obama Halts Controversial EPA Regulation

[ATAK, Inc.]

Nice to see obama acting more of a centrist, if only for re-election brownie points! This needs to be followed up by many more regs thrown out, but I'm not holding my breath!


WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Friday scrapped his administration's controversial plans to tighten smog rules, bowing to the demands of congressional Republicans and some business leaders.

Obama overruled the Environmental Protection Agency — and the unanimous opinion of its independent panel of scientific advisers — and directed administrator Lisa Jackson to withdraw the proposed regulation to reduce concentrations of ground-level ozone, smog's main ingredient. The decision rests in part on reducing regulatory burdens and uncertainty for businesses at a time of rampant uncertainty about an unsteady economy.


Rest of story here: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-halts-controversial-epa-regulation-143731156.html

[El Jefe]

The EPA needs to be killed off entirely.

[ltorlo64]

This is just amazing that he is doing this. This is one of the things he ran on, making things more expensive by regulation and now he is having to back down. This just shows how bad things are for this President.

[El Jefe]

Yep, if the truth were known I'd imagine we'd learn that this administration is in a full blown panic right now. Which is rather disconcerting when coupled with their obvious incompetence.

[stinker]

Anybody that actually thinks he's turned over a new leaf and seen the light about his job killing policies speak now


.....(crickets).....(crickets).....(crickets)..... (crickets)......

Three words...ZERO POINT ZERO.

The only reason he even considered removing it is because of a 0.0% jobs growth report and being stuck at 9.1% "official" unemployment and he still wants to get re-elected. While i'm glad it's gone, i give him absolutely no credit for removing the regulations that he says will kill jobs because it was his regulation to begin with. If he knows it will kill jobs then why the hell did he put it in place to begin with?

I aint buyin it Barry so :big-fu:

[1 Patriot-of-many]

Anybody that actually thinks he's turned over a new leaf and seen the light about his job killing policies speak now


.....(crickets).....(crickets).....(crickets)..... (crickets)......

Three words...ZERO POINT ZERO.

The only reason he even considered removing it is because of a 0.0% jobs growth report and being stuck at 9.1% "official" unemployment and he still wants to get re-elected. While i'm glad it's gone, i give him absolutely no credit for removing the regulations that he says will kill jobs because it was his regulation to begin with. If he knows it will kill jobs then why the hell did he put it in place to begin with?

I aint buyin it Barry so :big-fu:
YEP right on the money, election ploy.

[L1A1Rocker]

There is only one reason he did this. VOTES! See, this really hit some states out of left field and they were not prepared for it. This was going to cause more than just a few power plants to be shut down with nothing to provide the needed electricity. When the US starts having rolling blackouts because there is not enough electric plants people are going to get PISSED!

The best part about this is that the lefties on DU are going absolutly ape shit. LMAO!

[ltorlo64]

There is only one reason he did this. VOTES! See, this really hit some states out of left field and they were not prepared for it. This was going to cause more than just a few power plants to be shut down with nothing to provide the needed electricity. When the US starts having rolling blackouts because there is not enough electric plants people are going to get PISSED!

The best part about this is that the lefties on DU are going absolutly ape shit. LMAO!

He may have done this for votes, but it will also cost him votes. They may not be votes that will transfer to a Republican or other more conservative candidate, but they will not be votes for him.

[American Rage]

He had no choice if he didn't want revolution to break out in Texas. Not only that, but Perry would have laid the body of every elderly Texan, regardless of race, who died of heat exhaustion at Obama's feet.

One can only imagine the political slaughter that would have occured upon the dims in 11/12.



Rage

[blacksheep]

This is just amazing that he is doing this. This is one of the things he ran on, making things more expensive by regulation and now he is having to back down. This just shows how bad things are for this President.

He's only backing off cause it's election time, if he wins a second term we are all screwed.

[ATAK, Inc.]

He's only backing off cause it's election time, if he wins a second term we are all screwed.


