rioting in england.......

[Ruskiegunlover]

coming to an ameriKan city near you. Eventually, we will either print so much money and cause sucj inflation we'll see rioting here because of the high cost of EVERYTHING. Or, we'll cut entitlements and the welfare checks will go rioting, because its 'conservatives' and 'rich people's' fault.......get ready guys. Lock and load. My house will never burn, and my wife will never be hurt by these useless pieces of shit.

Watch the rioting in the peoples Socialist republic of England, and learn from it. I am telling you, we will see this eventually.

[Charliebravo]

I've just added an additional coat of lubricant to my bolts and slide rails along with loading up a few extra mags. Fortunately, Fort Worth, TX is not London. The rioters and looters will not like it here.

[Ruskiegunlover]

I think in most of ameriCA it will not be as bad. But who knows. We saw LA 18 years ago. Difference here is that OUR police have weapons. I am just still convinced eventually we'll have this. I'd recommend maybe those of us with ccw carry an extra couple of mags, maybe a box of ammo for a long ride home.

[Charliebravo]

I'd recommend maybe those of us with ccw carry an extra couple of mags, maybe a box of ammo for a long ride home.I leave my issued Sig P220 in my locker every night when I go home. I still carry my Glock 26 with an extra 3 mags in my bag. I also carry my personal AR on-duty and take it home every night. One mag in the rifle, one in my bag (that I carry in the passenger's seat at work), and another 10 in the rifle bag. By my math, that's 360 rounds of .223 and 64 rounds of 9mm. That should last me 7 miles.

[mriddick]

I don't think it can get as bad here solely because there are so many firearms, however if it does happen it might be a good time to settle some old scores... :)

[yankeedog]

1: Around here everybody who wants on welfare gets welfare.
2: Riots will not happen here because of the thought of getting shot at from every window in the house they are standing in front of.

[Ruskiegunlover]

we'll see. Remember, those rioting may very well own firearms too. I was advised today at my job by another teacher that.....

82% of the kids at my school are on free lunch. Thats taxpayer funded. Many come from illegal families who are on government benefits somehow. Many of these kids show up at school in 150 dollar shoes, with a 100 dollar phone with full data package.....their parents drop them off in cadillac escalades. Again, i was advised this is a large number of the students I will be teaching. But they are poor, some on welfare, and get free lunch and show up to class with no supplies and say they cannot afford them. I am serious about this too. And the poor can and do onw guns. In fact, some of these trash might just own a different class of weapons entirely then we do.

[jojo]

Odd that you would bring this up. I found myself dragging another can of 5.56 to the house today. Since I'm in the middle of 80 acres it will be a long run for any would be rioters on my property. I also have a black mouthed cur that never sleeps, he just waits.

[stinker]

Odd that you would bring this up. I found myself dragging another can of 5.56 to the house today. Since I'm in the middle of 80 acres it will be a long run for any would be rioters on my property. I also have a black mouthed cur that never sleeps, he just waits.
80 acres you might want to consider having something around with a bit more range to it than a 5.56. An AR10 or 308 saiga would do nicely

[arcangel]

Yeah for the 80 Acres, a 308 or 30 06 might serve you better depending on your layout. But anyways this was what I was trying to say about only having 60 rds of 9mm in my car and on my person combined in the other thread. I guess I was just maybe trying to justify putting a rifle in my car. I've been feeling like this sort of thing was on its way. My GF's aunt told us today when we went shopping with her that in the last month on her side of a different apartment complex than ours has had 6 break ins. People stealing TV's, electronics, jewlery, and really want the guns the most. She's been concerned, she lives by herself, her daughter in the Army just moved out a few weeks ago. Her daughter's 9mm Hi-point was also stolen, they have caught the guy.

It looks like the thugs and gang types are really looking for guns around in this city. So it also looks like some shit is brewing, people are getting more on the desperate side. Im going to put a couple of 33 rd G19 mags in the car ready to go. Im happy my GF can shoot rifle and pistol confidently and with some talent. If a break in were to occur she knows to reach for the USP 45 and knows where the mags/ammo are. If riots and social disorder were to occur Id like to see this apartment complex empty out, and who ever may be left community up for the long haul. But feel deep down these people are beast at heart, a lot here are welfare kings. Everywhere you go these people are there too. What happened to this country? I've got the mags loaded just whaiting to see what happens next.

