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    Thumbs up New AR stock that facilitates aimed bump-firing

    For $319, you can turn you AR into a simulated full-auto with a bump-fire stock that fits over the buffer tube. There are no moving parts in the stock itself and it has been approved by the BATFE. However, I wonder how long it will take for the ATF to reverese their approval. The Firearm Blog reported on this item:

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ock-for-ar-15/

    Slide Fire Solutions:
    http://slidefiresolutions.com/Product-SSAR-15.html

    Slide Fire Solutions, Inc. introduces the patent pending Slide Stock for the AR-15 (SSAR-15).

    Utilizing the SSAR-15's revolutionary "Slide Stock" technology and ergonomic design - individuals are now able to greatly reduce or eliminate the negative effect of recoil.

    In addition, amputees and other individuals that are unable to manipulate the trigger using the traditional method will now have additional options using the SSAR-15.

    The enabled sportsman, with the addition of a stationary link, can now discharge the firearm utilizing other techniques. For instance, an Army veteran that lost their hand in Iraqi to an IED can now use the SSAR-15 and apply forward muscular pressure to a vertical forward grip modified to work with their prosthetics to fire their rifle.




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    This does what that 10/22 stock did?
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    So, how is it that this is legal, and the Akins Accelerator for the 10//22 is not? A bit confused I am...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Shooter View Post
    So, how is it that this is legal, and the Akins Accelerator for the 10//22 is not? A bit confused I am...
    Atkins' Accelerator utilized mechanical devices (springs) to cause the rifle to bump-fire. This Slidefire Solutions product is simply a hunk of plastic, and there are no separate mechanical devices. In the eyes of the ATF, it is legal because it's not a mechanical device.

    I was studying the videos, and it appears to work by having a little bit of play in the stock when the lever is turned to "bump-fire" mode. To fire, you place your finger into the trigger guard and you push the rifle forward with the support hand as if you were bump-firing from the hip. With a little bit of "slop" in the stock, the device basically allows you to bump-fire from the shoulder. If this thing was closer to around $100 maybe I'd give it a try, but for over $300? Heck, I'd rather buy another AK or an optic sight or a case of ammo.
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    on a side note i always wondered if you took an adjustable stock and spring loaded it would it help absorb recoil?
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    MRIDDICK designed a bump fire stock for an AK and it works much like the Akins system. The rifle basically bounced back into action with each pull of the trigger, due to the spring in the CAR stock... Was a really cool looking setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by romakdaddy View Post
    on a side note i always wondered if you took an adjustable stock and spring loaded it would it help absorb recoil?
    http://www.botachtactical.com/knspadst.html

    Heck, maybe even just a spring-loaded butt-pad could possibly work for recoil reduction?
    Last edited by skorpion; 12-09-2010 at 11:26 AM.

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    Looks like tons of fun, but at $319, a little out of my economy right now, too many other irons in the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skorpion View Post
    My Mossy "Bubba" has been sporting a Knoxx for years... It truly is a wonderful device!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Shooter View Post
    My Mossy "Bubba" has been sporting a Knoxx for years... It truly is a wonderful device!!!

    I really like that! Great looking boomstick. It has taken me a while to grow on the concept of M4-style stocks on other weapon systems, but I like the Knoxx stocks. Plus, watching The Walking Dead, I didn't think the one deputy's Mossberg looked all that bad with an M4-style stock.
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    seems im always light years behind the times with my ideas...lol
    reminds me of the south park or was it family guy that had the episode where every thing they tried to be funny the simpsons already did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skorpion View Post
    Atkins' Accelerator utilized mechanical devices (springs) to cause the rifle to bump-fire.
    Another member here "invented" the same idea (so did I for that matter). I took 1/2 of an AR-15 buffer spring and captured it between the back of the buffer tube and a roll pin slid through the rear of the buttstock (across the hole). I also put a small hole in the release lever and the stock so that I could actuate the release lever and lock it open with a pin (so the stock would slide or fall off if allowed to).

    Then, just put it up to the shoulder, hold the pistol grip loosely and hold a stiff finger in the trigger.

    Not only does it work flawlessly, it also reduces the felt recoil to almost zero.

    Let's see... recoil spring: $12.00 (does 2 rifles), roll pin: $0.12 at Sears hardware. Home made "bump stock"... $6.12 each plus 10 minutes of your time.

    Been there, done that. (rolleyes go here)

    (and now that this clown has gotten "BATFE approval", it's only a matter of time before some ATF dipshit decides that bumpfiring is illegal and makes people buy $200 tax stamps for their shooting finger).
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    Yeah, I remember that - it was mriddick for sure. I made one up too (using his example) - not hard to do but it keeps the stock from being closed all of the way. Just an AR spring with a cross-pin in the back to hold it in- and a hole through the catch latch with a pin to keep it open and the stock springy. Works. You can't hold the pistol grip but you can have it up on your shoulder. This was with the tapco carbine stock for AK's.
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    I will agree my stock cost maybe $50 total in parts and 15 minutes work, hard to see where the $319 comes from.

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    Two words Akins Accelerator. First approved by BATFE then dissapproved by BATFE! I see the same fate for this stock / device. If it's still on the market in 5 years people might want to look at it.

