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    My take on SHTF.

    The chances of a civilian surviving a fire fight against a trained force is more or less a fantasy than a reality. Honestly, it is good to have ammo around for defensive situations...but in reality if the average civilian finds himself in a world were medicine, clean water, and food are in short supply then, what little moving he/she is doing armed should be more or less focused on finding essentials for survival. If a civilian finds themselves in a immediate situation where they need more than two+ 30 round mags to survive then, they messed up in their planning somewhere and are probably screwed.

    The issue with having a ton of ammo creates a terrible necessity for having to transport it. If the defensive area that it is kept comes under severe attack. One molotov thrown by rioters or looters can pretty much ruin a defensive position house/base camp etc. Then what is "one" going to do in the middle of a fire and/or fire fight? Try to move 5-10 K rounds? Or get women, children and old folks out of there?

    Another thing...how many folks prepping for SHTF are 50+, rely on insulin, meds for blood pressure, have bad backs, knees and joints? I am not talking specifically about this board but I have friends who are prepper types that have tons of supplies but in reality would be up the creek in about a week without meds. (That is no shot at your older guys)

    This idea of banding together and hitting the woods Red Dawn style sounds exciting but in an age of drones, infra-red and nightvision....its not only a failed concept against a well oiled machine, but suicidal.

    If you find yourself in a SHTF situation that lasts more than a month and you have fired off more than a 150 rounds in a two week period for hunting and defensive purposes...then you have planned wrong, and brought to much attention to yourself and are most likely screwed.

    If you want to survive SHTF for long periods of time then expose yourself to the worst conditions possible. Learn to sleep in your crawl space at night, then the attic, find some woods to walk through with no flashlight on a cold rainy night, lay in a really cold creek as long as you can, learn to eat stuff that grosses you out, spend all day sitting in a cramped space like your closet trying to be as quite as possible (cutting the heat down in the winter, and the AC down in the summer), then learn to do the same method in a car, truck bed, and under a vehicle. A fellow who can pop out of an inclosed space with nothing but a Kabar is way more dangerous than a person firing off 100 rounds and giving away his position to those he doesn't see.

    I have had to prove to some of my friends how this can be done (being sneaky that is). I have snuck in their houses while they are home and watched them do every thing from cooking to feeding the pets, and watching their g/f's/wives clean house before I pop out and scare the crap out of them. One buddy of mine (who always carries) got the scare of a lifetime. I proved to him one night how that CCW won't save him by stalking him through town and finally sneaking up on him in a dark apartment complex and scaring him. I walked a good 20 yards up on him and scared the crap out of him by grabbing his neck and head. In a SHTF situation if I was a bad guy I could have cut his throat, took his Glock, keys and money and been gone before anyone found him. He is now a lot more alert.

    I did the same thing to my buddies sister who was visiting out of town. I heard him talking and learned enough of what she drove and what she looked like...so I stalked her down in a parking lot in broad day light with him standing there and scared the crap out of both of them (by using bright colored clothes and basic walking), with nothing more than a description of her and her car.

    Also another thing I have done is breakdown rifles and see if I can sneak them into friends houses and not get noticed. Just go to the bathroom and assemble them and walk out and you will scare the crap out of most people...because people do not pay ATTENTION! No I do not load them up for the record.

    Remember you guys who have wives and children are in the worst shape come SHTF...all it takes is a person with a blade to pop up and catch mamma off guard while her man is out scouting...and trust me if you put her and the youngins in a dire situation she will tell you were all the guns and ammo, food, medicine etc are stored.

    Learning to deal with cold, heat, cramped conditions and learning how to watch, stalk and quietly get to targets along, with questionable morals will help you more than a safe full of boom sticks and 10k worth of ammo.

    I do not condone nor sponsor any criminal activity. The people I have done this stuff to are people I know and know well. Though in some cases they could have shot me. LOL

    If your thinking "Well...I got a rifle that can hit out to 600 yards..etc." Well that is good, but doesn't keep the sneaky guy with a recurve bow from popping you from behind and taking your rifle either. We often say in gun culture that "guns are tools". That is true and tools have limited uses they are machines that don't think...you as a person can think, so therefore your mind is actually more powerful than the gun is. My point is guns are great, but don't rely on them like a Zebra with its legs. The Zebra can only kick so much before an organized team of lions brings it down.

    Stocking up on guns and ammo had its advantages but don't turn your shooting hobby into your only method of survival. Now in my case, I have stalked and scared so many personal friends that they have seriously had an intervention with me to stop..."they get it now". LOL

    And because I love them all...I hope they learned.

    Am I sick in the head? No! Do I condone evil tactics? No! I just want my friends and family to keep an eye out for the worst at all times.

