Thanks for your sentiments skorpion. I appreciate it. It was a major setback to be sure. But now in addition to the Slide Fire Solutions ATF approval letter, I also am in possession of two other letters of approval requested by friends of mine wherein the ATF approves springless human isometric tension to translate the action back forwardly again after recoil. I intend to retrofit my 10/22 accelerator stock inventory to use an add on fore end pistol grip which will include what looks like another trigger but is actually an isometric tension lever that translates the action back forewardly after recoil without using a spring. As is covered in my patent. So all is not lost and all my work has not been thrown out the window. It will just be changed to opting to use human isometric tension instead of utilizing a spring. Will take a little time to add to my large existing inventory, but will be done.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/6101918
Originally Posted by US Patent Office
I bet the BATF doesn't like these things, either, although it's not illegal yet to my knowledge:
http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accesso...ivator-2.shtml
If you do just make sure you note I posted the final design of my bump stock on the old site 4 months before you announced your first model. Also it might be worthy to note that I was only improving upon the same idea I had seen shooters doing since the mid 80's. Seeing such things for 20 years (25 now) I never saw the idea of spring loaded bump stocks as all that revolutionary.
Bill - I don't think any of us was intending to market our toys? Just fyi - you are being a bit paranoid IMHO. And besides, mriddicks "design" was nothing like your's - from what I remember. Your's operates off of just the trigger being depressed. These other designs are such that you have to hold your finger against the trigger but not hold on to the grip - just a bump firing assist.
And, I also recall miriddick's post preceeding anything being known about your invention.
And isn't the device in the OP an infringement on your patent too? After all, the stock moves just like your's...
I wish you the best of luck if you are continuing to push for legality of your gizmo but please stop with the "threatening" BS OK?
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OK - I just read your previous reply - according to you (as it sounds) anybody bumpfiring their gun is infringing on your patent. Or if the stock has some spring to it (wich is all the aformentioned stocks were), then it's an infringement on your patent.
Wow, there are a whole bunch of products now on the market that preceded your patent that have springy butstocks and pads that could actually facilitate bump firing. ( How about a Romanian PSL? It has a spring-loaded recoil plate - and I think that was designed in the 70's? ).
I don't mean to poke fun at you Bill - I am appauled at the treatement that you got from BATFE. Just that if we aren't your "friends", then nobody is and you're here attacking us...
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Yes - just went back and looked at that "slide fire" that's being sold. Bill, if that's not an infringement on your patent, I don't know what is... are you pursuing that?
Last edited by O.S.O.K.; 12-10-2010 at 03:27 PM.
~Nemo me impune lacessit~
I like it. Better grab one before the ATF flipflops as they like to do. They gotta manufacture law breakers cause they won't go after the violent criminals. They're good at taking down kittens and pregnant ladies I hear.
Mr. Akins,
I am a troll, and this is my first post on this forum. I only signed up here in order to say my piece about how you are treating people here. I expect to possibly be banned for this post, and as such i certainly would not get my feelings hurt.
Bill, if I may. You are being a collossal asshole. It seems as though you're extremely hurt that the BATFE would reneg on their approval of your product. I can not blame you for being upset, and I side with you on this slap in the face by our government, as most here do I think. However, you're pissing on friends here. I don't know exactly how or what you have patented, and I don't care. No one does. If anyone should get mad, it's Slide Fire. Not you. If you had this super duper idea on paper, you should have made it a reality. You went a dfferent direction, and now Slide Fire has an item on the market that (while still overpriced) is roughly 30% the cost of what you had on the market.
Please understand that I am in NO way affiliated with Slide Fire or the .gov. You're simply being a shit head, and when I see shit heads make butt hurt posts and wrongly insinuate legal action against someone, I call them out. I'd like to see you walk up and knock on the door of any of these people that you're making screen shots of and tell them that their use of springs, rubber bands, shoe strings, etc is in violaton of your patent, and to cease and desist. If you don't come away bleeding or with a black eye, I would be surprised. You gonna sue me for violating your obscure patent on belt loops and thumbs?
I hope you lose every penny you have in frivolous suits. If your counsel was any good, he or she would tell you to quit while you're ahead. You say you've patented the design that Slide Fire now uses. You can't patent the human body and its function. A smart businessman like yourself would do well to possibly work with Slide Fire on future designs, as it's clear that you are of higher intelligence than the normal Joe (for example... me.)
