UN starts talks on global arms trade treaty

[Gunreference1]

UN starts talks on global arms trade treaty

By EDITH M. LEDERER (AP) – 6 hours ago

UNITED NATIONS — The United Nations began negotiations on a legally binding treaty aimed at regulating the global arms trade to help prevent the illegal transfer of guns that kill and injure thousands of people every day.

The General Assembly first voted in December 2006 to work toward a treaty regulating the growing, multibillion dollar arms trade. Last December, the 192-member world body decided to hold a four-week U.N. conference in 2012 to draft an arms trade treaty, and it authorized four preparatory conferences — the first of which began Monday.

There are currently no legally binding international rules governing the trade in conventional weapons, and treaty supporters say gaps and loopholes in national regulations allow thousands of weapons to end up in conflict zones in the hands of serious human rights abusers.

Though only Zimbabwe voted against going ahead with negotiations, the idea of a treaty is contentious.

Argentina's U.N. Ambassador Roberto Garcia Moritan, chairman of the preparatory process, said "there is a very strong gun lobby that is very vocal sometimes." That lobby is especially strong in the United States, where the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizens the right to "keep and bear arms."

Garcia stressed that a treaty would not hinder the right to produce, export or import arms — but it is aimed at ensuring common international import and export standards to prevent illegal trafficking.

While such a treaty would not "solve all problems," he said, it would provide guidelines for buying and selling arms so the weapons couldn't be used to fuel events like the 1994 Rwanda genocide, where weapons were sold after the killings began.

The Control Arms Campaign, an international network of civil society groups including Amnesty International and Oxfam, urged negotiators to draft "a robust and effective treaty" that saves lives. It said 128 armed conflicts since 1989 have resulted in at least 250,000 deaths each year.

According to the preparatory committee's agenda, the 192 U.N. member states will be considering "the elements that would be needed to attain an effective and balanced legally binding instrument on the highest possible common international standards for the transfer of conventional arms."

Garcia said the negotiations would govern not only guns but the sale of fighter planes, unmanned aerial vehicles, missiles and light weapons.

The U.N. adopted a program of action in 2001 on controlling the arms trade which is not legally binding but which Garcia said many countries adhere to. Among other things, it requires countries to report what they are doing to prevent the illicit trafficking of small arms and light weapons.

Garcia said, for example, that he would like to see strong measures in a treaty on the marking of guns so illegal weapons can be traced.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j4o41nNZG_S5uOp44Ln6R79rJuigD9GTVKLO0

Steve

[L1A1Rocker]

This will do nothing to stop rouge nations from purchasing on the ligitimate market and selling on the black market. I believe someone referred to it as a "grey market" in guns.

[Gunreference1]

Understanding the United Nations and US Gun Control

by Jennifer Kendall
07/20/2010

On Monday, June 28, 2010, The Supreme Court reaffirmed the Second Amendment during the trial of McDonald vs. Chicago. The 5-4 ruling confirmed that neither a state nor city, acting under a grant of authority from the state, could deny a person the right to possess a firearm. This was seen as a victory for gun rights activists, but with the United Nations Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) treaty looming in the near future, this fight is far from over.

The U.N. program of action concerning SALW includes restrictions on the manufacturing, storing, transferring and possession of firearms and ammunition if it is not adequately marked. It ensures that once SALW’s program is enacted all licensed manufacturers must apply a unique marking identifying the country of manufacture, manufacturer and serial number of the weapon. Weapons that lack this unique marking that are confiscated, seized or collected will be destroyed. These restrictions will be enforced on a national, regional and global scale.

Once the treaty is signed, if you happen to own a gun that was manufactured without this “unique marking,” you are in violation of the law and must turn over your weapon to authorities. This includes guns that were obtained legally. With gun laws in the U.S. that already place many restrictions on the sale of personal firearms, the adoption of this treaty would further infringe on the Second Amendment of the Constitution. When the founding fathers of the U.S wrote that, “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed,” they made no mention of unique markings.

John Bolton, US Representative to the UN under the George W. Bush administration, says, “The [Obama] administration is trying to act as though this is really just a treaty about international arms trade between nation states, but there’s no doubt--as was the case back over a decade ago--that the real agenda here is domestic firearms control.”

The U.N.’s reasons for planning to draft stricter gun laws in the future are mostly related to stopping the illicit trade of small arms and light weapons. However, the President of the Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons, Camilo Reyes Rodriguez of Colombia, in July 2001, stated his disappointment on the “inability to agree… on language recognizing the need to establish and maintain controls over private ownership of these deadly weapons and the need for preventing sales of such arms to non-State groups.” Rodriguez said that these steps were “two of the most important.”

The U.N. shows “overwhelming support” for such measures, according to Rodriguez. The U.N. claims these gun laws would help to lessen gun violence, but statistics foretell a different outcome. A survey by the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in 2001 found that the top three states with the most gun ownership in America were Massachusetts, Connecticut and Kentucky (in descending order). Another study, by Statehealthfacts.org in 2002, ranked the states with the least gun related deaths per 100,000 people. Hawaii had the least gun-related deaths followed by Massachusetts and Connecticut. The District of Columbia had the most gun related deaths and conversely the least amount of guns owned.

Worldwide gun-related deaths also don’t show any support for more restrictive gun laws. The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems in 2002 found that South Africa, Columbia and Thailand topped the list of countries with the most murders by firearms per capita. Yet when 178 countries were ranked in descending order by which had the most civilian firearms per 100 people, South Africa came in 50th place, Columbia was 91st and Thailand was 39th.

