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    Leftists destroy years of science.

    To hell with understanding autism or schizophrenia, we must save the lab rats!

    Activists occupied an animal facility at the University of Milan, Italy, at the weekend, releasing mice and rabbits and mixing up cage labels to confuse experimental protocols. Researchers at the university say that it will take years to recover their work.

    Many of the animals at the facility are genetic models for psychiatric disorders such as autism and schizophrenia.

    No arrests have been made following the 12-hour drama, which took place on Saturday, although the university says that it will press charges against the protesters. The activists took some of the animals and were told during negotiations that they would be permitted to come back later and take more.

    The attack was staged by the animal-rights group that calls itself Fermare Green Hill (or Stop Green Hill), in reference to the Green Hill dog-breeding facility near Brescia, Italy, which it targets for closure. Five activists entered laboratories in the university’s pharmacology department on Saturday morning. The lack of signs of a break-in suggests that the activists may have used an illegally acquired electronic card, says pharmacologist Francesca Guidobono-Cavalchini, who works there. They prised open the reinforced doors of the facility on the fourth floor, and two of them chained themselves by the neck to the main double doors such that any attempt to open the doors could have endangered their lives.

    They posted pictures of themselves on their organisation’s website, where they also declared that they would stay for as long as it took to get agreement to leave with all the animals. The facility hosts around 800 animals, mostly genetically modified mice but also some rabbits, according to Martino Bolognesi, a structural biologist at the university. The activists had brought supplies of food and sleeping bags.

    Meanwhile, hundreds of animal-rights sympathizers demonstrated outside, according to reports in the Italian press.

    Researchers who turned up at the lab to work on their experiments found dozens of civil and military police at the scene, says Guidobono-Cavalchini.

    Paola Viani, deputy director of the pharmacology department, worked with police to negotiate with the activists. By evening they had reached a compromise whereby the activists left with fewer than 100 animals, with the understanding that they could return for the rest later; negotiations about whether they may do so are still continuing, according Bolognesi.

    Some of the mice they removed were delicate mutants and immunosuppressed ‘nude’ mice, which die very quickly outside controlled environments.

    In addition to mixing up animals and cage labels to ensure that ongoing experiments would be ruined, the activists also took the names of the experimenters from the cage labels, some of which they later published on their Facebook page.

    The university is now calculating the damages and deciding what charges it will press, according to Guidobono-Cavalchini.

    Michela Matteoli, a neurobiologist who works on autism and other disorders and lost most of her own research in the attack, says that she found some research students crying in the disrupted facility on Monday morning.

    “It will take three people at least a year to build up the colonies we had of mouse models of different psychiatric diseases,” she says.

    On Sunday Italian media reported that around 60 scientists held their own demonstration in Milan to protest what they call the ignorance and bullying tactics of Fermare Green Hill. Researchers in the department have published an open letter in an Italian biotechnology trade journal explaining the value of their research, which is financed by many different national and international research agencies.
    http://www.nature.com/news/animal-ri...ratory-1.12847

    Can you imagine the uproar this would cause if some religious sect had done this?
    Of course you could argue that that is exactly what happened here. The Sacred Church of the Lab Rat.
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    Hello, I thought we just made politicians out of em???????????????????
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    Bunch of selfish bastards. Not only for destroying work that could help many people for generations to come but also for the animals they think they are protecting, the work that has been done has been done in vain now thanks to these idiots.

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    And they are different from the Taliban how?

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    Someone I know was at the National Neuroscience Convention where PITA was protesting their use of lab animals. My acquaintance went up to the person leading the protest and told her she would be happy to stop using genetically altered mice and rats to research for the cure to Alzheimer's if they would supply human replacements. She told the protesters that all they had to do was provide living brain tissue that would then be modified to bring on Alzheimer's and then be used to be sliced into microscopic slides to determine how the disease progresses and how it might be slowed or stopped.

    At first the protesters cheered when told the researchers would stop using animals, but then all left in a hurry when told that they would have to provide themselves as a trade to let the animals go. Funny how when asked for a viable alternative to using mice bread specifically for research, they refused to donate themselves in order to save the mice.

    In the case of those who destroyed the experiments in the linked article, those who are found and convicted of the crime should be given a choice, jail until a cure is found or provide themselves to be used instead of those poor poor animals. Unfortunately for us, or fortunately for us, and fortunately for them our society won't allow human volunteers to replace lab animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanaknut View Post
    Someone I know was at the National Neuroscience Convention where PITA was protesting their use of lab animals. My acquaintance went up to the person leading the protest and told her she would be happy to stop using genetically altered mice and rats to research for the cure to Alzheimer's if they would supply human replacements. She told the protesters that all they had to do was provide living brain tissue that would then be modified to bring on Alzheimer's and then be used to be sliced into microscopic slides to determine how the disease progresses and how it might be slowed or stopped.

    At first the protesters cheered when told the researchers would stop using animals, but then all left in a hurry when told that they would have to provide themselves as a trade to let the animals go. Funny how when asked for a viable alternative to using mice bread specifically for research, they refused to donate themselves in order to save the mice.

    In the case of those who destroyed the experiments in the linked article, those who are found and convicted of the crime should be given a choice, jail until a cure is found or provide themselves to be used instead of those poor poor animals. Unfortunately for us, or fortunately for us, and fortunately for them our society won't allow human volunteers to replace lab animals.
    Kinda like people who whine about the population and all the ill mankind is supposedly doing, but then won't off themselves to reduce some of the alleged pressure on the planet.
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    I'm not sure where you're getting animal rights wacko = leftist.

    These freaks are their own breed, their politics are in a league of their own.

    (And don't forget: Hitler was a vegan... )
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    I'm not sure where you're getting animal rights wacko = leftist.

    These freaks are their own breed, their politics are in a league of their own.

    (And don't forget: Hitler was a vegan... )
    Because they are you dumb bastard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jefferson View Post
    Because they are you dumb bastard.
    I don't remember anything in the Communist Manifesto or any of the Weather Underground publications saying you must be a vegan in order to be a good leftist.

    These animal rights freaks are a more modern phenomenon, and they don't seem to belong to any political party but their own.
    "That tyranny has all the vices both of democracy and oligarchy is evident. As of oligarchy so of tyranny, the end is wealth; (for by wealth only can the tyrant maintain either his guard or his luxury). Both mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -- Aristotle, Book V, 350 B.C.E

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    Hitler was a leftist.
    Telling the truth is treason in an empire of lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    I don't remember anything in the Communist Manifesto or any of the Weather Underground publications saying you must be a vegan in order to be a good leftist.

    These animal rights freaks are a more modern phenomenon, and they don't seem to belong to any political party but their own.
    yeah, you're right, they all would have voted for Reagan. For crying out loud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAGC View Post
    I don't remember anything in the Communist Manifesto or any of the Weather Underground publications saying you must be a vegan in order to be a good leftist.

    These animal rights freaks are a more modern phenomenon, and they don't seem to belong to any political party but their own.
    It is the madness of leftist non-thought, emotion based reasoning that leads some leftists to such lunacy.
    If we refuse to rule ourselves with reason, then we shall be ruled by our passions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswald Bastable View Post
    It is the madness of leftist non-thought, emotion based reasoning that leads some leftists to such lunacy.
    BINGO!! We have a winner.

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