[yankeedog]

Yeah for the 80 Acres, a 308 or 30 06 might serve you better depending on your layout. But anyways this was what I was trying to say about only having 60 rds of 9mm in my car and on my person combined in the other thread. I guess I was just maybe trying to justify putting a rifle in my car. I've been feeling like this sort of thing was on its way. My GF's aunt told us today when we went shopping with her that in the last month on her side of a different apartment complex than ours has had 6 break ins. People stealing TV's, electronics, jewlery, and really want the guns the most. She's been concerned, she lives by herself, her daughter in the Army just moved out a few weeks ago. Her daughter's 9mm Hi-point was also stolen, they have caught the guy.

It looks like the thugs and gang types are really looking for guns around in this city. So it also looks like some shit is brewing, people are getting more on the desperate side. Im going to put a couple of 33 rd G19 mags in the car ready to go. Im happy my GF can shoot rifle and pistol confidently and with some talent. If a break in were to occur she knows to reach for the USP 45 and knows where the mags/ammo are. If riots and social disorder were to occur Id like to see this apartment complex empty out, and who ever may be left community up for the long haul. But feel deep down these people are beast at heart, a lot here are welfare kings. Everywhere you go these people are there too. What happened to this country? I've got the mags loaded just whaiting to see what happens next.

You are who we will have to protect ourselves from if this imaginary made up right wing Ruskiegunlover boondoggle would ever show its ugly head.

[arcangel]

Ok whatever dude. I thought this was the place to share whats been going on in our areas and kinda co-mingle on the subjects. I dont know you and why would you need to defend yourself from me? It would probably be everyone defending against everyone. IF it were to happen IF.

[Oswald Bastable]

Ok whatever dude. I thought this was the place to share whats been going on in our areas and kinda co-mingle on the subjects. I dont know you and why would you need to defend yourself from me? It would probably be everyone defending against everyone. IF it were to happen IF.

Yankeedog is a liberal plant pretending to be a racist rednecked gun owner. His entire purpose here is to make conservative gun owners look bad by pretending to be one of them and emulating the worst attributes the left attributes to conservative gun owners.

Don't believe me? Review his posts, even since the reboot of GNS...review them carefully and with an eye to what I've said.

[arcangel]

I have man, and see fair enough. I listen to what everyone has to say, like some listen to what I have to say. Waiting for me to mess up.

[yankeedog]

I dont know you and why would you need to defend yourself from me?
But I know you and your character I deal with your kind everyday.
I have read all your post to about your girlfriend and her antics from the beginning and you owning guns and its just a matter of time before they come in play in a domestic dispute.


Yankeedog is a liberal plant pretending to be a racist rednecked gun owner. His entire purpose here is to make conservative gun owners look bad by pretending to be one of them and emulating the worst attributes the left attributes to conservative gun owners.
Don't believe me? Review his posts, even since the reboot of GNS...review them carefully and with an eye to what I've said.

Just because I don't agree with every right winger gun owner and praise every "veteran" everytime they get into trouble doesn't make me the bad guy.
Some people shouldn't have guns because they are morons.
And the daily "gloom and doom" basement dwellers gets a little boring.

[Ruskiegunlover]

its ok. Some people will not see whats coming until it arrives. Yank can do as he pleases. When it comes to pass, we'll have one less liberal in the world and on gunsnet.

[CigarGuy]

I worry that the Black Panthers, or the Unions, or some such group as that, will attempt to "stir" things up IF they don't get the proper result in the next election....
They've made the case, continually, that your racist IF you don't "like" Obama.

[TomO]

Yeah, things are starting to get squirley. After years of carrying a 5 shot .38 I'm looking into getting a high-cap. 9mm for carry now.

...as for the house burning; let's just say anyone who comes near my property with a Molotov Cocktail better be wearing level III body armor with the trauma plates inserted.



...that way they can harvest his organs after I shoot the bastard in the head. :wildshooter:

[arcangel]

I dont see either of us as bad guys, and I dont see really anyone here as a BG either. Granted I dont really know many people here I like to hope for the best of others. My guns are just fine locked up like they should be. And if my GF and I argue or get into a dispute the firearms arent involved. And if/ when we do argue how is that your concern? It isnt dude, Im just here to share my opinions, with people that are sort of like minded. Im here to prep and learn. It looks like some are here to argue and thats cool too I guess, I just dont dwell on those things.