You can’t argue that stricter gun control and fewer guns owned by citizens would diminish gun violence when looking at the facts. If a country were to confiscate its citizen’s guns by national law, it would leave guns in the hands of only the government and criminals. I’m not sure which group is more terrifying. When criminals are the only people who possess handguns, law-abiding citizens are powerless to defend themselves. This makes non-criminals easy targets and gun crimes rise respectively.

This was proven to all countries when England enacted a ban on ownership of handguns in 1997. Two years after the gun ban had gone into effect the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting found that the use of handguns in crime had risen 40%.

David Bredin, the director of the campaign, said, “It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place.” The reason stricter gun control did not mean less violence, the campaign concluded, was “existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.”

If gun control does not coincide with a safer society, then the U.N. has no ground for declaring controls on private ownership would help solve the illegal trafficking of firearms. In fact, if prohibition taught us anything, it is that restrictions do not decrease demand, but only cut supply. When supply drops and demand stays the same, prices rise and incentives lead to added underground crime rings. The U.N. should drop the gun laws, pick up some history books and take a few notes. Maybe then they could focus on something useful like stopping Iran’s nuclear program.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38103&s=rcme

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Thursday, August 26th, 2010 at 8:07 am

Movement on the U.N. Gun Ban

Mexican President and Chicago Mayor call for end of U.S. Sovereignty.

Colorado -–(Ammoland.com)- A storm of liberal anti-gun opinion is swelling to force international anti-gun policies on American citizens as NAGR continues the fight to protect the Second Amendment from international gun grabbers.

Recently we reported that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Obama Administration are pushing for Senate ratification of the United Nations’ “Small Arms Treaty.” The National Association for Gun Rights has taken the lead on stopping this end-run around the Constitution by contacting millions of Americans about this impending threat to their liberties, and working with principled leaders in Washington, D.C. to build a bulwark against the treaty.

NAGR has been the lead organization in opposition to the Small Arms Treaty, conducting high-level meetings with Congressional leaders and delivering hundreds of thousands of signed petitions to members of the U.S. House and Senate, demanding the United States oppose this treaty.

Recently, NAGR Executive Director Dudley Brown met with U.S. Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) to lay out strategic plans to defeat this threat to our constitutional liberties. United Nations working groups are meeting this summer to outline the language of the next “Small Arms Treaty” which is virtually assured to include extensive bans on handguns, semi-automatic rifles and rifle ammunition. The U.N. is planning to vote on the Small Arms Treaty in 2012, and international and local liberals are lining up in support of selling American sovereignty to buy international favor.

In order to prepare the ground work for a treaty that is sure to be a full scale attack on our right to keep and bear arms, national and international gun banners have begun the siren call of international safety over American rights.

These internationalists have the gall to stand before Congress and demand that the United States disregard the Constitution for the good of global society. Mexican President Felipe Calderon addressed a joint session of Congress and demanded that U.S. lawmakers ban so-called “assault rifles” to stop crime in Mexico. President Calderon is powerless to stop the ruthless drug cartels that are destroying his country, yet he is demanding that the U.S. ban your semi-automatic hunting rifles.

Calderon went on to use the well of the U.S. House of Representatives to blame the rampant violence in Mexico on the 2004 repeal of the Clinton/Feinstein assault weapons ban.

While it may seem unlikely that a renewal of the 1994 assault weapon ban would be passed by the full Congress, ratification of the UN gun ban would only take a majority of U.S. Senators to pass. This is why NAGR has placed the UN Gun Ban as its highest priority for 2010.

Not long before Calderon’s outrageous comments before Congress, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley joined the chorus to subjugate American interests to the whim of international favor.

In the face of the Supreme Court overturning Chicago’s handgun ban and after being rebuffed by the high court in his $433 million lawsuit against gun manufacturers, Daley wants the World Court to supersede U.S. law in firearms cases.

In April, Daley convinced dozens of mayors, including Mexico City’s, to join him in petitioning the World Court to overturn U.S. regulations protecting firearms and firearms manufacturers.

Gun banners like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama know the American people don’t support European-style gun bans. They’re hoping to subvert the American people and the electoral process by using international agreements like the UN Small Arms Treaty to achieve their anti-gun ends.

The staff and members of NAGR are continuing to stand against this international arms seizure attempt. To find out the latest, subscribe to AmmoLand Shooting Sports News for the latest news.

http://www.ammoland.com/2010/08/26/un-gun-ban/

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Friday, October 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

Behind the Scenes Obama Continues Pushing UN Gun Control Treaty

Voters can stop this global tyranny by electing an Obama-proof Congress.

Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- In late September, several dozen UN representatives met at the University of Massachusetts in Boston to further discuss their plans for global gun control.

While our President may have a history of being absent for important events --missing over 300 votes while in the U.S. Senate, dissing important dignitaries who visit our country, etc. - he was sure to have his administration represented at this meeting.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/category/pro-gun/

Steve

[Penguin]

Well this one is back again...

Great, just great.

I hope they can't pass it again this year but, given who is president and the make up of congress I am actually worried this time.

[Gunreference1]

In Unreal Session, U.N. Promises to Press Ahead with Arms Trade Treaty

Posted October 29th, 2010 at 2:00pm in American Leadership

The First Committee of the United Nations General Assembly, which focuses on disarmament and international security, has for the past month been hearing statements from U.N. member states, U.N. officials, and NGOs on a wide range of subjects, from outer space to chemical and biological weapons.

But a central focus of many statements is the U.N.’s proposed Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). The supposed purpose of this treaty is to establish “common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms.” The U.S. agreed to participate in the negotiations on the ATT on October 14, 2009, but only if the negotiations were conducted on the basis of consensus. The Administration hopes this will “ensure that all countries can be held to standards that will actually improve the global situation.”