+1,000,000

I have never felt afraid for my country in my life, until obama took the stage! And I lived, and fought thru the cold war, but this is a threat from inside that bombers and subs cannot handle... Well, they could;) but totally different. We are under attack from the very center of everything we hold true in our hearts.
If there isn't change in 2012, then there WILL be change in 2012!

[Sergis Bauer]

All the GOP needs to do is run someone reasonably moderate and Barry's done. If the candidate skews too far right, the media will make them out to be a racist kook (because they are running against a black man, and because the media portrays ALL far-right candidates as kooks), and the (at best) semi-educated electorate will swallow it whole.

Let the Tea Party candidates storm the legislature, but if the Republicans want the oval office, they'll need to win the center, which shouldn't be too hard if they just play things halfway smart.

[stinker]

All the GOP needs to do is run someone reasonably moderate and Barry's done. If the candidate skews too far right, the media will make them out to be a racist kook (because they are running against a black man, and because the media portrays ALL far-right candidates as kooks), and the (at best) semi-educated electorate will swallow it whole.

Let the Tea Party candidates storm the legislature, but if the Republicans want the oval office, they'll need to win the center, which shouldn't be too hard if they just play things halfway smart.

Yeah man, cause we need like, someone like John McCain man or like, Mitt for Brains Romney cause like, we need bipartisanship and compromise with like, the communists.

The media is going to portray ANY republican as a right wing racist no matter what he preaches. They are running against a black man not an elected president therefore they must be racist. They allready picked sides long before bambam got elected and any of the other than democrat candidates are all unacceptable to them no matter what. They're going to anything and everything to get him elected again because they're deeply emotionally invested in his being in office as the first plack president, ordained by god himself, to show us to the promised land, to help us find that single shining path to utopia.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLKgbeG-KGc&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL94F967B9A26D4275

And my personal favorite.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TptsP4ryido

[weevil]

Well there in lies the great hope for Obama in '12.


The Repubs are deeply split between the centrist RINO wing of the party and the far-right TEA Party wing and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of middle-ground.

Or a candidate that can unite and energize these two seemingly polar opposites.



Obama is an incumbent with the media firmly in his camp and the unwavering support of the left.


Unless the Repubs can find a candidate who can hold the far-right and take the center, there will be four more years of you-know-who and he will be unfettered of the cares of anymore elections and finally free to enact his policies and leave his mark on America for generations to come.

[Sergis Bauer]

Maybe Nader will run again... couldn't hurt. The Democrats have done a better job pulling together their disparate elements lately than the Republicans have, and the right NEEDS to learn those lessons and realize that sometimes one has to choose the lesser of two evils. For Tea Part folks, that might be someone more moderate than they want, for centrist Republicans, that may be someone more conservative than they want. But everyone on the right side of the aisle needs to keep in mind what's at stake here.

[blacksheep]

Obama wins re-election as soon as some dumb ass goes third party.:anger:

[ltorlo64]

Obama wins re-election as soon as some dumb ass goes third party.:anger:

Unless that person is a Democrat. I didn't think that was possible until recently when a Democrat decided to run against Rep. Giffords in AZ. With the unhappiness that exists in the left wing of the Democrat party over President Obama's inability to get through anything other than the health care industry take over, and that is tenuous at best, I could see a Green Party or other fringe liberal type party really hurting the Democrats this next election cycle.

[ltorlo64]

He's only backing off cause it's election time, if he wins a second term we are all screwed.

That is true, but it will alienate more of his base than he already has. Like I said earlier his actions may not equate into Republican votes, but they could very well equate into no votes for President Obama, which is almost as good.

[Warthogg]

The EPA needs to be killed.


Yup


Wart

[Warthogg]

.....but they could very well equate into no votes for President Obama.....

Splain please.


Wart

[ltorlo64]

Splain please.


Wart

They could just decide not to vote, which in my mind is the most likely outcome. Alot of the Presidents supporters last time were young people who voted out of excitement to be part of "the first ever" something. This time, if they are disenfranchised as I think they are becoming, they will just stay home. So while it will not increase the number of votes for a Republican candidate, it will reduce the number of votes for the President. Sort of like what Perot did to the first President Bush. All he did was remove votes from Bush, he didn't cause any votes to go to Clinton, but it was enough to affect the race.