[yankeedog]

its ok. Some people will not see whats coming until it arrives. Yank can do as he pleases. When it comes to pass, we'll have one less liberal in the world and on gunsnet.
Really? you can say that about anything, your not telling anyone anything but blabber!

We could have one less you and no one would notice.

[yankeedog]

And if/ when we do argue how is that your concern? It isnt dude,

Im here to prep and learn.

Its my concern because of the people you will hurt blasting holes in your girlfriend that goes thru the wall of your crib.
And if your here to learn anything its how to spread gloom and doom.

[blacksheep]

Hey joey did you loot some good shit ? or is he in :banned-mad:

[O.S.O.K.]

Joey was banned from the site a while back. But it's a temporary thing - he can come back after his sentence is up. But he's probably busy shitting his pants and hoping that his place isn't burned to the ground and not being able to do anything about it...

My take on this whole thing in terms of here is that if it develops and is contained in the usual areas (LA, Detroit, etc.) then it will probably just burn itself out and that's that.

However, if it crops up all over the place, then we will see a lot of dead hooded figures being shown on the news because there is no way, no how that armed Americans are going to allow a group of armed or otherwise looters to just waltz into their neighborhoods or town centers and freely shoot the place up. No, they will face organized resistance from the locals who will in many cases be working in concert with the local LEO's and the locals will kick their ass.

Remember this?

http://www.catsprn.com/images/loot_we_shoot.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Hurricane_Ike_Bridge_City_TX_You_Loot_We_Shoot.jpg

http://chezjacq.com/weblog/images/Rugstore09-03-05.jpg

This simply can't happen in England. This is the 2A in action.

Our Founding Fathers were brilliant and talented men who were fully seated in the here and now, who were out getting their hands dirty and leading. They were not ivory tower intelectuals like those who now question the Constitution.

God Bless them and God Bless us - we will make it through this crisis of stupidity that has developed. We will prevail for all of the same reasons that have held us up in previous crisis times.

[O.S.O.K.]

Don't know if anyone has put this up yet, but I thought I would - shows the extent of the situation there: Aug 8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tttu-KvQFDo

[arcangel]

If thats your opinion then its yours, you dont know me man. I really dont care what you have to say about me. And I dont care because I've gotten along just fine for the 27 years I've been alive without your opinion. I dont know why you think Im the type to go around blasting people, especially the ones I love but ok if thats how you feel I cant change your mind. But Im not that type of person. Yes Im paranoid about doom and gloom scenarios and have been for a long time. Maybe some people share that opinion too. If you dont you dont then, again I dont care. If I get kicked out of here for what I say thats also fine, there are other places to go and talk to people and there are people just like you or me there too. Im going to ignore you now.

[Justin]

I'm glad that I don't live in an urban area; if massive civil unrest comes to America I'll have my guns, ammo, food, and water. I suspect that the government will regain control though, it'll just take a few weeks, at the very most. I do however need to stock up on a lot more tp, I suspect that I'll be doing a lot of bathroom breaks, as I watch our country go to hell in a handbasket on tv.

[binky59]

If something breaks out in our city, we will simply put our sign outside of our complex and wait,
oh our sign says "WELCOME TO HELL"

[arcangel]

Welcome to hell sums it all up. The complex we live at is gated on 3 sides and a big hill with some woods and the Kalamazoo river beyond that. It would be a pain getting in here if this place was forted up right and good people man the stations.

[O.S.O.K.]

Looks to me like the Brit white trash are just as bad as their black and brown trash - this is systemic problem with their socialist society that's created a dependent class.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucM1cZIXl8Q&NR=1

[jojo]

Bet all of the victims are wishing they hadn't of given up their right to bear arms.

[yankeedog]

[QUOTE=O.S.O.K.;155523]

http://www.catsprn.com/images/loot_we_shoot.jpg

Well that pretty well sums it up for riots in the USA, it wont happen for very long with this scene on every street corner!!!