TL/DR: Mr. Akins holds a grudge and is crapping on some of his most ardent supporters.
I may or may not be back. To the moderators and long standing members of this forum, please forgive my outburst and you may certainly do to this post or my account as you see fit.
This thread has gone from interesting to odd to down right weird all of only 2 pages. If we are ever to beat swampy's 52 page masterpiece we have got to slow down and bring up the weirdness level slowly. Here we are on page 2 and we are drawing lines like it's page 34...
My guess is it's not really the big deal you think it is, stop the lurking and start some posting
I said I was not here to argue with people who do not understand the claims protected in my patent. But you force me to correct you MrRiddick.
You do not seem to understand that it is irrelevant to the issue date of my patent of when I first announced or begin to sell my first model accelerator stocks. All that is relevant is when my patent was issued and in force from Aug 15, 2000.
Understand that my patent #6101918 became valid on Aug 15, 2000.
If you were unaware of my patent being legally in force since Aug 15, 2000, fully five years before you posted your infringing stock here, then your ignorance of the law is no excuse for infringement. Do you understand now?
Your homemade converted Tapco stock infringement of my patented claims stock, that you posted at the old GunsNetwork site, you made five years after my patent was issued. Clearly an infringement of my patent claims and I will explain why a little further on. Here's two of your posts from the old GunsNet site that you made back in 2005 and 2006 when you posted about your infringing stock here. Five and six full years after my patent was issued and in force. We went through this discussion before five and six years ago at the old GunsNet site MrRiddick. You cannot rewrite history when I have your saved posts from 2005 and 2006 when you first posted here telling about your infringement upon my patent. Again, fully five and six years after my patent was issued and in force. Any ignorance of yours as to my patent issuance date, is no excuse. Again, you and I had this discussion five and six years ago at the old GunsNetwork site. Here's my proof.
Note the date of your below post. It is 2005. Fully five years after my patent was issued.
Note the date of your below post about making another infringement upon my patent AK stock in 2006. Fully six years after my patent was issued.
You also stated that "you were only improving upon the same idea you had seen shooters doing since the mid 80's".
There's just one problem with that MrRiddick. None of those shooters bothered to patent a rifles action reciprocating within at least a stationary buttstock whether the fore end moved or not. I DID, and I own that intellectual property that you infringed upon.
MrRiddick, you also stated..."Seeing such things for 20 years (25 now) I never saw the idea of spring loaded bump stocks as all that revolutionary."
Whether the idea was revolutionary or not MrRiddick, the fact is that I was the first person to be issued a patent for a spring loaded, or non spring loaded, firearm action that reciprocated back and forth a predetermined distance within a buttstock that was stationary whether the fore end moved or not. In fact two examples of Akins Acclerators are drawings in my patent of a one piece SKS stock where the entire stock stays stationary while the action reciprocates back and forth. And the other being the two piece AK stock wherein only the rear portion of the stock stayed stationary while the fore end moved back and forth with the shooters offhand. Both those stock examples in my patent drawings utilizing a spring, but again, that was my option to make them that way. My patent covers any means of continually biasing the action or at least the trigger assembly back forwardly after recoiling.
Now that I've shown your infringement postings were five and six years after my patent was issued. I will now explain why your stock, and a few others who also made infringing copies of their own, are a violation of the claims in my patent.
Here is my main claim #1 of 19 claims. There are FURTHER claims as stated at the beginning of my claim #2, but they are just that. FURTHER CLAIMS. They do not obviate the first previous claim, but simply ADD TO IT.