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/10/29/in-unreal-session-u-n-promises-to-press-ahead-with-arms-trade-treaty/

Steve

[Dan Morris]

We have our chance...and duty.... to vote on Tuesday. This was warned of years ago but the masses swallowed the dems bs that it would never happen!
Dan

[AK_Apostle]

We have a one party system no matter what you think..... that answers to and does the bidding of the worlds wealthy megalomaniacs who have decided that one world government ie "Globalism" must come about.


"I say the same as to the opinion of those who consider the grant of the treaty-making power as boundless. if it is, then we have no Constitution. ~ Thomas Jefferson September 1803


President Kennedy signed the Freedom From War and Blue Print for the Peace Race in Sept 1961 and April 1962, both documents called for transferring U.S. armaments and forces to an all powerful UN military.



The worlds power brokers have used their secret organizations and foundation think tanks for the purpose of interpreting the Constitution to push their One world UN agenda that will step by step bring us under the UN's absolute control .



Excerpted from my copy of Global Tyranny Step by Step. Page 20

Americans should have been shocked and outraged then, when President Bush, in his address to the United Nations General Assembly on September 21, 1992, announced: "I welcome the Secretary Generals call for a new agenda to strengthen the United Nations ability to prevent, contain, and resolve conflict across the globe.... Robust peace -keeping requires men and equipment that only member states can provide.... These forces must be available on short notice at the request of the Security Council...." Mr. Bush said the challenges "as we enter the 21st century" will "require us to transform our collective institutions." He pledged to work with the UN" to best employ our considerable lift, logistics, communications, and intelligence capabilities," and stated: "The United States is prepared to make available our bases and facilities for multinational training and field exercises. One such base, nearby, with facilities is Fort Dix." Other than the John Birch Society, which has warned about these impending developments for decades, very few have raised a voice to spread the alarm. One who has is syndicated columnist Sam Francis. Commenting on An Agenda for Peace, he wrote: "If Americans would like to preserve the national independence and sovereignty they and their forebears have fought for, they need to pull down the one world monstrosity Boutros-Ghali is planning before he and his planners have a chance to build it." And to that every freedom-loving American should say, Amen!

Notes
1. National Security Strategy of the United States (The White House, August 1991
). 2. The United Nations Security Council, "Provisional Verbatim Record of the Three Thousand and Forty-sixth Meeting" (New York: UN Headquarters, January 31, 1992), pp. 49, 54-55. 3. Ibid., p. 8. 4. Ibid., p. 42. 5. Ibid., p. 59-60. 6. Ibid., p. 61. 7. Thomas Jefferson, quoted by Lewis C. Henry (ed.), Best Quotations
for all Occasions (Greenwich, CT: Fawcett Publications, 1964), p. 45

[imanaknut]

Argentina's U.N. Ambassador Roberto Garcia Moritan, chairman of the preparatory process, said "there is a very strong gun lobby that is very vocal sometimes." That lobby is especially strong in the United States, where the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizens the right to "keep and bear arms."

Someone please inform the good Ambassador that the US no longer has this amendment. If it did I would be able to purchase my dream weapon, an FNH P90, but my government tells me I can't.

And yes, voting this Tuesday is important if nothing else than to send a big message that we are tired of what is going on with our former of the people, by the people and FOR the people.

[Gunreference1]

Friday, November 26th, 2010 at 6:22 pm

Norming Guns Away: Warning about the United Nations

by Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick, and Joanne Eisen

Scottsdale, AZ --(Ammoland.com)- We American gun-owners need to become more familiar with the process of “norming.”

The “norm” of civilian disarmament already surrounds our country and has the potential to nullify our Second Amendment right. When global firearm-prohibitionists speak about “norming,” they are actually discussing the process wherein society becomes increasingly hostile to the possession of arms in the hands of civilians.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2010/11/26/norming-guns-away-warning-about-the-united-nations/

Steve

[MOP]

Can we 'de-fund' this bloated, and evil organization.

I would love to move them from NY, to Africa.

[Gunreference1]

Will The US Senate Ratify the UN Small Arms Treaty?

Tuesday, 14 December 2010 01:17 J. D. Longstreet - Insight On Freedom

We haven’t heard much about gun control lately here in America, and I am beginning to believe that is by design. The Obama Administration is hoping for Senate ratification of the treaty, which would, almost certainly, gut the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

The fact of the matter is this: The UN Small Arms Treaty amounts to global gun control.

In a letter from Congressman Paul Broun, Republican of Georgia, posted at the website of the National Association for Gun Owners Rights (HERE) (http://www.nagr.org/UN_lp_survey2.aspx?pid=UNWS) the congressman says the following:

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010121412333/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/will-the-us-senate-ratify-the-un-small-arms-treaty.html

Steve

[Gunreference1]

U.N. sneaks into backdoor

Posted Sunday, March 6, 2011, at 8:47 AM

Yes, you read that right. Obama and Hilary Clinton are both trying to join forces with the U.N. in order to pass the UN Small Arms Treaty. This Treaty will be used to de-arm America in the name of national security against terrorism.

In a letter by Rand Paul: http://www.nagr.org/UN_lp_survey2.aspx?pid=UNWS

"Disguised as legislation to help in the fight against terrorism, insurgency and international crime syndicates, the U.N.Small Arms Treaty is nothing more than a massive, GLOBAL gun control scheme.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.mountainhomenews.com/blogs/1290/entry/40292/

Steve

[Penguin]

Thanks for keeping up with this one.