[Sergis Bauer]

Sort of like what Perot did to the first President Bush. All he did was remove votes from Bush, he didn't cause any votes to go to Clinton, but it was enough to affect the race.

And like TR did to Taft back in nineteen-and-twelve. I think if you added up the Republican and Bull Moose vote, it came to 50%. Wilson split the other 50% with Debs, the perennial Socialist. No split on the right, the Republicans win.

[stinker]

Unless that person is a Democrat. I didn't think that was possible until recently when a Democrat decided to run against Rep. Giffords in AZ. With the unhappiness that exists in the left wing of the Democrat party over President Obama's inability to get through anything other than the health care industry take over, and that is tenuous at best, I could see a Green Party or other fringe liberal type party really hurting the Democrats this next election cycle.

There's whispering of the wicked witch of Arkansas doing a primary against him...Watch the filling of weiners seat(i know theres a pun in there somewhere) and see which party takes it. That special election is going to be a keystone catalyst for what comes next. If the republican gets it you're gonna see an upheaval within the party like you've never witnessed before as the dems go completely batshit nuts on Barry.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-shot-winning-special-election-house-seat-once-164406199.html


Unless the Repubs can find a candidate who can hold the far-right and take the center, there will be four more years of you-know-who and he will be unfettered of the cares of anymore elections and finally free to enact his policies and leave his mark on America for generations to come.

If we elect a republican that acts like a slightly less crappy democrat we might as well re-elect the real deal and just finish the country off once and for all. The end result will be the same with the only difference being how long we endure the pain inflicted on us to get there. This is last chance as far as i can tell.


Sort of like what Perot did to the first President Bush. All he did was remove votes from Bush, he didn't cause any votes to go to Clinton, but it was enough to affect the race.
Don't forget that was personal between pappy bush and perot too. The hand grenade with a bad haircut had it out for him and had no other real intentions besides costing bush the election. It worked unfortunately.

[ltorlo64]

There's whispering of the wicked witch of Arkansas doing a primary against him...Watch the filling of weiners seat(i know theres a pun in there somewhere) and see which party takes it. That special election is going to be a keystone catalyst for what comes next. If the republican gets it you're gonna see an upheaval within the party like you've never witnessed before as the dems go completely batshit nuts on Barry.

I am not sure a Republican even have to win the seat, though that would be best. If the Republican candidate is withing a few points of the Democrat, making the race one that is watched till the last few votes are counted, this will have a chilling an effect as if he won. This is because the district where this race is in is overwhelmingly Democrat. If the Democrat has a hard time winning that is almost as good as a loss, though the MSM will not report it that way.

[weevil]

If we elect a republican that acts like a slightly less crappy democrat we might as well re-elect the real deal and just finish the country off once and for all. The end result will be the same with the only difference being how long we endure the pain inflicted on us to get there. This is last chance as far as i can tell.




Well you do confirm the point I was trying to make.


The Repubs are not a solid cohesive party united against Obama and the Dems.


You're proof that beating Obama will not be the slam dunk some think it will be.


As I said,


Unless the Repubs can find a candidate who can hold the far-right and take the center, there will be four more years of you-know-who and he will be unfettered of the cares of anymore elections and finally free to enact his policies and leave his mark on America for generations to come.


So other than confirming what I said, what's your point?


Honestly as I see it at this point Obama's a shoe-in for another term as prez.


The right is just too fractionalized and dug in too deep in their positions to come together and unite against Obama.


If a centrist is picked the media will portyray them as just as bad as Obama to drive away the far-right votes, and if a far-right candidate is picked they will portray them as a radical kook to scare off the moderate Repubs.

Divide and conquer.

[stinker]

So other than confirming what I said, what's your point?

This country has been lurching steadily left for a century. If we're gonna put in someone that's democrat lite there is no point in putting him in. If "republicans" want to go in and behave just like democrats then we might as well just let the democrats win. There is no opposition party except the tea party and even some of them are dubious. If we're gonna put in a centrist that will take our good ideas and mix them with the bad ideas from the left then you have only bad ideas. Might as well re-elect the genuine thing and finish the country off once and for all instead of prolonging the pain with a wishy washy RINO that'll just do the same thing slower.