"Claim #1. Quote Originally Posted by US Patent Office
I claim:
1. An accelerating mechanism by which to increase the cyclic rate at which the trigger of a semi-automatic firearm can be actuated to discharge the firearm, the firearm having a supporting device, a receiver and a barrel supported from the supporting device, a trigger mechanism secured to the receiver and presenting a trigger, said accelerating mechanism comprising:
means to permit the receiver, barrel and trigger mechanism to translate rearwardly a finite distance with respect to the supporting device in response to the recoil imparted to at least the trigger mechanism by the discharge of the semi-automatic firearm;
(MrRiddick, your infringing stock translated rearwardly a finite distance with respect to the supporting device (stock) in response to the recoil imparted to at least the trigger mechanism by the discharge of the semi_automatic firearm)
means continuously biasing at least the trigger mechanism to translate forwardly with respect to the supporting device substantially said same predetermined distance;
(MrRiddick, your infringing stock had a means continuously biasing (a spring) at least the trigger mechanism to translate forwardly with respect to the supporting device (stock) substantially said same predetermined distance)
a locating stop means mounted on the supporting device;
said locating stop means disposed to be engaged by the shooter's finger after the trigger has been actuated to fire the semi-automatic firearm, said engagement of the shooter's trigger finger with said locating stop effectively immobilizing the shooter's trigger finger with respect to said supporting device until the shooter releases his trigger finger from said locating stop means."
Now do you understand that your several infringing stocks infringed upon two of the embodiments in claim #1 of my patent MrRiddick? Do you get it now?
There were about 5 similar patent infringer like yourself. None them understood my patent and none of them cared. They tried to say they could make one if they weren't selling them. Look it up, patent law states that just the making (without selling or intending to sell) is still a patent infringement punishable by up to a $5000.00 fine for each separate infringement. You infringed at least two. That would be a $10,000 fine. Why did I not sue you and the other small timer garage infringers making one or two? It simply is not worth it to me unless one of you attempted to market it. But that is forebearance on my part. Realize, that I legally could if I chose to.
We had this same conversation four and five years ago at the old GunsNetwork site MrRiddick.
I hope this set the record straight, refreshed your memory and taught you some things you did not realize.
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Last edited by Bill Akins; 12-10-2010 at 10:07 PM.
I would never buy a thing from this guy.
Your my new Olympic arms.
Before you guys are too hard on Mr Akins you should read this: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/dec...eads-him-ruin/
I think he's mad at quite a few people, most notable the BATF and from the sound of the article has lost quite a bit personally in the deal. I bet from his point of view this whole mess is quite abit more stressing then anything most of us have ever experienced and I don't blame the guy for venting, maybe it's alittle over the top but still...
Last edited by mriddick; 12-10-2010 at 11:03 PM.
Gentlemen may prefer Blondes, but Real Men prefer Redheads!
I think it sucks what BATFE did to you, and I sincerely hope all turns out well for you and your company.
But don't think you have any patent or claim on generic bump firing or springs.
If Bubba Joe puts the rifle stock against his beer belly and uses a combination of "body fat spring" and "isometric tension" to bump fire, are you going to sue him for illegal infringement? Body fat as a spring?
This is the funniest thread... ever.
Gentlemen may prefer Blondes, but Real Men prefer Redheads!
Stressing, yes. Like I said before, I feel for him on the BATFE flinging him the bird. I side with him on this issue without question. But he is taking his anger out on people who are doing him no harm.
What if I wanted to heat up a piece of scrap steel and bang it into a certain shape... let's say an arrow or spade. And then I attached it to the end of a stick. I have effectively made a shovel. Who patented the shovel? Anybody know? DOES ANYBODY FUCKING CARE? Hey, if there's no patent, maybe I'll patent it and make BILLIONZ!!!!
Look, Mr. Akins. I truly hate that you got renegged on. And I really believe that you have the intelligence and ability to bring something special to the table. But party crashing like you are is silly. The way you are acting here will not remain in this forum, and anything you may do in the future will be diminished by your hateful (and ultimately weightless) remarks on this forum. The bottom line is, you invested valuable time and money in a product, and you got screwed. Stop wasting your time hunting down petty patent "infringements" and devote it in your shop. Bring us something that would make a company like Slide Fire take notice. Build a better mouse trap. Chances are, Slide Fire never looked into your patents and at best it was unintentional. And if you can prove that you invented the belt loop/rubber band/shoe lace method, then I'll close my trap. and hating on Slide Fire's method is like saying I infringed on someone's directional butt wiping patent because it pleases me to wipe side to side as opposed to front to back.
Slide Fire Solutions and I are currently involved with my patent license negiotiating. I stated that in my very first post. then I stated it again in a later post at this same thread. This is my third time re-stating that. A lot of the assumptions, misstatements and questions you have, I have already answered in my previous posts at this thread. If you would read them.
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