[Gunreference1]

UN Ignores Its Own Data to Promote Gun Ban

If the United Nations consulted their own research, they wouldn’t be promoting their global civilian disarmament agenda.

April 2, 2011 - by Howard Nemerov (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/author/howardnemerov/)

Recently, the United Nations took the next step in negotiating an international arms trade treaty that has the full support of the Obama (http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/10/130573.htm) administration. The goal (http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/ArmsTradeTreaty/html/ATT.shtml) of this treaty is to impose “common international standards for the import, export and transfer of conventional arms” and ammunition, ostensibly because “too many arms still end up in the wrong hands.”

This high-sounding rhetoric demands further examination, especially since the UN group behind this meeting is called the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/united-nations-ignores-its-own-data-to-promote-gun-ban/

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Proposed U.N. Treaty to Regulate Global Firearms Trade Raising Concerns for U.S. Gun Makers

By Maxim Lott (http://www.foxnews.com/author/maxim-lott/index.html)

Published August 05, 2011| FoxNews.com


A controversial U.N. proposed treaty aimed at regulating guns worldwide has been shrouded by confusion and misinformation.

Known informally as the 'Small Arms Treaty,' its detractors have charged the proposed agreement with secretly trying to take guns out of the hands of Americans and circumventing the 2nd Amendment.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/05/proposed-un-treaty-to-regulate-global-firearms-trade-raising-concerns-for-us/

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Researchers predict UN Arms Trade Treaty will be finalized by summer

David Codrea (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/david-codrea), Gun Rights Examiner
December 12, 2011

“We predict that a global Arms Trade Treaty will come into force late this year,” a report in the Jan. 2012 issue of the Dillon Blue Press by researchers Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick and Joanne D. Eisen claims.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/researchers-predict-un-arms-trade-treaty-will-be-finalized-by-summer

Steve

[imanaknut]

It would not surprise me to see obama-messiah try to push this after the election, but unless he doesn't want a second term, it would be political suicide for him if he backed this.

[Penguin]

This one keeps comming back from the dead. Sadly just like a zombie it only has to bite you once, then you are toast.

[bigj480]

I'm not sure the pres would sign it before election, but you never know. They claim that it will not have any effect on US gun owners and only deals with trade, but I have a feeling that's lip service. Besides, many of the parts/guns I want come from overseas.

[Gunreference1]

The UN Arms Trade Treaty is a "bulletproof" license to sell

Britain should be cautious of backing a treaty that lacks a clear recognition that dictatorships should not have the same rights to participate in the arms trade as the world’s democracies

The UN Arms Trade Treaty sprang (http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_11/British) from an initiative by then Foreign Secretary Jack Straw in September 2004. Impelled, perhaps, by the irony of being part of a Labour government that was presiding over wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the treaty Straw called for will likely be adopted in July 2012. Today, British NGOs are among the treaty’s most vociferous advocates, with Oxfam calling with monotonous (http://t.co/6isXzL7F) regularity (http://t.co/4Jsf01Rq) for a “bulletproof Arms Trade Treaty.”

In the US, the treaty is controversial primarily because it might affect (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2011/12/Effects-of-the-UN-Arms-Trade-Treaty-on-the-US) rights protected under the Second Amendment to the Constitution, which are summed up in the phrase “the right of the people to keep and bear arms.” If the treaty gets as far as the Senate, Second Amendment concerns will likely scuttle it there.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/751/the_un_arms_trade_treaty_is_a_bulletproof_license_ to_sell

Steve

[Schuetzenman]

UN:pissin-chipmunk2:

[imanaknut]

It makes sense, honest nations would abide by the treaty leaving the world ripe for pickings by armed dictators who are happy not to care about what the UN thinks or does.

Also, as for the idea that firearms kill and main thousands, using the same words, ban automobiles as they do a far better job.

I would be so happy to see the wrecking ball taken to the UN headquarters minutes after we kick them out of this country.

And second amendment concerns "will likely scuttle it"??? Does this mean our second amendment would over ride the UN treaty??? And if so, WHY CAN'T I BUY AN FNH P-90?????

[Helen Keller]

If it's BLUE it dies.

[Gunreference1]

Bill Defunds United Nations If Arms Trade Treaty Is Adopted

Wednesday, December 28th, 2011 at 10:19 AM

Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- Congressman Joe Walsh (R-IL-8) on Dec. 7 introduced the Second Amendment Protection Act (HR-3594) with 20 co-sponsors, a measure that would cut off all funding to the United Nations if the United States agrees to any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of American citizens.

In a letter to his colleagues seeking additional co-sponsors in the House, Walsh noted that “The United Nations has been trying for almost a decade now to move forward with the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT). This treaty poses a very real threat to the sovereignty of the United States and to our right to keep and bear arms—and this treaty is now moving forward with the support of the current administration.”

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/12/28/bill-defunds-united-nations-if-arms-trade-treaty-is-adopted/

HR 3594 - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.3594:

Steve

[Penguin]

That is some good news. I hope the protection act passes and even more importantly the treaty fails again.

[O.S.O.K.]

Will The US Senate Ratify the UN Small Arms Treaty?

Tuesday, 14 December 2010 01:17 J. D. Longstreet - Insight On Freedom

We haven’t heard much about gun control lately here in America, and I am beginning to believe that is by design. The Obama Administration is hoping for Senate ratification of the treaty, which would, almost certainly, gut the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

The fact of the matter is this: The UN Small Arms Treaty amounts to global gun control.