Commence operation insolvency or start fixing the problems by ripping the power out of washington is our choices this time and there's no way around it.

[Warthogg]

Commence operation insolvency .....

Already well under way. The national debt could be paid off today but we would be still be borrowing $.40 of every dollar spent and back in debt again tomorrow.


.......or start fixing the problems by ripping the power out of washington is our choices this time and there's no way around it


The same electorate that gave us Dubya Brush and Barry Obama stands ready to give us the next idiot. Sooooo the electorate will not be doing any ripping.


Wart

[weevil]

This country has been lurching steadily left for a century. If we're gonna put in someone that's democrat lite there is no point in putting him in. If "republicans" want to go in and behave just like democrats then we might as well just let the democrats win. There is no opposition party except the tea party and even some of them are dubious. If we're gonna put in a centrist that will take our good ideas and mix them with the bad ideas from the left then you have only bad ideas. Might as well re-elect the genuine thing and finish the country off once and for all instead of prolonging the pain with a wishy washy RINO that'll just do the same thing slower.

Commence operation insolvency or start fixing the problems by ripping the power out of washington is our choices this time and there's no way around it.



Okay....sounds good on paper but who is this knight in shining-armor who will ride in and unite the right and engerize the moderates and center voters and sweep away the evil left-wing commies who are running this country into the ground???


Yeah you like so many others know the problem but what is your solution?




"Ripping the power out of washington"???


Lovely words and a great idea but how do we accomplish this monumental task???


It would be nice to think that a second term for Obama would "finish the country off once and for all" but it won't at least I don't think the way you mean.





So I'm game tell us your plan for "ripping the power out of washington" and returning it to the people where it rightly belongs.

[weevil]

The same electorate that gave us Dubya Brush and Barry Obama stands ready to give us the next idiot. Sooooo the electorate will not be doing any ripping.


Wart




So you're saying we'd be better off now if Al Gore had been president for 8 years instead of Dubya???

[Sergis Bauer]

This country has been lurching steadily left for a century. If we're gonna put in someone that's democrat lite there is no point in putting him in. If "republicans" want to go in and behave just like democrats then we might as well just let the democrats win. There is no opposition party except the tea party and even some of them are dubious. If we're gonna put in a centrist that will take our good ideas and mix them with the bad ideas from the left then you have only bad ideas. Might as well re-elect the genuine thing and finish the country off once and for all instead of prolonging the pain with a wishy washy RINO that'll just do the same thing slower.

If you honestly mean what you say, and are looking for some American Götterdämmerung if you cant have a far-right president, there are much more effective ways to go about it than allowing a liberal president to get into officed (though most will land you in jail). If you think another 4 years of Barry will topple the high castle, you are sadly deluded... all it will do is make things that much harder to fix when the pendulum swings back. NO candidate will "finish the country off once and for all", we will just have more climbing to do to get out of the hole.

Take McCain, for instance. By your foggy logic, we are better off with Obama in office than an over-moderate "Republican." But if he HAD been elected, do you think the economy would be quite as bad as it is under Barry's smoke and mirrors? And, more importantly, would we be facing the government hijacking of the health care industry?

I do understand your position, but in real life there is a gap, sometimes vast, sometimes (when you're lucky) less so, between political ideals and political expediency. When faced with a choice between something bad and something worse, one would have to be an idiot to choose something worse.

[Massachusetts Minuteman]

The EPA needs to be killed off entirely.
After all, it was the brain child of that notorious Socialist, Richard Nixon.

[Krupski]

The EPA needs to be killed off entirely.

EPA, IRS, DEA, BATFE..... and many more.

[American Rage]

EPA, IRS, DEA, BATFE..... and many more.

along with a couple of NEAs as well, national education association, and national endowment of the arts, PBS and NPR as well.

Others?

Rage

[Massachusetts Minuteman]

Others?

