or the 17's 6X).
I think it's the difference is between official training the factory way and how we make by to make things work. I'm guessing it comes down to most of the FAL's we've built are for nothing more serious then punching holes while Hatedbysheeple's 17 is for much more serious work.
Last edited by mriddick; 03-02-2012 at 06:37 PM.
Just curious here. Yet, wouldn't a SIG 550 be a better choice than the M4 or SCAR?
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The XM-8 was a fine weapon, but somebody didn't like the idea of adopting a german engineered gun...
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