[stinker]

I'm glad that I don't live in an urban area; if massive civil unrest comes to America I'll have my guns, ammo, food, and water. I suspect that the government will regain control though, it'll just take a few weeks, at the very most. I do however need to stock up on a lot more tp, I suspect that I'll be doing a lot of bathroom breaks, as I watch our country go to hell in a handbasket on tv.
Don't forget to include several cases of jiffypop in your stores just for the occasion.

[jojo]

80 acres you might want to consider having something around with a bit more range to it than a 5.56. An AR10 or 308 saiga would do nicely

Oh yea. I've got 3 cans of .308 for the ole M1A and about 30 boxes of Federal Gold Match for the Remington LTR. It would be a long run for any would be thugs. My lake covers the back half of my cabin so I think I can cover things pretty well. Never know till presented with the problem. I don't expect SEALS to be attacking me.

[mrkalashnikov]

The upheavals going on in Merrye Olde England pale beside the riots we had here in the US back in the 60's. 101st Airborne and other Army units were deployed to some of the biggest hot spots, while National Guard units were called out to restore order in dozens of cities that were under siege, especially after MLK got killed in '68. I saw NG soldiers rolling through my town in Sept 1967, following a night of burning, looting, and shooting. The soldiers had orders from the Governor to "shoot to kill" people engaged in looting, arson, or shooting at law enforcement personnel. They did just that too...the riots ended pretty quick after the jeep & half-track mounted .50 and .30 BMGs were brought to bear on the rioters.

[slamfire51]

I worry that the Black Panthers, or the Unions, or some such group as that, will attempt to "stir" things up IF they don't get the proper result in the next election....
They've made the case, continually, that your racist IF you don't "like" Obama.

Hmmm, guess I'm a racist after all.

[O.S.O.K.]

Yep, me too if that's the definition....

Here's an update on the London sit (from Russia Today of all sources...)

Apparently, this riot/demonstration is about the candy being given to the children. In other words, the parasites are upset.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmudJafnQh0&feature=fvst

[Richard Simmons]

I leave my issued Sig P220 in my locker every night when I go home. I still carry my Glock 26 with an extra 3 mags in my bag. I also carry my personal AR on-duty and take it home every night. One mag in the rifle, one in my bag (that I carry in the passenger's seat at work), and another 10 in the rifle bag. By my math, that's 360 rounds of .223 and 64 rounds of 9mm. That should last me 7 miles.

Looks good but I'd toss a 12ga in the trunk just in case you have to "detour" on the way home. 00 buck tends to open a path a little quicker than single rounds.

[slamfire51]

Looks good but I'd toss a 12ga in the trunk just in case you have to "detour" on the way home. 00 buck tends to open a path a little quicker than single rounds.


Nothing like nine 32 cal. pellets hitting you at one time.

[arcangel]

Been thinking more and more of a good 12ga pump for riot control and home defense. I've never owned a shotty, but have shot clay with friends a few times. An 870 would be nice.

[O.S.O.K.]

If this proves to be a reliable shooter, I would go with it myslef - 14 rounds of woop ass in a compact package. $625 wholesale.


http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/KTKSG.jpg

Keltec KSG 12 gauge.

[arcangel]

That Keltec shotty looks pretty cool, I think its a dual tube fed. But its very short and compact, I think that would be nice for vehicle, home defense, or back pack type of gun.

[stinker]

If this proves to be a reliable shooter, I would go with it myslef - 14 rounds of woop ass in a compact package. $625 wholesale.


http://www.lipseys.com/eImages/KTKSG.jpg

Keltec KSG 12 gauge.

Funny how that's the exact same thing i looked up after reading the previous post but before you posted.
Great minds think alike :)

They're not on the market yet though are they?

[Richard Simmons]

Nothing like nine 32 cal. pellets hitting you at one time.

Or you and the guy beside you and the guy beside him! Not sure that your average looter needs a mortal hit to get him or her to cease and desist. A .32 cal slug, so to speak might, lethal or not may be just the deterrent.

[Cypher]

If we ever see food riots I think that will be the worst possible scenario that could unfold.

[O.S.O.K.]

Funny how that's the exact same thing i looked up after reading the previous post but before you posted.
Great minds think alike :)

They're not on the market yet though are they?