In a letter from Congressman Paul Broun, Republican of Georgia, posted at the website of the National Association for Gun Owners Rights (HERE) (http://www.nagr.org/UN_lp_survey2.aspx?pid=UNWS) the congressman says the following:

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2010121412333/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/will-the-us-senate-ratify-the-un-small-arms-treaty.html

Steve

NO, I don't think it will.

But if it does.... then we should revolt. Violently. The 2A is the only thing between freedom and servitude. And I have to disagree that it isn't in place - it has been damaged, yes, but you can still own unregistered firearms in most of the country and we've made progress towards eliminating the cancers...

[Gunreference1]

UN’s Arms Trade Treaty – Perverting Logic While Banning Guns

Tuesday, February 14th, 2012 at 5:10 PM

By Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick, & Joanne D. Eisen

New York, NY --(Ammoland.com)- If someone lies to you in order to manipulate you into changing your behavior, you should be very cautious and look for intent.

The Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) proponents have been lying from the outset to get States to jump on the ATT bandwagon.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/02/14/uns-arms-trade-treaty-perverting-logic-while-banning-guns/

Steve

[imanaknut]

The UN lying to gain control? Who would have thunk?

[Gunreference1]

Arms Trade Treaty – Late-Breaking Developments

Sunday, February 19th, 2012 at 6:47 PM
By Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick, & Joanne D. Eisen

New York, NY --(Ammoland.com)- It has come to our attention that Arms Trade Treaty proponents are attempting to change the rules mid-stream, prior to the upcoming Treaty negotiations in early July.

Ted R. Bromund, Senior Research Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, alerted the public (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/02/us-must-address-critical-questions-on-un-arms-trade-treaty) to the very real possibility that ATT proponents are changing the meaning of the term “consensus” and to the political ramifications for the US if ATT proponents prevail. Until now, “consensus (http://www.noravank.am/upload/pdf/337_en.pdf)” has been understood by the US and others to mean 100-percent agreement with all the provisions of the ATT.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/02/19/arms-trade-treaty-late-breaking-developments/

Steve

[imanaknut]

If the story plays out as outlined in the article, and some other country tries to get reparations from the US because someone used an M16 to commit a crime, I would guess that if obama-messiah wins a second term, that he would be glad to pay reparations, but hopefully we will have someone else in office who would be happy to tell the people in that monolith in New York that they have one month to vacate the building before demolition begins. And demolition will begin regardless as to whether they vacate or not when told to leave.

[Gunreference1]

The Second Amendment and Global Gun Control

Joseph Bruce Alonso FNa1

This article explores the interplay between the international law involved in global gun prohibition efforts and the domestic law of the United States. Joseph Bruce Alonso is an attorney in Marietta, Georgia. This Article is based on a paper which received first prize in the NRA Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund student lawyer essay contest in 2002.

INTRODUCTION

The right to bear arms carries a unique significance in American law and culture and now faces conflict with international gun control. Left unchecked, international gun control will compromise a fundamental human right. This Article explains the United Nations‟ recent efforts at international gun control and how those efforts conflict with the American right to bear arms. The first part of this Article describes international law and United States domestic law, and analyzes the interaction between the two legal schemes.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.saf.org/journal/15/thesecondamendmentandglobalguncontrol.pdf

Steve

[O.S.O.K.]

I agree with Helen Keller. Right to the point: "if it's blue, it dies". :lol:

Seriously, any attempt at instilling a UN gun control regimine on this country must be met with violent opposition. Immediate, extremely violent opposition.

[gpwasr10]

The UN can do whatever it wants, just like I will continue doing whatever it is I want.

[O.S.O.K.]

Can you imagine the run on guns and ammo ahead of this going down? Would make the 2008 run look like a cake sale.

[Penguin]

Thanks for the update on this again.

[Gunreference1]

Arms Trade Treaty – The Hell With Congress

Posted on March 12, 2012 by Ammoland

By Paul Gallant, Sherry Gallant, Alan Chwick & Joanne D. Eisen

Manasquan, NJ --(Ammoland.com)- There is a widespread misunderstanding on the part of American gun-owners, evidenced in gun blogs and in commentaries on articles dealing with the Arms Trade Treaty (http://www.ammoland.com/2012/02/27/the-arms-trade-treaty-our-constitutions-loophole/#axzz1ovVvoZFN) (ATT).

The crux of this misunderstanding is that, since there are checks and balances in our Constitution, and since the Constitution clearly states that ratification of a treaty can only occur “provided two thirds of the Senators present concur,” this is almost impossible to come about.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/03/12/arms-trade-treaty-the-hell-with-congress/#axzz1p2hE1HJI

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Researchers say don’t count on Constitution to stop Arms Trade Treaty

David Codrea (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/david-codrea)
Gun Rights Examiner

MANASQUAN, N.J.— “There is a widespread misunderstanding on the part of American gun-owners, evidenced in gun blogs and in commentaries on articles dealing with the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT),” researchers Paul Gallant, Sherry Gallant, Alan Chwick and Joanne D. Eisen report in an AmmoLand paper filed yesterday.

“The crux of this misunderstanding,” they write, “is that, since there are checks and balances in our Constitution, and since the Constitution clearly states that ratification of a treaty can only occur ‘provided two thirds of the Senators present concur,’ this is almost impossible to come about.”