    BTW, did you all notice that the grip is part of the stock mechanism so the entire weapon is able to free recoil in that bump stock system?
    Last edited by Schuetzenman; 12-10-2010 at 08:45 PM.

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    While I opted to use a spring in the Akins Accelerators that we produced instead of using human isometric tension, specifically claim #1 (of 19 claims) of my patent (U.S. patent #6101918) does not limit my patent to only using a spring, but to any method of translating the action back forwardly again. Thus the claims of my patent covers not only using a spring, but also human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock, or any other method of translating the action or at least the trigger assembly back forwardly again after recoil. Consequently, Slide Fire Solutions and I are proceeding with patent licensing agreement negotiations.

    The defunct Akins Group Inc was wrongfully required by the BATFE to turn in all the springs we had (even though we had previously had TWO ATF approval letters) and then the corporation dissolved and then my patent that had been licensed to Akins Group Inc, escheated back to me and since my partner resigned I became the last sole officer of Akins Group Inc and the successor in interest to the dissolved Akins Group Inc and all its springless accelerator stock inventory which I still possess and intend to retrofit accelerator 10/22 stocks to be actuated via an isometric lever located in an add on fore end pistol grip which will translate the stock back forwardly without using a spring. Again, my patent claims are not limited to just using a spring even though that is how we opted to produce them. My patent attorney and I were VERY careful in the language of my patent claims so that my patent was not just limited to using a spring to translate the action or at least the trigger guard back forwardly after recoiling rearwardly. This is clear in claim #1 of my patent.


    I still own and vigorously protect the patent which is still valid. Anyone attempting to make and or sell a stock that infringes upon the claims of my patent does so at the risk of litigation and a $5000.00 fine for each one made, whether they offer them for sale or not. That is patent law. Look it up if anyone has doubts. I have saved screen shots of people admitting they have infringed upon the claims of my patent if future possible litigation becomes necessary to prevent them from attempting to market them. I would also caution posters here who have admitted they have infringed upon my patent and made one of their own that USES A SPRING. The BATFE has ruled that the use of a spring to translate the action or at least the trigger group back forwardly, is a violation of their ruling. So people here who have admitted they made an infringing copy of my patented claims, are admitting they have broken the BATFE's ruling. This site has rules against posting about illegal activities and be warned, if the BATFE sees your posts describing you using a spring in a stock to create your own patent infringing Akins Accelerator, you may get visited by the BATFE. They do monitor firearm websites. Two people from 1919a4.com were visited by BATFE agents after they posted about possessing the AW-SIM 1919a4 stock that infringed upon my patent and which also used a spring and was also deemed illegal by the BATFE ruling. You are admitting you have broken the law according to the BATFE. Be warned.

    I am not here to argue with people who do not know nor understand what the claims in my patent are. In essence, I patented bumpfiring within a stationary rear buttstock whether the forward fore end moves or not and using any method of translating the action or at least the trigger back forwardly after recoil is protected by claim #1 and the beginning of claim #2 of my patent. So although we used a spring in the accelerator we sold, my patent claims cover any method of translating the action and or at least the trigger group back forwardly after recoil. Which would include human isometric tension against the fore end of the stock as in the Slide Fire Solutions stock. If anyone is interested and industrious enough to want to know exactly what my patent claims protect, it is public record at the U.S. Patent office and can be found by doing a search for patent # 6101918 There are 19 claims in my patent and claim #1 covers not only using finger stops, but also is not just limited to using a spring in the claims, but can use any method for translating the action or at least the trigger group back forwardly again after it recoils rearwardly.

    I hope this clears up any misunderstandings some people may have.

    Bill Akins.
    Last edited by Bill Akins; 12-10-2010 at 11:19 AM.

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    Thanks for the clear-up and the information, Mr. Akins! It's a shame how all of your work was basically thrown out the window because of the BATF flip-flopping on their decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetzenman View Post
    Two words Atchison Accelerator. First approved by BATFE then dissapproved by BATFE! I see the same fate for this stock / device. If it's still on the market in 5 years people might one to look at it.

    BTW, did you all notice that the grip is part of the stock mechanism so the entire weapon is able to free recoil in that bump stock system?
    That's AKINS accelerator. Not Atchison Accelerator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krupski View Post
    Another member here "invented" the same idea (so did I for that matter). I took 1/2 of an AR-15 buffer spring and captured it between the back of the buffer tube and a roll pin slid through the rear of the buttstock (across the hole). I also put a small hole in the release lever and the stock so that I could actuate the release lever and lock it open with a pin (so the stock would slide or fall off if allowed to).

    Then, just put it up to the shoulder, hold the pistol grip loosely and hold a stiff finger in the trigger.

    Not only does it work flawlessly, it also reduces the felt recoil to almost zero.


    Let's see... recoil spring: $12.00 (does 2 rifles), roll pin: $0.12 at Sears hardware. Home made "bump stock"... $6.12 each plus 10 minutes of your time.

    Been there, done that. (rolleyes go here)

    (and now that this clown has gotten "BATFE approval", it's only a matter of time before some ATF dipshit decides that bumpfiring is illegal and makes people buy $200 tax stamps for their shooting finger).
    In addition to my saved screenshots of this thread, this is to preserve the record of infringement of my patent and will be bookmarked.

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    All your bump firing belongs to us

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