    Sorry if this thread disturbs people and I wish no harm on anyone...but its amazing how many folks do not take this stuff seriously until you scare the crap out of them and they are so nervous they puke, or cry.

    If this post offends you, than forget about SHTF. Your not going to make it.
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    Ok fine. I am a citizen not a civilian unless you are a cop or soldier.
    All this coming from someone that in another thread doesn't realize open carry may just make you a target.
    Then you sneak up on your buddy grab his head, cut his throat and steal his Glock, just to hell IDK.
    In my world, you are lucky you have not been hurt. If you are helping your friends with this fine, my question is
    why are you trying to prove something to me civilian?
    Hey I will be the first to admit I am the not most coherent around here.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    My take on SHTF.

    Whats a shtf?
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    It is the "sh*t hits the fan" scenario. All the power goes out, looting, riots, everyone has to protect what the have anyway possible.
    Civilization melts down. You grab your rifle, some ammo, to go bag your wife and out the door.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    Whats a shtf?
    TEOTWAWKI

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    Is that an indian thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    Is that an indian thing?
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

    In a world of snowflakes,
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    Agree to the original post. Some of the other CO's at work always talk about about how they'll whip some convicts ass if they try anything and I just chuckle. They are old fat and out of shape. I was in fair shape at 60 and a convict punched me three times AFTER I gassed him. It's all a fantasy. I'm not saying don't have ammo and stuff 'cause I do and i have food and water. But we wouldn't survive a hostile force that was organized and bent on killing us. Are there situations we could survive? By all means, but let's try to be realistic here. I'm not saying lay down and give up because if it comes to my family I will fight. Might not survive but I will fight. If I do survive then those hidden bottles of wine will come in handy. I'm just glad my blood pressure isn't real real high yet. Yep and my knees are bad so whatever happens will happen right here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rci2950 View Post
    Is that an indian thing?
    An acronym meaning "The End Of The World As We Know It",

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    ok REM and I feel fine.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

    In a world of snowflakes,
    be the heat..

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    Not to sound like Reagan in the Exorcist, but you are going to die someday. From doing the dumbass things you talk about. OR, the cops are going to pull up on you, PROBABLY open carrying, at night, while you are 'stalking' a woman or friend. And THAT sounds like the kind of situation most of us want to avoid at all costs. You, aparently not.

    You make decent posts.....But again, this has a certian 'look at me' kind of smell. And doing the kinds of things you brag about, and think are necessary? Bringing firearms into another persons house unannounced? JUST TO SHOW YOU CAN? Shit, thats nothing. I COULD do that everytime I ccw.....Only I DON'T, out of respect for the home owner.

    I am going to just withhold a couple of other opinions.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    So peacemaker, opening carrying at night like he brags he does, is 'stalking' a friends woman because he want to prove some kind of stupid point to her. Problem is, neighbors don't always know that. People driving by? Don't always know that. Cop driving by? Doesn't always know that. So, someone calls the police and reports a strange guy, WITH A FIREARM, following a woman. Cops pull up....And you say what? They tell you to freeze, and you, based on many previous posts, start wanting to be self-justifing and try to tell them how it is.....And they just get more alarmed. Tell you to put your hands up. You start to get embarrassed. Want to justify and explain what you are doing. Problem is, your badass self has a gun and probably a large knife on your belt. And frankly, you are not more badass than several cops.

    What happens? I don't know. But its a shitty situation created by someone who, I hate to say it, sometimes strikes me as too immature to carry a weapon. Your behaviors I believe put people at risk. Including yourself, and likely in the future police.
    Last edited by Ruskiegunlover; 03-26-2014 at 06:11 AM.
    "What sick, barbaric bastards.

    It's one thing to use terrorism to make a political statement, but the wanton mutilation and suffering of innocents? How does that forward your political goals? When done in the name of religion, how does that earn you brownie points with God?

    Fuck religious extremism. And especially fuck the "religion of peace." "

    So, lagcsocialist supports terrorism AS LONG AS ITS FOR POLITICAL ENDS....

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    So Ruskie, what are the opinions you held back? Seems you just ought to go ahead and let this out of your system.
    While no one ever listens to me,
    I am constantly being told to be quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    Not to sound like Reagan in the Exorcist, but you are going to die someday. From doing the dumbass things you talk about. OR, the cops are going to pull up on you, PROBABLY open carrying, at night, while you are 'stalking' a woman or friend. And THAT sounds like the kind of situation most of us want to avoid at all costs. You, aparently not.

