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Guns Network Staff
06-05-2011, 01:17 PM
Why won't the talking heads and economists come clean?

Measuring economic health by GDP is a total joke. No-body cares if GDP grows. GDP is an indirect indicator for the average personnel economic health. Historically, GDP growth meant job growth and and wage growth and that is why it was a good proxy for measuring economic health. But that is just not true any more. We see GDP growth due to increased efficiencies of computerization and mechanization that are actually job and wage destroyers, and due to employers who are able to take advantage of high unemployment, free trade, the death of unions, and widespread economic misery to reduce wages and demand longer hours for less pay from those lucky enough to still have jobs.

The truth is that the US economy is not creating nearly enough jobs to even keep up with new workers in the workforce, and wages are lagging behind inflation. Many/most Americans have seen their net worth decline for the past several years as their largest asset has lost more than 30% of its value. Furthermore US stocks - and therefore folks' IRAs and 401Ks - have delivered essentially a net zero APR over the past eleven years.

We are still in an economic recession (and if you don't like that phrase because you insist on clinging to an obsolete definition then just call it an economic repression). We never left it. We have been in that condition for several years now and I am convinced that we will be in that condition for many more years to come - maybe decades.

It is time for the media, economists, and talking head classes to come clean.

mriddick
06-05-2011, 02:05 PM
I believe we are in the midst of a 1990's Japanese economic scenario with a large permanent unemployed class that might go on for the next 20 years. I'm trying my hardest to join them but for now my bosses won't go along with :)

RTBArms1603
06-05-2011, 03:15 PM
In my Job, I visit many Industrial/Commercial Facilities.
The Employees having many years Seniority (high Wages/Benefits) are slowly being either fired or having their Positions eliminated. Then a few weeks/months later a new Position is created doing the same thing, and a part time (32 hours or less) Employee is hired at a much lower wage/benefit package. Yeah, things are getting better...right.

1 Patriot-of-many
06-05-2011, 06:38 PM
Unemployment is about double the false numbers they're declaring. Everything from the gov't is being calculated differently to make things look better on paper(and on your tv screen) than they really are.

Schuetzenman
06-05-2011, 07:49 PM
I think this is the start of the next Great Depression. Odumbo has fucked the economy up so bad he's killed it. It's all grinding to a halt and soon even the MSM won't be able to hide it with their propaganda campaign.

mustangpd
06-05-2011, 08:00 PM
So very true

Warthogg
06-05-2011, 08:57 PM
Unemployment is about double the false numbers they're declaring. Everything from the gov't is being calculated differently to make things look better on paper(and on your tv screen) than they really are.

Yup



Wart

Warthogg
06-05-2011, 08:59 PM
I think this is the start of the next Great Depression. Odumbo has fucked the economy up so bad he's killed it. It's all grinding to a halt and soon even the MSM won't be able to hide it with their propaganda campaign.

So far as domestic fiscal policy Barry Obama is a continuation of Dubya Bush. Not popular to hear I know but still true. Both Dubya and Barry are Progressives.



Wart

Warthogg
06-05-2011, 09:02 PM
I believe we are in the midst of a 1990's Japanese economic scenario with a large permanent unemployed class that might go on........

Yes, in some ways we are victims of our own success. Our increased efficiency requires fewer employees.



Wart

Warthogg
06-05-2011, 09:04 PM
In my Job, I visit many Industrial/Commercial Facilities.
The Employees having many years Seniority (high Wages/Benefits) are slowly being either fired or having their Positions eliminated. Then a few weeks/months later a new Position is created doing the same thing, and a part time (32 hours or less) Employee is hired at a much lower wage/benefit package. Yeah, things are getting better...right.

Yup

Generally part-time workers have few to no benefits.


Wart

ltorlo64
06-05-2011, 09:05 PM
Yes, in some ways we are victims of our own success. Our increased efficiency requires fewer employees.



Wart

This should allow us to build more things, a larger variety of things. Instead we open a new casino, ammusement park, or a
fast food resturant and then wonder why people can't make ends meet.