What has the Department of Health and Human Services ever done for me?

[El Jefe]

After all, it was the brain child of that notorious Socialist, Richard Nixon.

What the hell difference does it make who created it?

[Sergis Bauer]

EPA, IRS, DEA, BATFE..... and many more.

But we must NEVER let them take away the PBR!

[American Rage]

But we must NEVER let them take away the PBR!

I agree, Pabst Blue Ribbon is an American tradition?

Rage:wondering:

[Warthogg]

After all, it was the brain child of that notorious Socialist, Richard Nixon.

The 'Dick' also gave us affirmative action.......curing discrimination by discriminating against a new group. And wage and price controls and.......


Wart

[Massachusetts Minuteman]

The 'Dick' also gave us affirmative action.......curing discrimination by discriminating against a new group. And wage and price controls and.......

That fucker. No wonder he resigned.

[Warthogg]

along with a couple of NEAs as well, national education association, and national endowment of the arts, PBS and NPR as well.

Others?

Rage

If we want to turn the country around the entire congress and all their staffers must go. Then the top 20% of each department remaining including the pentagon.

Repeal the 14th amendment.
Pass a guest worker program.
Pass a balanced budget amendment.
Every state should have the opportunity to be a 'Right to Work' state.

With the above actions the country would be good for maybe 100 years. We are smarter today...better informed. Won't take nearly as long to destroy the country the second time.


Wart

[weevil]

If we want to turn the country around the entire congress and all their staffers must go. Then the top 20% of each department remaining including the pentagon.

Repeal the 14th amendment.
Pass a guest worker program.
Pass a balanced budget amendment.
Every state should have the opportunity to be a 'Right to Work' state.

With the above actions the country would be good for maybe 100 years. We are smarter today...better informed. Won't take nearly as long to destroy the country the second time.


Wart



Once again I'm hearing good ideas that just might work.


But once again how do we implement them???



Who is the standard bearer for these ideas that we should support in his bid for prez???

[Warthogg]

Once again I'm hearing good ideas that just might work.


But once again how do we implement them???



Who is the standard bearer for these ideas that we should support in his bid for prez???

No standard bearer at present and only one way to implement.


Wart

[weevil]

No standard bearer at present and only one way to implement.


Wart


Well if you mean armed insurrection I'm not gonna stand on tippy-toes waitting.


But let's say we did all rise up in anger and there was a mutiny in the military, could we really count on the new govt, probably the military, to implement our ideas and restore the Constitution??


Or would we end up going from the frying pan into the fire?


A military dictatorship, commies or fascists seizing power, a reign of terror as the enemies of the new state are eliminated, who knows what might emerge from the chaos.





Be careful what you wish for........you might just get it.

[stinker]

Okay....sounds good on paper but who is this knight in shining-armor who will ride in and unite the right and engerize the moderates and center voters and sweep away the evil left-wing commies who are running this country into the ground???

Yeah you like so many others know the problem but what is your solution?

"Ripping the power out of washington"???

Lovely words and a great idea but how do we accomplish this monumental task???

It would be nice to think that a second term for Obama would "finish the country off once and for all" but it won't at least I don't think the way you mean.

So I'm game tell us your plan for "ripping the power out of washington" and returning it to the people where it rightly belongs.
Colt - Browning 2012 for congress?
Anyone know a company that makes pitchforks AND torches so we can save on shipping charges?
Bring marshmallows.
Seriously though...There are no unicorns. There is no white knight that's gonna ride into town and take it all back in a day. There is'nt going to be one either. The governors could get together and bring this crap to a screeching halt if they had the balls though. One thing we can not afford to do though is put someone in the white house that's a wishy washy moderate. Too many of them allready. That only means that the progressives get more of what they want just not as fast as they want it. The path that we're on has to quickly reverse not just slow down. 2010 showed us how to do it. Primary every single RINO out before they get a chance to get in(or back in) and do more damage. If they're a moderate progressive don't let them anywhere near elected office.