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/researchers-say-don-t-count-on-constitution-to-stop-arms-trade-treaty

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Sen. Moran’s bill to protect 2A from U.N. hailed by CCRKBA

- CCRKBA Wednesday, March 21, 2012

BELLEVUE, WA – Kansas Senator Jerry Moran’s newly-introduced legislation to protect Second Amendment rights from a proposed United Nations small arms treaty is an idea that needs to be passed quickly, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

Sen. Moran’s proposed Second Amendment Sovereignty Act, S. 2205, is similar to legislation introduced in the House by Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh in December. Like the Walsh bill, Sen. Moran’s measure would prohibit the Obama administration from attempting to influence Arms Trade Treaty negotiations that might restrict the Second Amendment rights of U.S. citizens.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/45419

S 2205 - http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.2205:

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Arms Trade Treaty: Canada Adopted New Gun Control Stance At Last Minute On Orders From John Baird's Office

Posted: 03/21/2012 11:28 pm Updated: 03/23/2012 9:26 am

The office of Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird ordered last-minute changes to Canada's position on an international arms treaty, as well as to its delegation to meetings at United Nations headquarters, CBC News has learned.

According to documents obtained under the Access to Information Act, the minister's office ignored advice from the department and ordered civil servants to invite Steve Torino, president of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association (CSSA), to meetings that ran from July 11-15, 2011, in New York City. The CSSA is an organization that represents thousands of firearms enthusiasts.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/03/21/arms-trade-treaty-canada-john-baird_n_1371581.html

Steve

[Penguin]

Thanks for the update.

[Gunreference1]

The Lie Behind the Arms Trade Treaty

Posted on April 12, 2012 by Ammoland

By Paul Gallant, Alan Chwick, & Joanne D. Eisen


New York, NY --(Ammoland.com)- Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) proponents have lied from the beginning.

And they persist in attempts to reassure people in countries that allow civilian firearm ownership that the ATT will not affect their national laws.

We are told the Treaty will basically affect the illegal transfer of weapons, but not lawful civilian ownership.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/04/12/the-lie-behind-the-arms-trade-treaty/#axzz1rsX9rm1o

Steve

[O.S.O.K.]

How can you tell when a UN beaurocrat is lying?

That's right - same as a lawyer.

[stinker]

How can you tell when a UN beaurocrat is lying?

That's right - same as a lawyer.

And what does a lawyer have in common with a sperm cell?

Both have a one in a million shot at becoming a human being one day.

Odds don't look too good for the UN beauracrat since theres no real reach around to them.

[Gunreference1]

Obama Pushing UN Gun Control While Senate Bill Would Cut Funding of UN Small Arms Treaty

Posted on May 8, 2012 by Ammoland

Washington, DC --(Ammoland.com)- Kansas Senator Jerry Moran introduced legislation to prohibit the Obama administration from negotiating away our gun rights as part of the UN Arms Trade Treaty (ATT).

The ATT is a backdoor attempt to impose massive restrictions on U.S. gun rights. While negotiations on the treaty are being held behind closed doors, it is certain to include language that will:

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/05/08/obama-pushing-un-gun-control-while-senate-bill-would-cut-funding-of-un-small-arms-treaty/#axzz1uNDyB8AM

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Rehberg Amendment to Restrict Funds for a UN Arms Trade Treaty Passes in U.S. House

Posted on May 18, 2012 by Ammoland

Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- Congressman Denny Rehberg’s (Mont.) amendment to restrict the use of federal funds for advocating or lobbying for a United Nations Arms Trade Treaty has passed the U.S. House Committee on Appropriations by a bi-partisan vote of 30 to 20.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/05/18/rehberg-amendment-to-restrict-funds-for-a-un-arms-trade-treaty-passes-in-u-s-house/#

Steve

[imanaknut]

Nice to see this being done. I talked to my own congressional critter and he being a true gun-toting Hoosier guaranteed me that if no one else worked to block the UN intrusion, he would personally take it on. Looks like he didn't need to!!!

[Gunreference1]

Senator Moran Leads Efforts Against U.N. Gun Ban Treaty

Posted on May 21, 2012 by Ammoland

Charlotte, NC --(Ammoland.com)- By now, every gun owner concerned about the future of our right to keep and bear arms is aware that the international gun eradication movement has been working for more than a decade to achieve a U.N. Arms Trade Treaty that would cover not only tanks, helicopters, and other heavy weapons, but also rifles, shotguns and handguns.

As called for by a resolution adopted by the U.N. General Assembly in 2009, a conference will be held in July 2012, in New York City, to draft the treaty’s language. On a parallel track, the ridiculously named Preparatory Committee for the United Nations Conference to Review Progress Made in the Implementation of the Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects (http://www.poa-iss.org/poa/poahtml.aspx)–held its most recent Preparatory Conference in New York earlier this year.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/05/21/senator-moran-leads-efforts-against-u-n-gun-ban-treaty/#

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Tuesday, May 22, 2012

HR 5846 - The Second Amendment Sovereignty Act

Representatives Ben Quayle (R-AZ) and Denny Rehberg (R-MT) have introduced HR 5846 - the Second Amendment Sovereignty Act - which is intended to counter the UN's proposed Arms Trade Treaty. During the Bush Administration, the US actively worked against this treaty as they felt it violated the Second Amendment rights of its citizens. The Obama Administration, by contrast, is a willing participant in this effort.

While the text of HR 5846 has not been released yet, Rep. Quayle did have this to say (http://quayle.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=49&parentid=1&sectiontree=49&itemid=343):

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2012/05/hr-5846-second-amendment-sovereignty.html

Steve

[1 Patriot-of-many]

I don't care what they say, a treaty doesn't supersede my Constitutional rights, any more than if the UN banned dissent by citizens against govt's would nullify my right to free speech..

[Gunreference1]

Canada revises stance on UN arms trade treaty

By Alison Crawford, CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)
Posted: Jun 4, 2012 4:13 PM ET
Last Updated: Jun 4, 2012 10:05 PM ET

Canada has modified its controversial position on a United Nations arms control treaty.