    You make decent posts.....But again, this has a certian 'look at me' kind of smell. And doing the kinds of things you brag about, and think are necessary? Bringing firearms into another persons house unannounced? JUST TO SHOW YOU CAN? Shit, thats nothing. I COULD do that everytime I ccw.....Only I DON'T, out of respect for the home owner.

    I am going to just withhold a couple of other opinions.
    Sorry wasn't trying to brag, nor was I trying to pull a "look at me". All the people I have done this to have known me 10+ years, and no I do not carry if I am doing something like that. Actually most of them now stay pretty vigilant with their senses and keep their eyes and ears open a lot better than they used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruskiegunlover View Post
    So peacemaker, opening carrying at night like he brags he does, is 'stalking' a friends woman because he want to prove some kind of stupid point to her. Problem is, neighbors don't always know that. People driving by? Don't always know that. Cop driving by? Doesn't always know that. So, someone calls the police and reports a strange guy, WITH A FIREARM, following a woman. Cops pull up....And you say what? They tell you to freeze, and you, based on many previous posts, start wanting to be self-justifing and try to tell them how it is.....And they just get more alarmed. Tell you to put your hands up. You start to get embarrassed. Want to justify and explain what you are doing. Problem is, your badass self has a gun and probably a large knife on your belt. And frankly, you are not more badass than several cops.

    What happens? I don't know. But its a shitty situation created by someone who, I hate to say it, sometimes strikes me as too immature to carry a weapon. Your behaviors I believe put people at risk. Including yourself, and likely in the future police.
    LOL That is hilarious....but its not like I have done this stuff armed to the teeth, and I am not doing it in anyway that can attract the police. My buddy with the CCW is one of the biggest SHTF guys you ever met and he is way stronger than me...but the night I caught him he was so startled he nearly froze in his tracks.

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    You are lucky that your friend with the glock didn't shoot you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miketx View Post
    Agree to the original post. Some of the other CO's at work always talk about about how they'll whip some convicts ass if they try anything and I just chuckle. They are old fat and out of shape. I was in fair shape at 60 and a convict punched me three times AFTER I gassed him. It's all a fantasy. I'm not saying don't have ammo and stuff 'cause I do and i have food and water. But we wouldn't survive a hostile force that was organized and bent on killing us. Are there situations we could survive? By all means, but let's try to be realistic here. I'm not saying lay down and give up because if it comes to my family I will fight. Might not survive but I will fight. If I do survive then those hidden bottles of wine will come in handy. I'm just glad my blood pressure isn't real real high yet. Yep and my knees are bad so whatever happens will happen right here.
    Dang...sorry you got punched by the convict! But yeah...in the long run all one can do is either move really light, or stay stationary if they are weighted down. Chances of fighting off an organized military force once the power grid, communications, and supplies is cut off is slim to none. I always said feminine hygiene products and baby supplies are the crutch to western man. American women are not like their 2nd and 3rd world sisters and have no idea how to cope without AC, TV, tampons, and readily available supplies for their babies. All the gov. or foreign power(s) would have to do is confiscate all those items for women and babies...and slowly but surely they will turn every woman in the country against the men in exchange for supplies.

    So Billiy Bob, and Cooter gots them a nice little camp deep in the woods with about 10K's worth of ammo, and a lot of guns. Little do they realize their old ladies just sold them out for enfamil, diapers and tampons....seconds later DRONE STRIKE! LOL Ya'll think I am joking but the western woman is not trustworthy....look at the divorce rate, that should tell you something!

    Scooter and Tex are fixing to make a raid on much needed supplies...but oops there is a whole battalion of infantry waiting on them cause Scooters sister got tired of feeding her baby leaves and using rocks to wipe her butt. Guess what? She said the hell with this Red Dawn crap...she sold out her brother for box of tampons some Gerber and maybe a shelter with cable TV! Poor ole Scooter and Tex. All them guns and ammo and they lost to tampons. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Duce View Post
    You are lucky that your friend with the glock didn't shoot you.
    Your right, and he ended up having a long talk with me about that. And, he asked me not to do that again because he would feel terrible if he did shoot me.

    Years ago SALBO got me really good with an airsoft rifle. I mean he nailed me! LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by was_peacemaker View Post
    Dang...sorry you got punched by the convict!
    I'm lucky that I didn't get hurt. I have no illusions about being a bad ass, I just have no fear of these animals. As far as the puncher, I can't go into detail, but when they hauled him away, he was hurtin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miketx View Post
    I'm lucky that I didn't get hurt. I have no illusions about being a bad ass, I just have no fear of these animals. As far as the puncher, I can't go into detail, but when they hauled him away, he was hurtin!
    Wow! I couldn't do your job man. I bet it takes a lot of patience to do that kind of work.

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