If you honestly mean what you say, and are looking for some American Götterdämmerung if you cant have a far-right president, there are much more effective ways to go about it than allowing a liberal president to get into officed (though most will land you in jail). If you think another 4 years of Barry will topple the high castle, you are sadly deluded... all it will do is make things that much harder to fix when the pendulum swings back. NO candidate will "finish the country off once and for all", we will just have more climbing to do to get out of the hole.
It's just a question of how fast we get there. You can't stop the tyranny coming out of washington just by rearranging which progressives are in charge. The movement has infected both parties. This country is further in debt than any country has ever been in the history of the known universe. If there is not a drastic change we will fall and what comes next will either be a total reversal or total enslavement to the state. This election is for all the cookies in the jar and there is no real difference between a progressive democrat and a progressive republican.

What Is the Tytler Cycle? (http://projectlibertyutah.blogspot.com/2008/08/what-is-tytler-cycle-where-is-united.html)

Our only real choice is to try to short circuit that cycle and the progressives will go violent if we do just like they've allways done. They don't do civility unless they're allways getting their way. We might as well get it over with and provoke them by repealing some of their golden grails while there's still enough of us to stand a chance at survival.

Take McCain, for instance. By your foggy logic, we are better off with Obama in office than an over-moderate "Republican." But if he HAD been elected, do you think the economy would be quite as bad as it is under Barry's smoke and mirrors? And, more importantly, would we be facing the government hijacking of the health care industry?
No. I would've preferred that barry never got elected to anything higher than dog catcher. McCain is a progressive too though. He's the perfect party man. He never met a country he did'nt want to bomb. The spending would've marched on it's merry way like it is now just at a slightly slower pace. End result being the same thing. Obama is doing the exact same things Bush did for 8 years, he's just doing it much faster.

We might not have Bambam care right now but we would've still been on the march towards something just as bad. Remember that Obama was not the first to try implementing it and even if we get rid of it someone will be trying to bring it back as long as washington has it in it's head that it's in charge.

Remember the official republican pledge to "repeal and REPLACE" Obamas plan? So no matter what the compromise is you end up with a nationalized healthcare system but it's just a question of what party gets to take credit and how draconian it is when it's enacted. Either way you have socialized medicine so where did we win with the moderates in charge?

[American Rage]

Stinker makes a lot of sense.

The best thing we can do is gain some seats in Congress, tip the Senate to the Republican side, and get Obama out of office in 2012.

After that, we have to be much more agressive in getting America back on that right track, and that means investigations.

The new president and the majority controlled houses should immediately be pointed into so-called independent media, the legitimacy of interpretism, especially in constitutional law, numerous front groups, and above all else academia and the far left socialist wing of the democratic party.

Rage

[Sergis Bauer]

The best thing we can do is gain some seats in Congress, tip the Senate to the Republican side, and get Obama out of office in 2012.

My only point being that getting Obama out of office may entail some people on the right breaking down and voting for someone who isn't entirely their cup of tea, but who is at least not Mr. Hope.

Choose your battles. Put first things first. Getting Barry to pack his bags will be a first step toward moving things right, but realize that you have to carry the center with you (even if that means walking more slowly) if that move is going to be anything more than a flash in the pan. If America has indeed been moving to the left for the past 20, 30 years, it's because the left-wing powers-that-be have been diligently, patiently working to that end. Trying to reverse that trend with one violent jolt will do more harm than good. The only road to long-term success is to beat them at their own game.

With the season about to start, how about a football analogy? If the other team is winning and has you pinned back at the three yard line, you can try to bomb it down field three times and get it all back at once, but that will likely result in your punting out of your own end zone. Better to put together a drive, take what the defense gives you, and, most importantly, call plays that will result in positive yardage each snap and keep the chains moving.

And, yeah, I know, party politics isn't football. But I hope you get my point.

[stinker]

If America has indeed been moving to the left for the past 20, 30 years,
At least 100 years. The big lurch came with Woodrow Wilson but it really started with Lincoln.
You don't realize just how far away from what we're supposed to be that we've come.

it's because the left-wing powers-that-be have been diligently, patiently working to that end. Trying to reverse that trend with one violent jolt will do more harm than good. The only road to long-term success is to beat them at their own game.
Never try to out democrat a democrat. You lose every single time you try.
They are a patient breed though so you have that spot on.