In a new position paper submitted to the UN, the federal government has dropped its proposal to exclude all sporting and hunting firearms from the international Arms Trade Treaty, an agreement that seeks to regulate the import, export and transfer of all conventional weapons.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/06/04/pol-un-arms-control-canada-change.html

Steve

[Gunreference1]

Long-time Arms Trade Treaty Threat Takes Step Closer

Posted on June 18, 2012 by Ammoland

Houston, Tx --(Ammoland.com)- A UN Conference to limit gun ownership has been scheduled for July 2, 2012. The long-touted boggy-man for gun owners, the UN Arms Trade Agreement is moving closer.

The Obama Administration voted as early as October of 2009 to abandon the position taken by the Bush Administration and SUPPORT a United Nations sponsored treaty to regulate the $55 billion a year trade in conventional weapons.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/06/18/long-time-arms-trade-treaty-threat-takes-step-closer/#axzz1yC9aFA6Q

Steve

[Penguin]

This is sounding worse and worse.

[imanaknut]

Long-time Arms Trade Treaty Threat Takes Step Closer

Posted on June 18, 2012 by Ammoland

Houston, Tx --(Ammoland.com)- A UN Conference to limit gun ownership has been scheduled for July 2, 2012. The long-touted boggy-man for gun owners, the UN Arms Trade Agreement is moving closer.

The Obama Administration voted as early as October of 2009 to abandon the position taken by the Bush Administration and SUPPORT a United Nations sponsored treaty to regulate the $55 billion a year trade in conventional weapons.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/06/18/long-time-arms-trade-treaty-threat-takes-step-closer/#axzz1yC9aFA6Q


Steve



This is more the reason obama-messiah backs the treaty, it kills jobs and he seems hell bent to destroy any job that makes a person self-sufficient.

[Gunreference1]

July 3, 2012

Palestinian status snit delays U.N. arms treaty talks

Dave Workman (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/dave-workman)
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner

American gun rights (http://www.examiner.com/topic/gun-rights) advocates might thank the Palestinians and their supporters for delaying (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18684022), until Tuesday afternoon, anyway, the start of the long-awaited Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) (http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/03/guns-bullets-human-rights-on-agenda-at-arms-treaty-talks/) negotiations at the United Nations (http://www.examiner.com/topic/united-nations), although it leaves two key players from Washington State in a bit of a lurch.

Alan Gottlieb (http://www.examiner.com/topic/alan-gottlieb), chairman of the Bellevue-based Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and his wife, Julianne, have been key players in organizing the opposition to the ATT. Both are planning to be at the U.N. sometime during the negotiation process. It is widely known that CCRKBA (http://www.examiner.com/topic/ccrkba) staff had a role in crafting legislation sponsored by Congressman Joe Walsh (http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=2797) (R-IL) and Senator Jerry Moran (http://www.ccrkba.org/?p=2844) (R-KS) that would protect the Second Amendment from any such international treaty.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/article/palestinian-snit-delays-u-n-arms-treaty-talks

Steve

[Gunreference1]

State Dept. says UN arms treaty won't 'handicap' Second Amendment rights

By Julian Pecquet - 07/06/12 04:23 PM ET

The United States will not allow the United Nations to impose any restrictions on Americans' gun rights, the Obama administration declared Friday, as the first week of negotiations on an international arms trade treaty came to a close.

“The Arms Trade Treaty will not in any way handicap the legitimate right of self-defense,” Acting Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said in a tweet (https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/221328050602782723).

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/236501-obama-administration-spells-out-red-lines-for-un-arms-trade-treaty

Steve

[imanaknut]

State Dept. says UN arms treaty won't 'handicap' Second Amendment rights

By Julian Pecquet - 07/06/12 04:23 PM ET

The United States will not allow the United Nations to impose any restrictions on Americans' gun rights, the Obama administration declared Friday, as the first week of negotiations on an international arms trade treaty came to a close.

“The Arms Trade Treaty will not in any way handicap the legitimate right of self-defense,” Acting Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said in a tweet (https://twitter.com/Gottemoeller/status/221328050602782723).

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/un-treaties/236501-obama-administration-spells-out-red-lines-for-un-arms-trade-treaty

Steve

Just like obama-messiah promised that there will be no tax increases for we the people (as opposed to "they the rich").

And to the huge titled Rose Gottemoeller, the right to self defense is only part of the right of the people to keep and bear arms. The whole idea was to protect we the people from you the government.

[JTHunter]

Many of you may have seen here and elsewhere that many Senators (inluding some Democrats) have stated their opposition to the ATT. That may be all well and good but as one of the most lobbied, influenced (bought & paid for) groups, do you really expect to hold them to that?

Who would have thought that a Supreme Court Justice that most of the "experts" thought would vote one way ended up being "influenced" to vote the other way? Don't say it can't happen!!

[Gunreference1]

Examiner exclusive: U.N. releases proposed Arms Trade Treaty text

July 24, 2012
By: Dave Workman (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/dave-workman)

The proposed United Nations (http://www.examiner.com/topic/united-nations) international Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) is out, and it is already running into trouble as many of the tenets are apparently contrary to United States law, to say nothing of the collision they might have with the Second Amendment.

Julianne Versnel-Gottlieb with the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation reports from the U.N. headquarters in New York that the head of the U.S. delegation, Thomas Countryman, was quick to point out that provisions in the proposed treaty will run into trouble with existing law.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/article/examiner-exclusive-u-n-releases-proposed-arms-trade-treaty-text

Steve

[FunkyPertwee]

14. Recognizing the legitimate international trade and lawful private ownership and use of conventional arms exclusively for, inter alia, recreational, cultural, historical and sporting activities for States where such ownership and use are permitted or protected by law;

They can kiss my ass.

