ATF shotgun importation study released

[Gunreference1]

ATF Posts a Revised ATF Shotgun Importability Study

Posted on July 11, 2012 by Ammoland
Comments by Lawrence G. Keane

Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- ATF has just posted the Revised ATF Shotgun Importability Study to their Website See attached and http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry...n-shotguns.pdf

Based on a quick read — In a nutshell it defends the “sporting purpose” test as constitutional; it does NOT recognized “3-gun” matches as a sport. It amends the prior report’s factors test such that now a forward pistol grip is considered to have a sporting purpose including on an integrted rail system.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/11/a...#axzz20MX8feHx

Steve


Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/11/a...#ixzz20MaN2nr7

[Krupski]

ATF Posts a Revised ATF Shotgun Importability Study

Posted on July 11, 2012 by Ammoland
Comments by Lawrence G. Keane

Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- ATF has just posted the Revised ATF Shotgun Importability Study to their Website See attached and http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry...n-shotguns.pdf

Based on a quick read — In a nutshell it defends the “sporting purpose” test as constitutional; it does NOT recognized “3-gun” matches as a sport. It amends the prior report’s factors test such that now a forward pistol grip is considered to have a sporting purpose including on an integrted rail system.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/11/a...#axzz20MX8feHx

Steve


Read more at Ammoland.com: http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/11/a...#ixzz20MaN2nr7

Frankly... I don't give a shit what BATFE "recognizes".

[imanaknut]

How can the "sporting purpose" test be constitutional? The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. NOT The right of the people to keep and bear arms for sporting purposes shall not be infringed.

Totally out of control agency, and there isn't really much we the people can do about it because they have more money than we do, and I have already talked to a lawyer about taking on ATF and was laughed out of the office.

[Krupski]

How can the "sporting purpose" test be constitutional? The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. NOT The right of the people to keep and bear arms for sporting purposes shall not be infringed.

Actually, if you read 2A, it talks about the need for "[protecting] the security of a free State" which, in my opinion, means if some country or entity tries to conquer or overthrow our Country, our "Right to keep and bear arms" enables us to shoot the bastards dead.

Now, I'm not a lawyer, but having the citizens armed in order to protect the security of our Country is NOT "sporting", is NOT "plinking" and is NOT "hunting".

To me it seems that 2A really doesn't protect ANY kind of "sporting" related firearms activities. In fact, what it protects is "pseudo-military" activities.

Therefore, a "protected" weapon would more likely be a full auto M4 machinegun that a 12 gauge "duck gun" blocked to 3 rounds.........

Totally out of control agency, and there isn't really much we the people can do about it because they have more money than we do, and I have already talked to a lawyer about taking on ATF and was laughed out of the office.

There's a lot that can be done about it, if we are willing to pay the price. THEY would never surrender, so neither should we. The result would be a war.

Obviously, gun owners are too chickenshit to even think about it that much... they would rather cower and ask if their rifles are 922(r) compliant...

[Gunreference1]

BATFE Modifies Shotgun Import Ban Study & Still Gets It Wrong

Posted on July 16, 2012 by Ammoland

Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- In January 2011, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives released its “Study on the Importability of Certain Shotguns.”

Using the unconstitutional and oft-abused “sporting purposes” test as justification, BATFE concocted a list of ten popular shotgun features and determined that “shotguns containing any of these features are not particularly suitable for nor readily adaptable to generally recognized sporting purposes.” Guns with any of these features will therefore be prohibited from importation.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/16/b...#axzz20yg8bV8n

Steve

[MR. Polytech]

Guns with any of these features will therefore be prohibited from importation.

Really; I think the key word we have to be focusing on here is 'Importation'. My Saiga 12's were all imported w/ a monte carlo stock & a 5 round magazine; which fall EXACTLY under the ATF's description of 'Sporting' use features for a shotgun...WHAT one may or may not do w/ the shotgun is entirely beside the point; as the real issue at hand here is legality of 'importation'...

Not mentioned is that under federal law an individual is also barred from assembling a semi-automatic shotgun that that would otherwise be prohibited from importation. Under BATFE’s scheme, a person who mounts a flashlight or telescoping stock on an imported semi-automatic shotgun could be in violation of federal law.

But what the article (excerpt from, above) also FAILS to mention; is that if the shotgun (as mentioned earlier) has at least 10 U.S. parts; it is actually NOT considered an 'imported shotgun' (922R) and therefore NOT SUBJECT to 'violation of Federal law' as quoted above!

So, the Saiga lives on!