And, yeah, I know, party politics isn't football. But I hope you get my point.
I usually think Yankees vs Redsox when thinking of republican vs democrat but football works too.
Raiders vs Stealers :)

[weevil]

Seriously though...There are no unicorns. There is no white knight that's gonna ride into town and take it all back in a day. There is'nt going to be one either.


No arguement there.

The Repubs are in the midst of a power struggle and there isn't any clear cut leader who I see as being able to close the rifts in the party.





The governors could get together and bring this crap to a screeching halt if they had the balls though.


Why would they even if they could?


There are 20 Dem guvs and 29 Repubs who we can be sure a fair portion are RINOs and moderates. All of them are heavily invested in their political careers and many probably have hopes of a presidential bid some day.

What incentive do they have to pull the rug out from under the system?






One thing we can not afford to do though is put someone in the white house that's a wishy washy moderate. Too many of them allready.


Okay that's fine but explain about why it's preferable to have a full-blown far-left-wing commie rat bastard as president and in his second term to boot.

At least a wishy-washy Rino turd would be in his first term and hopefully have some concerns about being re-elected to a second term.


The only reason Obama has held back played the moderate and done things like halt this EPA reg is to get votes in the coming elections.


If he's re-elected he no longer has to concern himself with the whims of the voters like a first term prez would.





That only means that the progressives get more of what they want just not as fast as they want it. The path that we're on has to quickly reverse not just slow down.


Okay but how is Obama winning going to stop this.

And don't gimme that ol' things'll be so bad that everybody will have had enough, cause I heard that same thing in '08 and guess what, it never happened. Instead we've had Obama pass his Health Care bill, a huge wasteful stimulus that hasn't stimulated a damn thing, and generally run this country so far into the ground that it's gonna take a geologist to find it, and now we're staring a second term for this guy straight in the face.


Obama needs to go and now!






2010 showed us how to do it. Primary every single RINO out before they get a chance to get in(or back in) and do more damage. If they're a moderate progressive don't let them anywhere near elected office.


Nice thought and if we held huge majorities of voters across the country it might just work.

But unfortunately we don't and the TEA Party candidates fell on their asses here in Colorado in '10 and now we have a liberal Dem as Gov and another left-wing senator to book-end the one we already had.


We need to stop Obama now and not just concede this coming election and take our ball home just because we didn't get our way.


Letting the pendulm swing even farther to left and gain even more momentum for the Dems will not "quickly reverse" us from the path we're on.


Will electing some stinking RINO turd?


Probably not


But I still don't see how it's gonna be any worse than what four more years of Obama appointing federal judges and picking new members for the SCOTUS and sitting his traitorous ass in the White House for a second term will be.




I want him gone and really don't care what it takes to do it.

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The Repubs are in the midst of a power struggle and there isn't any clear cut leader who I see as being able to close the rifts in the party.
That's what the primaries are all about. It aint over yet.

Why would they even if they could

There are 20 Dem guvs and 29 Repubs who we can be sure a fair portion are RINOs and moderates. All of them are heavily invested in their political careers and many probably have hopes of a presidential bid some day.

What incentive do they have to pull the rug out from under the system??
Yeah...That's another part of the problem. They could but the states have gotten addicted to the federal money just like the welfare parasites too. Legislatures have gotten real cozy with being able to pass the buck and shrug off criticism by blaming it on federal mandates. That needs to stop.

I'm not saying ignore those elections. Quite the contrary since the states could bring this madness to a screeching halt reguardless if washinton likes it or not. In that regard the state level elections are actually more important in the long term.


Okay that's fine but explain about why it's preferable to have a full-blown far-left-wing commie rat bastard as president and in his second term to boot.

At least a wishy-washy Rino turd would be in his first term and hopefully have some concerns about being re-elected to a second term.

The only reason Obama has held back played the moderate and done things like halt this EPA reg is to get votes in the coming elections.