[Durangokid]

The UN is controled by Socialist nations. It is past time to form a league of Democratic Nations.

[Gunreference1]

Arms Trade Treaty Negotiations Collapse as USA Refuses to Sign

Posted on July 27, 2012 by Ammoland

CCRKBA Credits Grassroots For U.S. Decision To Not Sign Arms Treaty

BELLEVUE, WA – -(Ammoland.com)- The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today applauds the decision by the United States to not sign the proposed International Arms Trade Treaty, and CCRKBA credits grassroots action for the gun rights victory.

CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, who is at the United Nations in New York, said the announcement came Friday morning after a week of intense negotiations.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/07/27/arms-trade-treaty-negotiations-collapse-as-usa-refuses-to-sign/#axzz21s2FP5VW

Steve

[imanaknut]

I had to read that several times and still can't believe that our government did the right thing!

[old Grump]

The UN is controled by Socialist nations. It is past time to form a league of Democratic Nations.
Socialist nations are by definition Democratic nations. We are not a Democracy. It would have been better if you had said a league of free nations vs the group of despotic nations.

[old Grump]

I had to read that several times and still can't believe that our government did the right thing!Last month 58 Senators had signed a letter stating they would not viote for the ATT and some pof them personally advised him not to sign it. It was dead in the water before it even got off the ground. Fear not, now the Resident of the White House has stated that if you are not in the Army and if you have an AK47 you must be a criminal. After all you do not need a high powered rifle that sprays hundreds of rounds per minute for hunting a deer.

[Gunreference1]

UN small weapons control body reconvenes

August 27, 2012
By: Michael McGuire

The United Nations (http://www.examiner.com/topic/united-nations)' committee to study a global agreement on the trade of small and light weapons reconvened Monday in New York, according to an emailed announcement from the UN.

Called the Second Review Conference of the UN Program of Action on Small Arms and Light Weapons (http://www.un.org/disarmament/convarms/SALW/), the stated goal of the conference is to "concrete recommendations for improving national legislation and controls over illicit small arms, fostering regional cooperation and promoting international assistance and cooperation on the issue.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.examiner.com/article/un-small-weapons-control-body-reconvenes

Steve

[Dr. Gonzo GED]

illicit small arms remain the weapons of choice for those who seek to challenge legitimate State power,
Ban Ki Moon.

Yup, there it is.

Will I get raided if I suggest it's time to shoot every last one of these screws execution style?

[imanaknut]

I figured it out!!! There is a way to help other countries who think they have too many weapons. SEND THEM HERE!!! Get ATF the heck out of making legislation, specifically legislation that bans imported firearms that don't meet their imagined sporting purpose clause of their unconstitutional doctrine. I would be more than happy to see people like me trying to figure out which version of Russian Red wood color on a real deal AK or AKM or AK-74, with out worrying about some unconstitutional law saying that my constitutional rights can be violated.

Let the Valmets, Galils, FAMAS, and all the great weapons that other countries don't want flood the shores of we the people who shall not be infringed.

No I am not smoking anything, just dreaming of what life would be with a government of the people, by the people and for the people.

[Gunreference1]

U.N. triggers Plan B on global gun control

'What's at stake is the entire fate of firearms in America'
Published: 15 hours ago

by Michael Carl Email (mcarl@wnd.com)

Americans who thought the United Nations’ gun-grabbing agenda collapsed with the adjournment of the Small Arms Treaty meetings in July are in for a surprise.

Enter the U.N. Programme Against Small Arms, an administrative program that National Association for Gun Rights (http://www.nationalgunrights.org/) Executive Vice President Dudley Brown says wouldn’t require a vote in Congress to be enacted, but has so far flown under the radar of most gun-rights groups.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/u-n-triggers-plan-b-on-global-gun-control/

Steve

[Gunreference1]

United Nations Launches First Small Arms Control “Standards”

Published: 12:57 PM 09/12/2012

NEWTOWN, Conn. — In late August, an umbrella organization of 23 separate U.N. agencies known as the Coordinating Action on Small Arms (CASA) adopted the first portion of International Small Arms Control Standards (ISACS). The ISACS text is made up of 33 separate modules, some 800 pages in total. So far, eight modules have been adopted as the result of a process begun in the spring.

An Experts Reference Group (ERG), which included a small number of professionals with firearms experience, including Richard Patterson, managing director of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI), provided constructive criticisms on the first draft text of these modules. A second draft, however, revealed that numerous issues identified by the ERG had not been addressed, a fundamental violation of the legitimate standard-setting process.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/12/united-nations-launches-first-small-arms-control-standards/

Steve

[Penguin]

Again thanks for keeping up on this.

[Gunreference1]

Diplomacy inbox fills up as U.N. awaits U.S. presidential vote

October 18, 2012|By Louis Charbonneau | Reuters

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - As the United States prepares for a presidential election next month, thorny diplomatic issues like an arms treaty, the Palestinians' U.N. aspirations and talks on banning weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East have had to wait.

For months, U.N. officials and diplomats have complained privately that discussions at the United Nations aimed at resolving a range of problems have been delayed until after the November 6 election in which President Barack Obama, a Democrat, faces off against Republican contender Mitt Romney.

To read the rest of the story click the link below.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-18/news/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-unitednationsbre89h1ni-20121018_1_arms-trade-treaty-draft-treaty-gun-control

Steve