Check the web addy for that pic - Lipsey's has them in stock. You can order and have shipped to your dealer. $808 MSRP = ~ $625 wholesale

I checked some of the youtubes on this earlier today - looks to be a reliable shooter now - they had a couple of glitches to start with but fixed them.

[arcangel]

Didnt they have problems with the feeding? I saw a few youtube videos and the people that had the shotty seemed to have problems with feeding, and seemed like it was difficult to switch between the 2 tubes. But if they have it fixed I wouldnt mind one with a small red dot on the top.

[yankeedog]

Been thinking more and more of a good 12ga pump for riot control and home defense. I've never owned a shotty, but have shot clay with friends a few times. An 870 would be nice.

Riot control?
And you called a shotgun a "shotty" I don't know about yelling out at to a crowd" Hey I got a shotty "!!!!

[stinker]

Check the web addy for that pic - Lipsey's has them in stock. You can order and have shipped to your dealer. $808 MSRP = ~ $625 wholesale

I checked some of the youtubes on this earlier today - looks to be a reliable shooter now - they had a couple of glitches to start with but fixed them.

They're not out for sale yet anywhere. I called and confirmed it. Lipsey's just has it listed for when they do come out.

[arcangel]

Possible riot control? Hell I dont know. I've always called shot guns shotty. I dont own any shot guns, I really have no use for one yet, I also dont own any revolvers. I like semi auto military style firearms. Or bolt guns. When I go shooting I like to do longer range work, and it's all in good fun. Sometimes we do close work with rifles, but usually use handguns for that. I dont really like multiple bullets at the same time type of thing. And prefer hi capacity over power. But I've gotten range time with friends and cousins that have shot guns so I know and understand how they work.

I've been considering a shot gun just because the ammo is still kinda cheap and shooting clays is pretty fun. A shot gun does fill in the gaps in an arsenal, I like the looks of the Benneli's, and 870 styles. I think its cool that some shot guns have ghost rings for aiming rather than the bead.

[O.S.O.K.]

OK, then it'll just have to be one of my AK's or AR's... oh bother. :firedevil:

[yankeedog]

Possible riot control? Hell I dont know. I've always called shot guns shotty. I dont own any shot guns, I really have no use for one yet, I also dont own any revolvers. I like semi auto military style firearms. Or bolt guns. When I go shooting I like to do longer range work, and it's all in good fun. Sometimes we do close work with rifles, but usually use handguns for that. I dont really like multiple bullets at the same time type of thing. And prefer hi capacity over power. But I've gotten range time with friends and cousins that have shot guns so I know and understand how they work.

I've been considering a shot gun just because the ammo is still kinda cheap and shooting clays is pretty fun. A shot gun does fill in the gaps in an arsenal, I like the looks of the Benneli's, and 870 styles. I think its cool that some shot guns have ghost rings for aiming rather than the bead.

How old are you, less than 23?
Where do you do all this shooting, the back lot behind the projects???
Shotty:big-gun:

[arcangel]

27. At the local pistol range, state land, or my grandmas property up north.

[imanaknut]

Quite a few rioters in England were keyboard commandos who got together through listings on social network sites. They thought it was a fun thing to loot and burn.
(See a story I linked to in a different thread)

While a shotgun will open a nice path, most of these people would scatter once they found out real life differs from computer games, and that real bullet wounds from people protecting their own life and property don't heal with energy pills.

[NewbieAKguy]

I'm not sure it'd be "allowed" to get that out of control. Like mrkalashnikov mentioned about the riots in the 60s, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if martial law would be declared. Just my .02 anyways.

[arcangel]

Martial law maybe a good thing in the larger cities like Detroit, where welfare peoples pretty much go un-checked. Its pretty scary in some places of Detroit, you cant go to the store without someone trying to put the hustle on you. Drugs, sterio systems, DVD players, just about anything these dudes try to pawn off on anyone. At all hours of the day too. I dont want to see martial law, its un-American, but something needs to be done about these places.

[Cypher]

Quite a few rioters in England were keyboard commandos who got together through listings on social network sites. They thought it was a fun thing to loot and burn.
(See a story I linked to in a different thread)

While a shotgun will open a nice path, most of these people would scatter once they found out real life differs from computer games, and that real bullet wounds from people protecting their own life and property don't heal with energy pills.