If he's re-elected he no longer has to concern himself with the whims of the voters like a first term prez would.

We end up in the same place with the moderate just not as quickly.
Better to try to change the destination.


Okay but how is Obama winning going to stop this.
It won't. That's the point. Not my preference but the point.


And don't gimme that ol' things'll be so bad that everybody will have had enough, cause I heard that same thing in '08 and guess what, it never happened.
Actually that was'nt my thinking. I've heard that before from people many times too. A few years ago i said and still do say the same thing about that. It's idiotic. But sadly there is a small shred of truth that you have to grant to the people that said that. Barry bitchslapped a lot of people in the face with reality and woke them up so unfortunately you have to admit they were at least partly right. Lotta johnny come lately street politicians that just started paying attention out there that i'm running into.

I'm not saying put him in to teach them a lesson so they'll vote right the next time, there won't be a next time if we put him in again, i'm saying fix it right or stop screwing around with the RINO's and put him back in office so he can burn the country to the ground until there's nothing left but ashes and the tears that will fall on them. Who knows, maybe that will actually teach some of the dumbshits why communism is bad for them.

What i'm saying is...If we can't stop it now i don't think we'll ever stop it. We are on a path to a civil war between the two factions of america. The right and the left. Freedom and communism can not coexist. The communists will not ever stop until there is no voice left to oppose them. They're exactly the same as the muslim caliphate in that regard. You can't negotiate with them.

This country really does need to be split in two with free trade and mutual defense being the ONLY mutual interest caveats. Commies on one side, patriots on the other. They run their states the way they want to we run our states the way we want to and we don't tax or regulate each other in any way. I doubt they'll last long though before mass starvation begins.

Sooner or later the left is going to go Bolshevik anyways. They allways do. They're allready threatening it publicly. If politicians are elected to "oppose" them by pandering to them then the end is inevitable and the outcome allready decided. The march to complete communism continues with the only difference being how long it takes to get there.

If we're going to continue the march to communism slowly then the pain will keep dragging out until the rest of the world has finally decided it's had enough and they want their money back now. If we don't reverse course this can be an internal fight amongst ourselves or a fight with the rest of the world within our borders when they start deciding which states will serve as fair compensation for the money we took from them. Sooner or later the international sharks will smell blood in the water and if we've weakened ourself enough by playing games with leftists we're screwed. Nations come and nations go. We're no different.

Putting barry back in office would accellerate that happening and we can get on to the business of burning this country to the ground and see who the last man standing is or we can screw around with a RINO that'll be Barry lite and wait until the rest of the world decides to burn us to the ground as a courtesy.

And no our military is not good enough to take on the entire planet all at once assuming they just did'nt nuke us outright and be done with it. We would lose. This is not something that i want, but unfortunately it's something that's going to happen reguardless of what i think. There's far more hanging on this election than most people realize. It can be stopped but it's not going to be easy or painless no matter what happens.


Obama needs to go and now!
I could live with that.


But unfortunately we don't and the TEA Party candidates fell on their asses here in Colorado in '10 and now we have a liberal Dem as Gov and another left-wing senator to book-end the one we already had.
Some people are quite cozy with their socialism. That's why i'm willing to talk secession. Not just to get my state out of this shitty deal with the federal government, but to be able to get the commie loving states out of my federal government as well. That works both ways. New York and PRK can go on their merry way for all i care. We'll still trade with them if they have something worth buying at a price that does'nt suck. Happy to sell them stuff if they have cash that's still worth more than the paper it's printed on.
No credit allowed.


We need to stop Obama now and not just concede this coming election and take our ball home just because we didn't get our way.
Concede never left my lips. There's a big difference between that and what i'm saying. Concession = surrender.


Letting the pendulm swing even farther to left and gain even more momentum for the Dems will not "quickly reverse" us from the path we're on.
But it will start the mother of all national BBQ's.


But I still don't see how it's gonna be any worse than what four more years of Obama appointing federal judges and picking new members for the SCOTUS and sitting his traitorous ass in the White House for a second term will be.
Redundant to answer that at this point.