LOL, what about medic kits.

[TomO]

OK, then it'll just have to be one of my AK's or AR's... oh bother. :firedevil:

Being a reletive newb at the whole "evil black rifle" thing one of the reasons I got an AK before the AR platforms I intend to get is that it scares the shit out of people.....don't know why...but it seems to. I figured that I'd be best off getting the scary one first in case things got out of hand before I was better "prepared". :)

[Mark Ducati]

Did I miss something more?

I thought the rioting in England was over a man being shot and killed by the police (the mob believes the man was unjustly shot)? NOT over their economy?

[TomO]

Did I miss something more?

I thought the rioting in England was over a man being shot and killed by the police (the mob believes the man was unjustly shot)? NOT over their economy?

That's how it started....they had to come up with a better reason for why it continues because "Thugs gunna loot" doesn't sound good. :)

[O.S.O.K.]

Being a reletive newb at the whole "evil black rifle" thing one of the reasons I got an AK before the AR platforms I intend to get is that it scares the shit out of people.....don't know why...but it seems to. I figured that I'd be best off getting the scary one first in case things got out of hand before I was better "prepared". :)

This is why I have multiple platforms :lool: so that I can switch between "friendly" assault rifle and "scary" assault rifle to cater to the situation at hand.

No, not really.

I do get what you're saying though - and it's true, a lot of non-gun people in particular equate AK to drug gangs, terrorists, etc. and the AR is more "patriotic" looking to them.

Of course, we don't really want our adversaries to see our weapon - just feel the bullet penetrating their torso and thinking "oh shit!". :firedevil:

[arcangel]

I think the police may have a harder time seeing an AK in a situation where you need to use it, and may draw more attention to you. A lot of gang and thug types love the AK up here too, so if they see what you have they may take it as a way to re-supply. I dont know that for a fact, I just hear of a lot of thug types liking the AK. An AR may get you further though. Police and military both use similar systems and may think twice before coming your way. They may think perhaps that your former LEO/military and may not even trouble themselves to find out. Then again Im not 100% sure on that either. But thats really the reason I stuck to the AR platforms. I like AK's and really want a good one, but good quality AK's are difficult to find around here, other than WASR's.

[Warthogg]

This is why I have multiple platforms :lool: so that I can switch between "friendly" assault rifle and "scary" assault rifle.......



City of New York actually made the NYPD carry Mini-14's because of their (relatively) benign appearance.


Wart

Changed after 9/11 I think.

[O.S.O.K.]

City of New York actually made the NYPD carry Mini-14's because of their (relatively) benign appearance.


Wart

Changed after 9/11 I think.

That's my "warm and fuzzy" assault weapon :)

My pistol caliber leverguns are the next step - "friendly cowboy" assault weapons :lool:

[TomO]

I think the police may have a harder time seeing an AK in a situation where you need to use it, and may draw more attention to you. A lot of gang and thug types love the AK up here too, so if they see what you have they may take it as a way to re-supply. I dont know that for a fact, I just hear of a lot of thug types liking the AK. An AR may get you further though. Police and military both use similar systems and may think twice before coming your way. They may think perhaps that your former LEO/military and may not even trouble themselves to find out. Then again Im not 100% sure on that either. But thats really the reason I stuck to the AR platforms. I like AK's and really want a good one, but good quality AK's are difficult to find around here, other than WASR's.

Very true...but I don't intend to take it from the house if I can.....besides, it isn't going to be the police threatening to molotov cocktail my house or loot my belongings. :)




I hope.

[TomO]

This is why I have multiple platforms :lool: so that I can switch between "friendly" assault rifle and "scary" assault rifle to cater to the situation at hand.

No, not really.

I do get what you're saying though - and it's true, a lot of non-gun people in particular equate AK to drug gangs, terrorists, etc. and the AR is more "patriotic" looking to them.

Within a year or so I hopefully will have the same option. With the exception of playtime at the range the AK pretty much stays a safe queen anyway. It's not exactly a "home defense" option unless it's total SHTF and "It's on & I don't care anymore" time. :wildshooter:


Of course, we don't really want our adversaries to see our weapon - just feel the bullet penetrating their torso and thinking "oh shit!". :firedevil:


....and if there is one thing that 7.62X39 does is penetrate.